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We now have filters in place to identify people who frequently vote stories down. They are contacted privately, and if no justifiable reasons are given, are prevented from further voting. It takes a long time to manually check up individual story votes, and our admin team are already stretched to the limit. If you have a problem with the voting system, there are plenty of ways to deal with it in your profile settings: http://www.lushstories.com/membership/update-details.aspx?s=privacyThere will always be someone who doesn't like your story, however good it is. There may be someone who doesn't like you, or is jealous of your talent. As a writer, you have to learn to deal with these things, it's a hard part of the business of writing!
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I love the new feature which makes someone have to post a comment in order to vote. I haven't changed my profile to that but it is an option. I have already written someone and asked them privately to refrain from commenting or voting on my work, I deleted him and blocked him and have been living a happy life ever since.
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I think the ranking of the stories should be based on the likely score rather than merely the average.
If a story has nine votes of 5 and a 1 it will have a lower average than one that has six 5's but the chances are that it is a better story.
I would also like to see the voting predict the type of story I am likely to like rather than ones that are merely popular among the people who like to read them.
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Here here. I am glad you took this step. It's so childish to vote someone's stories down for some reason other than the work is just not good. Honestly, if I feel inclined to give a score less than four, I just don't vote. I'd hate to bring someone's hard work down. But, yes, I know first hand that people do this, and have seen it done to friends as well. For my part, I just disabled voting. If ya don't like how I write, don't read it.
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what about high votes? some of mine don't deserve 5's. just saying.
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sprite wrote:what about high votes? some of mine don't deserve 5's. just saying. Well said, little sprite, I agree most wholeheartedly x And would you like for me to come and give you a few 'appropriate' votes? *grins* Xxx Xxx
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naughtiestmommy wrote:Here here. I am glad you took this step. It's so childish to vote someone's stories down for some reason other than the work is just not good. Honestly, if I feel inclined to give a score less than four, I just don't vote. I'd hate to bring someone's hard work down.
So, I hear what you're saying, but if you only ever vote 4 or 5, then having the voting be a 5 point scale - particularly with descriptive tags for the ratings - isn't helpful. Netflix's movie ratings are on a 5 star scale, but the descriptions of each rating point are subjective, rather than objective ("Hated it / Loved it" rather than "Poor / Excellent"). At least that way, there's no arguing with the vote. You can disagree with someone when they say writing is "Poor," but you can't really tell them they're wrong if they say they "hated it."
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Sensei wrote:
So, I hear what you're saying, but if you only ever vote 4 or 5, then having the voting be a 5 point scale - particularly with descriptive tags for the ratings - isn't helpful.
Netflix's movie ratings are on a 5 star scale, but the descriptions of each rating point are subjective, rather than objective ("Hated it / Loved it" rather than "Poor / Excellent"). At least that way, there's no arguing with the vote. You can disagree with someone when they say writing is "Poor," but you can't really tell them they're wrong if they say they "hated it."
Oh, you can tell them. They just usually don't like it. 
The system in place is not going to change any time soon, as far as I am aware, and there are ways to tackle it if you wish individually. Nicola has said elsewhere that it's pointless discussing the method.
Not everybody decides not to vote if they think it's deserving of less than a four.
The people who frequently vote down stories are either up themselves or malicious, and can be dealt with by the measures in place. I've had lower scores before, and all it does (apart from make me cry for a bit until I get over myself) is make me question why they did, and if it will help me to be a better writer. If people marking lower cannot give a good reason for it (or indeed reasons why they voted higher or at all), then it is clear they either just didn't like it (the same as "I hated it"), or they wish they had written it. 
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CumGirl wrote:
Well said, little sprite, I agree most wholeheartedly x
And would you like for me to come and give you a few 'appropriate' votes?
