It states in the survey;



in other words they have not made a definite conclusion that video games really do cause aggressive behaviour amongst kids. They saw evidence of it, but one study of one group of kids is far from enough to be able to make the connection. Secondly; how do we know that kids that are aggressive aren't more prone to choosing violent video games? A happy relaxed girl will go play Mario while an angry boy will go play Call Of Duty. Add to the fact that such a study wouldn't be needed if parents actually gave a damn about what their kids do. Next time you're in a shop that sells games or you're near one, go check out a couple of the games in the shelf. Check how long it takes you to see the markings that says what the game contains of violence, language etc AND the recommended minimum age for playing it is. Doubt it will take you too long.

And it's ludicrous to see the arguments being thrown around that you need the guns to defend yourself from the government. Bullocks. You make yourself sound like a conspiracy nut when you say that the government is coming after you. "They're gonna take my guns, then they're gonna take my car, then they're gonna take my voting right!". If that was the corrolation then Europe would be full of dictatorships.

gr8guy2; you are soooo off the mark when you say "Don't call the police if you don't like the 2nd ammendment". The police, or the law enforcement, use guns to do their job; law enforcement, NOT because all of them are really great fans of the 2nd ammendment. It's not the 2nd ammendment that gives them the right to carry weapons. You arguments are so weak they make me firmer in my belief that gun control is the right thing.

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There's a soldier in all of us.



'bout time for me to log off Lush and get into a real firefight with some peeps around the world with BB3.
I'm a sniping machine

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The best thing you can do for your fellow,
next to rousing his conscience, is - not to give him things
to think about, but to wake things up that are in him...
to make him think things for himself - George MacDonald

Eite you may not need it in Norway and I dont think I need one to defend against the government that is ludacris But this country has reverted to shoot first anask questions later by the WRONG type of people and it has been and should always be the right for pvt citizen to own a gun . If anyone doesnt believe that the media and other things such as video games doesnt have an effect on anyone they never worked Psychiatric. No I dont believe that it has any neg effect on a NORMAL person but on someone who may be a little unbalanced I hve seen the negative results yet no care is provided to those people before anything negative happens. I didnt believe it either till i worked in the field. And those who wnat o commit a crime or God forbid suicide will find a way to accomplish it no matter how bad it may be.

Wow. Don't even know what to say to that. Yes I do, That's dumb. Bad people can get guns when they want and we shouldn't be able to defend ourselves? That's dumb. They're going to get the guns one way or another. By the way, they were not his guns. That's dumb

the rifle was semi automatic, and in a car unused. He used pistols in the school. Way more people have pistols than ar15s. Whats the problem with rifles? He didn't use a rifle.

and the idea that increasing a wait from 5 days to 10 days to make stricter laws and adding more permits to file will stop anyone from killing children is a bigger pile of crap. a gun is no different from a blender or a lawnmower. Everything can be used to hurt another. Your logic states that there should be no more airplane pilots so we can't have hijackers. Or no cars to stop drunkdrivers. you have to address the real issue. this may be hard for you to comrehend but a gun is an inanimate object and is completely harmless untill someone picks it up and puts ammunition into it.

Our Moloch

Garry Wills


Few crimes are more harshly forbidden in the Old Testament than sacrifice to the god Moloch (for which see Leviticus 18.21, 20.1-5). The sacrifice referred to was of living children consumed in the fires of offering to Moloch. Ever since then, worship of Moloch has been the sign of a deeply degraded culture. Ancient Romans justified the destruction of Carthage by noting that children were sacrificed to Moloch there. Milton represented Moloch as the first pagan god who joined Satan’s war on humankind:

First Moloch, horrid king, besmear’d with blood
Of human sacrifice, and parents’ tears,
Though for the noise of Drums and Timbrels loud
Their children’s cries unheard, that pass’d through fire
To his grim idol. (Paradise Lost 1.392-96)

Read again those lines, with recent images seared into our brains—“besmeared with blood” and “parents’ tears.” They give the real meaning of what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School Friday morning. That horror cannot be blamed just on one unhinged person. It was the sacrifice we as a culture made, and continually make, to our demonic god. We guarantee that crazed man after crazed man will have a flood of killing power readily supplied him. We have to make that offering, out of devotion to our Moloch, our god. The gun is our Moloch. We sacrifice children to him daily—sometimes, as at Sandy Hook, by directly throwing them into the fire-hose of bullets from our protected private killing machines, sometimes by blighting our children’s lives by the death of a parent, a schoolmate, a teacher, a protector. Sometime this is done by mass killings (eight this year), sometimes by private offerings to the god (thousands this year).
The gun is not a mere tool, a bit of technology, a political issue, a point of debate. It is an object of reverence. Devotion to it precludes interruption with the sacrifices it entails. Like most gods, it does what it will, and cannot be questioned. Its acolytes think it is capable only of good things. It guarantees life and safety and freedom. It even guarantees law. Law grows from it. Then how can law question it?

