OK, you're 19 so let's go easy and assume you're still developing a sense of yourself and understanding for what motivates others. I note from a previous forum post that up to at least May this year you were still a virgin (which is fine) but even if that has changed in the months since it still indicates a naivety to sexual relations and expectations. I also see you work as a mechanic, which I'm sure is a hotbed of sage advice on how to be a gentleman to young women. let's replace the word bitch with "confident independent woman" and see how your points hold up.

I'm not going to defend lifeafterdeath's use of "bitch", but since "a confident independent woman" is not synonymous with a woman who will routinely do many of the acts that he objected to, let's replace "confident independent woman" with "undesirable partner" and see if it holds up.

lifeafterdeath implied:
An undesirable partner will flirt with any guy as long as he has money, a car and a dick.
An undesirable partner will wear extra skimpy clothes to the supermarket.
An undesirable partner will lose interest in your views and everything you stand for 10 seconds after you open your mouth.
An undesirable partner will never call you, but demands that you call her.
If she has too many men as her friends. That's an undesirable partner.
If she drinks with all of her guy friends while fully knowing that she is the only female there and she's going to stay because she's getting free taquila shots, one after the other........ an undesirable partner.
If she has children and leaves them at home with the baby daddy to go out and have fun with her girlfriends all night long, every Friday. That's an undesirable partner.
If she lost her virginity at the age of XX and had multiple (20+) sexual partners till you met her, that's an undesirable partner.

Okay, except for what I've placed in bold , I can probably agree with that. Wearing skimpy clothes in public is attention seeking behavior and if women (or men) were excluded from being partners for that, there wouldn't be many left to choose from. And as to many male friends and multiple past partners, who cares? Those might be signs of immaturity, but they aren't necessarily. But let's continue.

lifeafterdeath implied:
Now that we have identified an undesirable partner, we must now learn to avoid the undesirable partner, and for that you'd have to BURROW TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH, OR MOVE TO THE MOON and even then you'll run into the motherfuckers.
As soon as you land on the moon an undesirable partner will run up to you and ask for a ride home, 20,000 light years away.
Undesirable partners are everywhere, you cannot escape them .

Can't argue with most of that. Would love to visit the Moon. You can escape parasites if you can learn to identify them. So let's continue on to the advice section.

lifeafterdeath advised:
But there are things you can do to minimize your encounters with them.
1) Do not look for a potential date in a bar.

That might be good advice in general.

2) Do not tell them how much money you make. In fact, dont tell them what you do for a living. Make them guess and keep laughing, but never actually tell them. Keep making them guess, even if they're right.

This is unnecessary if you've learned how to separate the parasites from those who just want a stable partner. You can't blame a partner for wanting you to be as financially stable as they are.

3) Do not wear your cover-alls outside of the jobsite. Apparently, to undesirable partners, coveralls=money.

Still unnecessary.

4) Do not call them after the 2nd date (if you reach that far) An undesirable partner will never call. A lady will be concerned.

It might be good to establish some parity and some trust. I'm not sure if this is a good way to do it. Honest conversation would be more... well, honest.

5) Always go to simple places for dates. And try to keep away from those cliche bullshit movie scenes like going to the movies, or going to a park or something. Make the shit memorable. If she insists that she wants lobster for dinner, drive her to the restaurant. When she gets out of the car, drive away. It's that simple.

Good advice about simple places for early dates, but I like lobster. If she's a parasite, that should be obvious before going to a place that serves lobster.

6) In the unfortunate event that you do accidentally hit on an undesirable partner or if you just want a good one night stand, act like a fucking pimp. Treat them like garbage and buy them a vodka cranberry or something.

I'm not sure if I could do a good pimp act.

So to sum it up, lifeafterdeath laid out criteria for selecting a potential partner, pointed out how difficult it is to find one, and gave some mediocre advice about how to avoid the wrong ones and how to mess with them if you feel like it. Some people object to the use of the word "bitch", but they probably have similar words for guys who are undesirable partners, especially if they're in the age range where they're still encountering more chaff than wheat.

So back to the original poor guy who gave up on women. Maybe he was a "nice guy" who got involved with women who wanted a "bad boy". That could lead to the problems mentioned, due to unrealistic expectations on both sides of the relationships. And now he's been damaged and become intolerant. He might be salvageable by someone with the skills, but he might not be worth the effort. Many people won't put forth the effort to overcome trust issues, but trust is not something that members of either gender are entitled to. It can be earned, and the rewards of earning it can be worthwhile, but a thirty-six year old guy might need to wait until there are more women with lower standards in the dating scene before he'll find someone willing to make the effort. In the meantime, he might be doing what's best for him.