*grins*
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hey, wait, are you saying my stuff is sub par? *giggles* no, seriously, i know when i hit the heights and when i don't - i DO have stories i think push me as a writer, but i also have stuff that's just fun, and if i get average scores on that stuff, i'm ok with it - honestly, a 3 or better and i think it's an honest score. now, if i'm getting a 1 or a 2, yeah, there's something else going on - like i peed on someones carpet or keyed their car or something. btw, i USED to be super uptight about my scores, and really, who doesn't like praise, but now? it's all good - i love to write, i love to support the site, my ego is fed by the comments, and i have fun with it. :)
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sprite wrote:
hey, wait, are you saying my stuff is sub par? *giggles* no, seriously, i know when i hit the heights and when i don't - i DO have stories i think push me as a writer, but i also have stuff that's just fun, and if i get average scores on that stuff, i'm ok with it - honestly, a 3 or better and i think it's an honest score. now, if i'm getting a 1 or a 2, yeah, there's something else going on - like i peed on someones carpet or keyed their car or something. btw, i USED to be super uptight about my scores, and really, who doesn't like praise, but now? it's all good - i love to write, i love to support the site, my ego is fed by the comments, and i have fun with it. :)
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I do look at the votes, but really, I am fed much more by the comments people leave.
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what about a two-tier voting system?
One component is the technical competency of the story, how creative it is, how articulate/eloquent it is, minus spelling errors and grammatical flaws.
The second component focuses squarely on the erotic dynamic of the story.
Just a thought.
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apronedsamurai wrote:what about a two-tier voting system?
One component is the technical competency of the story, how creative it is, how articulate/eloquent it is, minus spelling errors and grammatical flaws.
The second component focuses squarely on the erotic dynamic of the story.
Just a thought. Spelling and grammatical errors are part of the technical aspect of writing.
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apronedsamurai wrote:what about a two-tier voting system?
One component is the technical competency of the story, how creative it is, how articulate/eloquent it is, minus spelling errors and grammatical flaws.
The second component focuses squarely on the erotic dynamic of the story.
Just a thought. I think that literacy is part of writing, so I disagree with this. The writer's use of language and their skills are indicative of their writing ability, not just the content of their work. I have read beautifully crafted sentences over again because of this.
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If your story is marked down for spelling mistakes then the new writer's. Trying for the first time would. Be put off as we are not all perfect writer's and some of the comments about spelling and layout have stopped me even trying to publish. Anything on here
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blackpoolguy wrote:If your story is marked down for spelling mistakes then the new writer's. Trying for the first time would. Be put off as we are not all perfect writer's and some of the comments about spelling and layout have stopped me even trying to publish. Anything on here If you submit a story and spelling & grammatical errors are riddled throughout it, more than likely it would get rejected and thus would not be seen by readers. Mistakes that would subject an author to ridicule in comments and inferior scoring are caught by our editorial team. We understand that this is a site with mostly non-professional writers and the team understands this and work accordingly. I encourage you to pen a tale for submission, we will do our best to always nurture the talent we have here. I hope that this makes you feel somewhat better and we see a story from you soon. Good luck!
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principessa wrote:
I think that literacy is part of writing, so I disagree with this. The writer's use of language and their skills are indicative of their writing ability, not just the content of their work. I have read beautifully crafted sentences over again because of this.
As a writer who's Achilles heel is spelling and punctuation, I am in complete agreement with this. I am certain that my lack of ability to grasp the fundamentals of punctuation have cost me scores as well as other accolades. What this has done is to drive me on in my goal to improve, and I honestly believe my writing is still improving with every attempt. No one ever said crafting a story was easy. It takes time and a great deal of effort to write something that can truly stand out here on Lush. There are simply too many excellent writers here for one to hope a lesser effort will appear as anything but that which it truly is.
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blackpoolguy wrote:If your story is marked down for spelling mistakes then the new writer's. Trying for the first time would. Be put off as we are not all perfect writer's and some of the comments about spelling and layout have stopped me even trying to publish. Anything on here I'm sorry, this makes no sense whatsoever.
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blackpoolguy wrote:If your story is marked down for spelling mistakes then the new writer's. Trying for the first time would. Be put off as we are not all perfect writer's and some of the comments about spelling and layout have stopped me even trying to publish. Anything on here I THINK this is what he is trying to say.... "If your story is marked down for spelling mistakes, then new writers trying for the first time would be put off, as we are not all perfect writers. And some of the comments about spelling and layout have stopped me from even trying to publish anything on here." Quote:I'm sorry, this makes no sense whatsoever. Does it make sense now?
