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Posted: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 2:59:03 AM

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Day after day, I see their numbers dwindle before my eyes... how sad, that in maybe a decade there won't be any left... and what will the world do then? We humans depend on them for our very survival! I suppose someone will try to replace their living, breathing bodies with some cold, artificial product of science...

I'm talking about heterosexual women, of course. They're becoming more rare than an electrical event in Sarah Palin's brain. Seriously, what the fuck's going on here? I know I'm not the only guy who has nightmares about waking up to a world where the only date we're ever going to have again on a Friday night will be with Lefty or Righty...

What I really want to know is, does anyone have a theory as to why this is happening? I'm sure Hollywood and the rest of the corrupt media conglomerates have something to do with it, but I'm not sure what or how big of a part they play. Any ideas??
saturdaynight
Posted: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 5:25:35 AM

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stormblue wrote:

I'm talking about heterosexual women, of course. They're becoming more rare than an electrical event in Sarah Palin's brain. Seriously, what the fuck's going on here? I know I'm not the only guy who has nightmares about waking up to a world where the only date we're ever going to have again on a Friday night will be with Lefty or Righty...



heterosexual women? What about the dwindling existence of heterosexual men? With the new generation of men called "metrosexual", the number of them continues to decrease. I hope this won't offend anyone but we've (me and a bunch of friends IRL) decided that metrosexual men actually mean this:

they only need to travel a meter more before they're considered gay

Don't get me wrong though, I have a lot of gay friends.

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Dancing_Doll
Posted: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 7:57:48 AM

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saturdaynight wrote:
hope this won't offend anyone but we've (me and a bunch of friends IRL) decided that metrosexual men actually mean this:

they only need to travel a meter more before they're considered gay

Don't get me wrong though, I have a lot of gay friends.


You'd have to clarify the degree of metrosexual that you're talking about. If you mean a guy that cares about his looks enough to groom and dress well then it's more a product of where he lives (probably an urban city), and what society is trending as being 'cool'.
Almost every guy in hollywood would be considered metrosexual... from Johnny Depp to Justin Timberlake to Brad Pitt.
Are they all in danger of being gay?

Personally I find the "au naturel", ungroomed, hairy-chested, workboots and t-shirt guys to be blechh... It's all personal preference. But I certainly don't think that caring about your image or how you look means that you are trending towards being gay.

As for the original question about hetero women by Stormblue... yeah, I think 'bisexuality' is very 'trendy' right now for women (especially the younger generation). The media machine supports it, Katy Perry legitimized it, and the fact that girls think it will make them hotter or sexier because guys seem to love them a good girly show when they can get it means that women are willing to be more experimental. Plus society has become so sexually-fuelled that people are pushing the limits of their sexuality and becoming more adventurous overall... just look at how the porn industry has changed and what is 'hot' now versus 30 years ago.


WorkAlone
Posted: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:42:52 AM

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It is true that women seem to be much more open to experimentation and expression of their sexuality than ever before. As Doll pointed out, media is actually very encouraging of female bisexuality, from public mass media to porn. It seems to be considered very "normal". My take on it is that it's a form of 'safe' sexuality for a lot of heterosexual(ish) women. They can play with another human being with the stakes being low since they're not romantically involved with the other woman. There's also a fairly public perception that all men are pigs, users, abusers, etc. and so it makes sense that other women would similarly be 'safe' from that perspective. The fact that bisexual experience is 'racy' and likely to be consiered sexy by men is just further encouragement.

OK, now the fun part. This is the think tank so let's pull out some thinking. Statistics show that female sexuality is much more fluid than male sexuality. Men are essentially only turned on by images and stories that align with their orientation and this orientation is fairly stable over their lives (but, I must point out not necessarily completely stable, lest I get flamed into a penguin-kabob). Studies show that women can be measurably aroused by just about any "sexual" images--MM, FF, monkeys, rabbits, rocks piled in suggestive ways, whatever. Long-term studies have further shown that women can and do change their identified orientation fluidly, with many self-identified 'lesbians' getting married and having children with men, or at least moving in that direction at some point. This is not to say that lesbians don't exist, far from it, but the studies suggest that women tend to be in relationships with people rather than specific genders with orientation expressing preference rather than being a defining characteristic.