Not all American women, just the liberals. It's a fad that started when they took up the chant, "No more Bush".

I've met some older men who've "sworn off women" but what they really mean is they won't try to have a committed relationship. They'll either "rent" or find women who aren't looking for a commitment or they'll drink. For a guy in his thirties to have given up, I'm guessing the past breakups were really bad. Some guys just have a very low tolerance for what it means to be in a relationship and others just give up because the set of women who can tolerate them doesn't intersect with the set of women they find attractive.

I find it sad that you are unable to see beyond your own petty needs. It is just this type of short sighted self interest that dictatorship counts on.
You are correct for once though. I do have difficulty with the stench, and I would rather do what is right than was is wrong. Doing otherwise for personal gain is nothing more than selling out. You can rationalize all you want, but you still have no moral compass.

Your belief that voting my "own petty needs" (or yours for that matter) or for "personal gain" is inconsistent with a moral compass indicates a belief in self-sacrifice for "the common good", making you a collectivist, although many of them vote for their petty needs and their personal gain via the might makes right morality. My moral code is to live and let live and that allows voting in self-defense for a more libertarian government, not through a Libertarian party that has no chance of combating authoritarian centralization, but through actually voting directly against the party that advocates for the most centralization. To imply that I'm the one who's being selfish and not doing what is right when my best interest actually corresponds with the best chance of maintaining a viable society over the long run is playing into the hands of the more tyrannical party.

I go back and say there is no difference. Both parties waste, both parties pander and both parties lie. Those are the provable facts. Pick up a paper and the details are there, issue after issue.

Both parties waste, because that's how candidates get reelected. The voters have to fix that.

Both parties pander, because that's how they build a base and then attract the gullible. The Dems pander to those who want what others have without going to the trouble of earning it. Entitlement minded Dem voters want a cradle to grave nanny without the behavioral rules that a good nanny would impose, but one who would impose behavioral rules on others. They want to dictate a command economy.

The Republicans pander to those who want their moral code to become the legal code and to those who want to push power back to the states, where competition between states will drive the evolution of public policy and where they can try to keep the federal government from forcing them to support people they aren't morally obligated to support.

People within both parties lie, but when a party has enough power, it must attempt to give a "win" to its base. Wins that destroy what is crucial to the society, investor confidence and productivity are more dangerous than wins that impose or defeat the social rules that both parties are fond of trying to impose on each other. Investor confidence and productivity are damaged by pandering to the entitlement minded. Perhaps in your individual case, that's good for you, so it would make sense to oppose Republicans as effectively as you can. But if that's not the case, if you actually benefit from a good economy, opposing Democrats and shifting entitlements into the realm of state governments where their effects have less impact on the national economy, makes sense. It is a win for liberty and a win for the economy.

Now, go ahead and put the needle back on the record so we can hear again how one must suck just a little less than another. We are just dying to hear it again.

I don't believe it's a little less. I believe it's a lot less. But for you, maybe you have a business that benefits from sales to the entitlement minded. I could see why you might not want to upset your apple cart. Or maybe you just have difficulty with the idea of holding your nose and voting for the party whose social rules you don't like. I've just ignored their rules whenever I didn't like them.

1ball wrote: It's easy to escape moral controls. People do that all the time.

1ball wrote: It's easy to escape moral controls. People do that all the time.

Only immoral people.

People who reject the morality others are trying to impose on them. A legal code is imposed. A moral code must be voluntarily accepted.

1ball wrote: But escaping economic controls requires more money than most people have. How do you get a job that's been exported overseas because the cost of doing business here is too high?

If you don't like it where you are, isn't it your responsibility to move somewhere more to your liking?

It's not a matter of responsibility to leave. The poorer people in our society hurt themselves by doing what drives jobs away, because they aren't welcome in the places the jobs move to. Immigration laws keep them out.

1ball wrote: How do you recover property value that decreases due to excessive taxation?

Is it the government's responsibility to look after your property values and make sure they stay within limits that you define?

If the federal government causes property values to drop, state property tax revenues are hurt. If the state tries to keep the revenues up anyway, that hurts property values even more. Eventually the state loses population. It's already happened to union shop states like Michigan.

Buying property is a risk, just like any other durable good. Sometimes they increase in value, sometimes they tank. Either way, it's none of the government's business.