Its power to do good is matched by its incapacity to do anything wrong. It cannot kill. Thwarting the god is what kills. If it seems to kill, that is only because the god’s bottomless appetite for death has not been adequately fed. The answer to problems caused by guns is more guns, millions of guns, guns everywhere, carried openly, carried secretly, in bars, in churches, in offices, in government buildings. Only the lack of guns can be a curse, not their beneficent omnipresence.

Adoration of Moloch permeates the country, imposing a hushed silence as he works his will. One cannot question his rites, even as the blood is gushing through the idol’s teeth. The White House spokesman invokes the silence of traditional in religious ceremony. “It is not the time” to question Moloch. No time is the right for showing disrespect for Moloch.

The fact that the gun is a reverenced god can be seen in its manifold and apparently resistless powers. How do we worship it? Let us count the ways:

1. It has the power to destroy the reasoning process. It forbids making logical connections. We are required to deny that there is any connection between the fact that we have the greatest number of guns in private hands and the greatest number of deaths from them. Denial on this scale always comes from or is protected by religious fundamentalism. Thus do we deny global warming, or evolution, or biblical errancy. Reason is helpless before such abject faith.
2. It has the power to turn all our politicians as a class into invertebrate and mute attendants at the shrine. None dare suggest that Moloch can in any way be reined in without being denounced by the pope of this religion, National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre, as trying to destroy Moloch, to take away all guns. They whimper and say they never entertained such heresy. Many flourish their guns while campaigning, or boast that they have themselves hunted “vermin.” Better that the children die or their lives be blasted than that a politician should risk an election against the dread sentence of NRA excommunication.
3. It has the power to distort our constitutional thinking. It says that the right to “bear arms,” a military term, gives anyone, anywhere in our country, the power to mow down civilians with military weapons. Even the Supreme Court has been cowed, reversing its own long history of recognizing that the Second Amendment applied to militias. Now the court feels bound to guarantee that any every madman can indulge his “religion” of slaughter. Moloch brooks no dissent, even from the highest court in the land.
Though LaPierre is the pope of this religion, its most successful Peter the Hermit, preaching the crusade for Moloch, was Charlton Heston, a symbol of the Americanism of loving guns. I have often thought that we should raise a statue of Heston at each of the many sites of multiple murders around our land. We would soon have armies of statues, whole droves of Heston acolytes standing sentry at the shrines of Moloch dotting the landscape. Molochism is the one religion that can never be separated from the state. The state itself bows down to Moloch, and protects the sacrifices made to him. So let us celebrate the falling bodies and rising statues as a demonstration of our fealty, our bondage, to the great god Gun.

December 15, 2012, 5:25 p.m.

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1996, in the small town of Dunblane, Scotland a man called Thomas Harrison walked into the primary school and slaughtered 16 children aged about 5/6yrs old and their teacher before turning the gun on himself. The reaction from residents and the people of the UK was a campaign to tighten the already strict gun laws. In 1997 it was made illegal for a private citizen to own or attempt to buy a firearm.

This was in stark contrast to the majority of contributors to this forum, whose solution seems to be more guns, even arm the teachers says one person. It is a shame that when the first school shooting happened in America people took the same action as we did in Scotland. If they had a lot of innocent children would be alive today.

I am proud of the way my country reacted to an appalling massacre and loss of life. The eyes of the civilised world will be on America in the weeks to come but I am afraid that the people who can only recite the mantra "guns don't kill people, people do" as if it is repeated often enough it will somehow become true. They will win again and more innocent people will be killed.

I'd like to know if the murdered mother of the shooter, was a member in good standing with the NRA. She purchased and owned those weapons legally.

The Remington 'Bushmaster' .223 weapon used primarily by Mr. Lanza. Looks great for deer hunting or zombie protection come December 22nd. This is but one model of the Bushmaster Series.


My apologies for the gun-porn, not trying to upset anyone...but this is the primary weapon utilized as per the Chief Medical Officer of the state of CT.

(from the link)

Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster .223 semi-automatic rifle at close range to kill children and adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut on Friday.

"I believe everybody was hit more than once," said Dr. H. Wayne Carver, the state of Connecticut's Chief Medical Examiner.

He said the bullets were uniquely damaging and that Lanza's victims died almost immediately.