OK, so what am I trying to say? Well, I'm saying that women are heteroflexible in ways men aren't and that 'fashion' trends, comfort, and just curiosity can cause many women to want to identify as 'bisexual' or even 'lesbian' for at least part of their lives, particularly when young. The studies show that it's extremely rare for these women to maintain this gender identity, and that almost all will consider themselves bi or even exclusively heterosexual as they mature. So no, heterosexual women aren't an endangered species, we just need to be a little bit more patient for them to arrive.

(bracing for a thorough flaming for citing contentious studies)
saturdaynight
Posted: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:54:11 AM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
saturdaynight wrote:
hope this won't offend anyone but we've (me and a bunch of friends IRL) decided that metrosexual men actually mean this:

they only need to travel a meter more before they're considered gay

Don't get me wrong though, I have a lot of gay friends.


You'd have to clarify the degree of metrosexual that you're talking about. If you mean a guy that cares about his looks enough to groom and dress well then it's more a product of where he lives (probably an urban city), and what society is trending as being 'cool'.
Almost every guy in hollywood would be considered metrosexual... from Johnny Depp to Justin Timberlake to Brad Pitt.
Are they all in danger of being gay?



That's true. I guess I was referring to those guys whose "man" bag is bigger than your average vanity bag.

I guess this generation is into a lot of experimentation. The whole discover yourself, sexuality etc that sometimes leaves people more confused to who and what they really are.

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sprite
Posted: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 9:42:28 AM

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i think that, at least from my observations, that the average woman is less hung up about being labled as 'not 100% straight' than the average guy and so is more open to letting the borders be a little fuzzy or more open about experimentation - yes, i believe that a lot of it has to do with being part of a culture that things girl on girl action is hot and guy on guy action is kind of icky (which is sad, cause honestly, guy on guy action it totally hot, imo!) and also, i think it has to do with women being a little more open with each other then guys are - i mean, if we hold hands or hug or kiss it's socially acceptable, while not so much wht men and that makes us feel a little more comfortable about taking the next step, i'd guess. not sure if this adds anything to the discussion, but i think it reinforces it a bit.

also, sadly, a lot of men sort of give us a shove in that direction - if i'm in a room full of girls and guys, and the guys seem dead set about making me feel uncomfortable, damn right i'm going to be walking out the door with a pretty girl who makes me feel comfy. sorry guys, and trust me, this isn't aimed at all of you, but the ones who can't seem to get it through their head that they should try to treat us girls like people instead of pieces of meat are the ones causing a lot of your woes.

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latinfoxy
Posted: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:01:59 PM

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I dont think we are and endangered species, i have a lot more gay guy friends than lesbian friends and my rank of close friends goes from 25 to 35 years old so i dont think is a generation thing either. For my experience even though i found woman body to be beautilfull and in some ocassions worth of admiration i dont found myself thinking of woman in a sexual way, or at least almost never.

i have to agree with WMM i think sometimes the way you put your thoughts can be raicy, i have been here for a little while and have found that this community is very welcomed to everything, but no one likes raicism weather is sexual or any other way and comments like frutier, poofter and deviation, could be concider as that.
WorkAlone
Posted: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:54:51 PM

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All of this reminds me of a series of lines from the TV show "Mad About You". Jaimie (the wife) asks Paul (Paul Reiser) why guys love girl-girl porn. His response "Frankly, its because I agree with both of them"

But, there's some truth to that. Women are beautiful and yes, I do mean just about every single woman on Earth (note: WA is what's called "h-e-t-e-r-o-s-e-x-u-a-l" laughing6 ). I know opinions vary, but I think it's pretty certain that the median for women of all ages is well skewed towards "attractive". Men, well, we're not quite so blessed. If I look objectively at my fellow externally-plumbed humans, most of us cluster around "plain" and, at least at my age, most are closer to "tolerable" or worse. Frankly, it's no surprise women play with other women, given the choice, women are who I want to play with too. lol.
saturdaynight
Posted: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:39:26 PM