Naive. Property values are a reflection of confidence in the stability of the society. If confidence in the stability of the society isn't important to the government, then the society won't attract investment.

The government's business is: "to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..." and that's it.

And it does that by causing wealth to evaporate?

1ball wrote: How do you save for your future when the government takes your money and gives it to somebody else?

Don't like it?

I got around it. I haven't paid any FICA in more than a decade. I haven't paid any income tax in a while either. There's no doubt that the boomer generation has totally screwed the younger generations. People in their twenties now will be working until they die.

Support candidates whose core values you believe in.

You believe you can actually tell the core values of the candidates? They say and do what they think will get them elected. If being elected is the only core value they have, you pretty much have to pay attention only to their party platform. Opposing the party you most don't want in power by enlisting the aid of others who oppose it is strategic.

If there's no political party that has the same beliefs that you do, then start one.

Naive.

But refrain from the impossibly stupid act of telling people...

Is it an achievement or a state of mind?

Do you think its possible to achieve your goals in life and still feel unsuccessful and on the other hand, not getting where you wanted to but still be content? How do you measure your own success?

It can be either. There's a saying, "You can't argue with success", which, in reference to an achievement is generally true. But successfully completing a goal might not be as satisfying as you expected and that satisfaction was a secondary goal. And satisfaction can be a state of mind. There's also the possibility that you can fail to achieve a goal but still achieve satisfaction and maybe even learn a valuable lesson. Both of those can make a failed attempt a success. I measure my own success by whether I'm able to have long periods of Inner Peace. It sometimes takes planning and achievement of goals to set up the situations required to have those long periods.

I agree that govt. controls too many aspects of our lives they have no business in, but one party wants to control morality more then the other and will say or do anything to regain office to achieve their agenda

It's easy to escape moral controls. People do that all the time. But escaping economic controls requires more money than most people have. How do you get a job that's been exported overseas because the cost of doing business here is too high? How do you recover property value that decreases due to excessive taxation? How do you save for your future when the government takes your money and gives it to somebody else?

What issues are most important to me? Okay, as 1ball has asked the same question, here is the short answer. I want the government to stop trying to control our lives.

Then you should very much want a weak central government with strong protections for individual rights. It will protect us from overreaching state governments while they will compete with each other for us. Strong central governments with weak protections for individual rights inevitably overcontrol, especially when they are democratically elected, because people vote for controls on the other guy without realizing what the consequences will be.

That's my biggest concern. It doesn't matter if you are talking about gay marriage and abortion, or gun control and freedom of religion, (as opposed to freedom FROM religion as the courts see it)

How about economic control? That's what really distinguishes good government from bad. When your property rights become meaningless due to government controls, when the government can decide that you are making too much and must "share and share alike", and when the government prints fiat money to solve its problems and devalues the entire society as a result, none of those other issues matter, because such a government has the power to make anything illegal.

However you cut it, We the People are being treated like We the children.

That's because we don't consistently vote against centralization of economic control.

I don't affiliate with a party because they both violate our rights equally, and if one is willing to let someone else's one shot at life be lessened and controlled, then how can one expect others to stand up for them?

It would be virtually impossible for both of them to violate our rights equally. One of them will always be more economically controlling and that one will be the greater threat in the long run. Limiting economic options is control.

Y'all can pretend I'm a Republican all you want, but I'm hoping to live to see the day when I can vote for Democrats because they've kicked the authoritarians out of the party. I have voted for Libertarians and other third party candidates when there was no possibility of my state swinging. Minarchists and other forms of libertarians are against much of what the Republican party does to attract votes and would gladly jump ship if the Dems offered a better alternative. But as long as a vote for Republicans is the most effective way to vote against centralization of authority, that's the safer government to have. Without economic options, you're on a plantation. 50 different states with meaningful differences between them is our best bet for avoiding a nationwide plantation.

Ah, thank you. Like a game without end, this thread will meander like the Nile, washing away facts under the righteous ferocity of absolutism. Oddly, as an outsider to the major parties, I have no vested interest, and at times crossover when the need arises. Sadly, the fans in the stadium seats, with slogan banners fluttering in the breeze, continue voting for anyone with their parties letter behind their name. This is exactly the reason I do not often delve into the political arena.

If you just aren't capable of judging between two realistically possible alternatives, believing you are nobly holding yourself above the fray is just self-aggrandizing to cover up that deficiency. Granted, a vote is all but useless, except in swing states, but if you're in one, you can actually prevent the greater of two evils. All you need is the ability to decide what's in your best interest.

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