"The bullets are designed in such a fashion the energy is deposited in the tissue so the bullet stays in," Carver said. He described the wounds as a "very devastating set of injuries."

Two handguns were also found at the scene, but Carver described the Bushmaster as the killer's primary weapon. A fourth weapon was found nearby.

The weapons that police recovered from the scene included a Glock 9-mm handgun, a Sig Sauer 9-mm handgun and a Bushmaster rifle. Police also found .223 shell casings. Lanza was wearing a bullet-proof vest.

The shooter's mother, 52-year-old Nancy Lanza, had five weapons registered to her, including a Glock, a Sig Sauer, and a Bushmaster rifle.

You can obtain these legally from Bud's Gun Shop (or any other assault weapon you want).

Maybe this will silence all of you who have stated that the shooter primarily used handguns, as if that would be more acceptable anyway.

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The best thing you can do for your fellow,
next to rousing his conscience, is - not to give him things
to think about, but to wake things up that are in him...
to make him think things for himself - George MacDonald

I think assault weapons should be banned, there really is no real purpose for them other than to kill mass amounts of people, although, even if they were to be banned, people would get them illegally as well. There is no logical way to prevent people from getting weapons. I do think that the media has both a positive and negative impact on the opinions of many people. Video games and movies affect people differently. As a gamer, I find stress relief when I play violent games. In the games I go on killing sprees and rampages and I always feel better afterwards. I play when I get the chance, it keeps me from taking it out on real people. I don't like hurting people, whether it's physical pain or emotional pain. It's just not how I am.
Banning assault weapons would be great, but it would just bring up sales in black markets and people obsessed with wanting to hurt people will find any way to get a hole of weapons. Psychology does play a big part in it, whether you want to believe it or not. Some people who seem completely normal are the ones you have to watch out for, they could have years of bottled up stress and one day just snap. Most people with mental problems don't want to hurt people. Being someone who has mental problems, I've talked to tons of people who have the same problems as I do, and all we want is someone who will talk to us and let us know that we're loved and cared about. Mental problems may have a part in whether people go "postal" but there are a lot of very successful people who have mental problems.
But there are a lot of people who have snapped and killed people because they don't know what's going on with them and they've never been diagnosed with mental problems, because they don't show the "typical signs" of having any mental disorders.
While we should bad assault weapons, we should just ban every kind of rifle/firearm altogether. If we banned all weapons, there would be no way for people to protect themselves. Anything can be used as a weapon.

Yeah same here I saw the other two, I generally disregard anything fox says but if CNN can actually agree with them, I'm willing to listen. hopefully abc or one of the others gets a confirmed version. the other two seem to be from the police. They keep changing the story on the news every hour.

I did never understood people who have a gun or pistole at home. These are dangerous weapons, in our times there is no need for this at home. We have enough police and military to secure our peace and order, why should i carry a weapon with me? One more time the easy access to weapons killed many inocend people. I am very sorry of that...

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We need police in schools just like the banks. Money is insured and can be replaced children can't

Its not the weapons that need to be regulated ,it is the people that misuse them. If someone wants to harm another they will find a way to do it . A stick ,a club ,a spear,a pipe bomb,a car ,maybe even beat them with a dead cat,who knows ? Until we the people can control the other people that have harm on their mind we will not be able to stop the attacks on innocent people.
There are no easy answers but I still hold with the fact that a gun will not shoot multipal people with out there being a person behind it .

I do not understand the fetishisation of guns in American culture. They may make you think you are in control and that you can defend yourself but the stats show that you are more likely to be a victim of gun crime than in comparable first world countries.

Yes American society has to take a long hard look at how kids get so divorced from society that they commit such acts, but America it's time to grow up. The 'guns don't kill people' argument is so flawed, that it is the petulant protestation of a child who doesn't want their toys taken from them. Bombs don't kill people, or poison gas and yet I suspect you have no problem with the state regulation of those weapons. It's just that you like guns. And don't cite the right to bear arms shtick. Firstly it's an argument based on a misinterpretation of the text and an ignorance of the context. But secondly and more importantly don't hide behind the words of long dead men. Your country has evolved, change your constitution to reflect now, not the 18th century. Grow up as a nation and stop hiding under mother's apron.

Crazy people will always be crazy. But guns give them the ability to kill on a large scale. Would Lanza have gone on rampage in the school if all he'd had was an array of knives? Maybe. Would 20 little children be dead now? No.

Put your guns away. You don't need them. Stop writing off each mass shooting as the work of an unhinged person, weeping over the innocent dead but doing nothing to prevent a repeat. Take responsibility as a society and say that until you can work out how to stop people being unhinged you can at least deny them the means of causing such carnage.

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