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WorkAlone wrote:
All of this reminds me of a series of lines from the TV show "Mad About You". Jaimie (the wife) asks Paul (Paul Reiser) why guys love girl-girl porn. His response "Frankly, its because I agree with both of them"

But, there's some truth to that. Women are beautiful and yes, I do mean just about every single woman on Earth (note: WA is what's called "h-e-t-e-r-o-s-e-x-u-a-l" laughing6 ). I know opinions vary, but I think it's pretty certain that the median for women of all ages is well skewed towards "attractive". Men, well, we're not quite so blessed. If I look objectively at my fellow externally-plumbed humans, most of us cluster around "plain" and, at least at my age, most are closer to "tolerable" or worse. Frankly, it's no surprise women play with other women, given the choice, women are who I want to play with too. lol.


LOL to that

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WorkAlone
Posted: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:09:19 AM

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Yup, the freaks have run amok on Lush. We're all bisexual, masturbate constantly at work, love anal, and just about every other legal (and many illegal) sexual activites known to mankind. We're all scary and non-vanilla and you should be afraid.....very very afraid of us all lest you catch what we have. laughing6

Come, join us on the dark side....

First drink is on us.

Oh, it's ok--that drink's nothing too strange. You'll see. Trust us. Tastes kinda like salted milk with a dash of pool water.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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WorkAlone
Posted: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:10:45 AM

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On a wildly off-topic note, I give you full marks for quoting Northern Exposure. I love that show and think it's some of the best TV ever aired.

Cheers!
standingbear
Posted: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:03:15 PM

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In the Kinsey studies 11.6% of males and 3% of females were exclusively homosexual. The studies were published in 1948 and 1953, but it's doubtful if these statistics have changed significantly, at least from a purely biological standpoint. Women are certainly freer to express their sexuality now than in the 1950's, but it's doubtful that the percentage of women who are exclusively lesbian has risen due to biology, human evolution doesn't work that fast. The cause has to be cultural rather than biological. Men and women who are exclusively homosexual tend to stay homosexual, and persons who are exclusively heterosexual tend to remain heterosexual, but most people are neither. At some time in our lives most of us have homosexual fantasies and engage in activities that are considered homosexual. Some people are just very sexual. Some men, like Julius Caesar, are every woman's husband and every man's wife. The same is true of some women.

It is likely that the rates of homosexuality were lower in studies done in the past because of the harsher treatments of gays and lesbians. Even now there are large segments of the society who do not accept the LGBT community, especially among fundamentalist religious groups. We are a more sexually open society than we were when Kinsey did his sex studies. People are less embarrassed about being upfront about their sexual orientation and more open to experimentation. Women are becoming more liberated sexually and more likely to experiment. This doesn't mean that more women are becoming lesbian though. Sexual orientation isn't just homosexual and heterosexual, it's a whole lot of in-between.

Dr. Fritz Klein devised a scale of sexuality that allows a more detailed method of determining a person's sexuality. There is a test of sorts on line if you'd like to see where you fall along the sexuality grid. http://kleingridonline.com/



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WellMadeMale
Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012 4:42:40 AM

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standingbear wrote:
In the Kinsey studies 11.6% of males and 3% of females were exclusively homosexual. The studies were published in 1948 and 1953, but it's doubtful if these statistics have changed significantly, at least from a purely biological standpoint.

It is likely that the rates of homosexuality were lower in studies done in the past because of the harsher treatments of gays and lesbians. Even now there are large segments of the society who do not accept the LGBT community, especially among fundamentalist religious groups. We are a more sexually open society than we were when Kinsey did his sex studies. People are less embarrassed about being upfront about their sexual orientation and more open to experimentation. Women are becoming more liberated sexually and more likely to experiment. This doesn't mean that more women are becoming lesbian though.

Sexual orientation isn't just homosexual and heterosexual, it's a whole lot of in-between.





I've always enjoyed the commentary from Dan Savage. His sarcasm is top-shelf, he's always been fair minded and over the years...he has become quite noble and sage.

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Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:42:48 AM

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sprite wrote:
i think that, at least from my observations, that the average woman is less hung up about being labled as 'not 100% straight' than the average guy and so is more open to letting the borders be a little fuzzy or more open about experimentation - yes, i believe that a lot of it has to do with being part of a culture that things girl on girl action is hot and guy on guy action is kind of icky (which is sad, cause honestly, guy on guy action it totally hot, imo!) and also, i think it has to do with women being a little more open with each other then guys are - i mean, if we hold hands or hug or kiss it's socially acceptable, while not so much wht men and that makes us feel a little more comfortable about taking the next step, i'd guess. not sure if this adds anything to the discussion, but i think it reinforces it a bit.

also, sadly, a lot of men sort of give us a shove in that direction - if i'm in a room full of girls and guys, and the guys seem dead set about making me feel uncomfortable, damn right i'm going to be walking out the door with a pretty girl who makes me feel comfy. sorry guys, and trust me, this isn't aimed at all of you, but the ones who can't seem to get it through their head that they should try to treat us girls like people instead of pieces of meat are the ones causing a lot of your woes.


I so totally agree with Sprite, her last paragraph says it all.
Lunna
Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:14:48 PM

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Speaking as probably the youngest voice in this forum, I can saywith me I first identified as "bi-curious" because it's popular. Teen guys get this almost glazed look if you tell them that. I wanted to be liked and sexually desired, and like most girls my age, I rarely see my own looks as enough to pull that off. So I "became" bi. It wasn't so much an attraction to girls, as an attempt to atract more guys. And curiosity :) Now that I have started to learn a bit more, about sex and sensuality and myself, I am learning that I did just say I was bi for male attention. However I am also finding myself somewhat attracted to girls, so maybe I was right, subconciously. :)

I think my point is this. My generation has had sexual jokes and comments around us pretty much our whole lives from media and stuff. It's considered cool and popular to be very sexually active, and for us girls, being into other girsl helps that along well. Being open about your habits and preferances is now a "good" thing, not a major *gasp* taboo thing. Also, I agree that us girls are more flexible in our sexuality, and open to experimentaion. All of this makes it a lot easier for my generation to have all sorts of labels without really meaning it. Guys are getting to be more open too, maybot as much, but still. Guys my age I talk to are pretty much either homophobic and for the most part straight vanilla, or totally open to experiment with sex, no matter the gender. (obviously this is a generalization, no chasing with pitchforks please) Girls just find middle ground to be more ok than guys. :)
Ruthie
Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:44:23 PM

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Guest wrote:
Day after day, I see their numbers dwindle before my eyes... how sad, that in maybe a decade there won't be any left... and what will the world do then? We humans depend on them for our very survival! I suppose someone will try to replace their living, breathing bodies with some cold, artificial product of science...

I'm talking about heterosexual women, of course. They're becoming more rare than an electrical event in Sarah Palin's brain. Seriously, what the fuck's going on here? I know I'm not the only guy who has nightmares about waking up to a world where the only date we're ever going to have again on a Friday night will be with Lefty or Righty...

What I really want to know is, does anyone have a theory as to why this is happening? I'm sure Hollywood and the rest of the corrupt media conglomerates have something to do with it, but I'm not sure what or how big of a part they play. Any ideas??


Bullshit. There are plenty of women who like men, me included. They probably just don't like you.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:38:13 PM

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I know this is totally off the beaten path but I just recently read an article on yahoo in reference to Bigfoot. Apparently DNA was found to prove that he does exist and he has mated with the female species of our sex. In the article though an expert was asked if Bigfoot exists and he said No. The interviewee told the expert that if he was out in the wilderness and saw Bigfoot he would shoot him. The expert replied, "You cannot shoot Bigfoot because he is an endangered species." So you all answer me this, How can you shoot something that apparently doesn't exist?
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