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Thanks for the translation!
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It took me a couple reads of the post to understand it, but I finally got it...
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blackpoolguy wrote:If your story is marked down for spelling mistakes then the new writer's. Trying for the first time would. Be put off as we are not all perfect writer's and some of the comments about spelling and layout have stopped me even trying to publish. Anything on here Should try "hooked on phonics" it wurkedt fur meeBesides what has been rightfully already mentioned on this post regarding the low feedback of a story. I would like to add (as some comments that I have read) of lower scores because the story was not their cup of tea. Maybe the title deceived the reader so he/she felt unsatisfied, but that for sure must be an unfair comment. I'm not a writer but that must hurt.
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I'm surprised that people are unwilling to vote less than a 4. It's nothing personal to get a low vote. If 4 and 5 are the only options, than people are just going to mentally readjust their standards anyway. As Yatzhee said, "But the cruellest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." If a story is poor, I say so. If it's excellent, I say so. If someone gets all 5s because no one wants to hurt their feelings, what's the motivation to write an excellent story that deserves all 5s? You'll never know the difference either way. People need to be pushed out of their comfort zone if they're going to improve.
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LiquidMatthew wrote:I'm surprised that people are unwilling to vote less than a 4. It's nothing personal to get a low vote. If 4 and 5 are the only options, than people are just going to mentally readjust their standards anyway. As Yatzhee said, "But the cruellest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." If a story is poor, I say so. If it's excellent, I say so. If someone gets all 5s because no one wants to hurt their feelings, what's the motivation to write an excellent story that deserves all 5s? You'll never know the difference either way. People need to be pushed out of their comfort zone if they're going to improve. This thread specifically deals with malicious scoring, not because a story needs vast improvement (in the scorer's opinion). Reasons for malicious low scoring vary, from a spurned friend request, to jealousy over a great piece of work, to it being in a category the scorer doesn't like.
There is nothing wrong with scoring low. But if the scorer gives no idea as to how the author can improve their piece, then the scoring is redundant anyway.
The same goes for high scores, in a way. What makes the story worth a four or five? Let the author know, for future reference.
As stated, this thread is about malicious low scoring, not simply scoring low because you genuinely think a story is a pile of poo.
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Shylass wrote:
This thread specifically deals with malicious scoring, not because a story needs vast improvement (in the scorer's opinion). Reasons for malicious low scoring vary, from a spurned friend request, to jealousy over a great piece of work, to it being in a category the scorer doesn't like.
There is nothing wrong with scoring low. But if the scorer gives no idea as to how the author can improve their piece, then the scoring is redundant anyway.
The same goes for high scores, in a way. What makes the story worth a four or five? Let the author know, for future reference.
As stated, this thread is about malicious low scoring, not simply scoring low because you genuinely think a story is a pile of poo.
Naughtiest Mommy said "Here here. I am glad you took this step. It's so childish to vote someone's stories down for some reason other than the work is just not good. Honestly, if I feel inclined to give a score less than four, I just don't vote. I'd hate to bring someone's hard work down." I was referring to that.
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LiquidMatthew wrote:
Naughtiest Mommy said "Here here. I am glad you took this step. It's so childish to vote someone's stories down for some reason other than the work is just not good. Honestly, if I feel inclined to give a score less than four, I just don't vote. I'd hate to bring someone's hard work down." I was referring to that.
We're talking about two different things here. The action taken, per the OP of this thread, is to counteract and (hopefully) deter vote-bombing (i.e. scoring stories lowly, either as a retaliation or just for the mean-spirited sake of doing so). You're talking about voting stories according to your subjective judgement of quality, which is exactly what the voting scale is designed for. Therefore, this thread really doesn't apply to, or argue against, the act of scoring normally, regardless of how relaxed or strict your standards are.
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I for one look for constructive criticism and think it would help improve my writing, but have noticed that those that score very low are those that don't leave comments and that makes me wonder if the low scores are just out of spite. I know I was so hurt by low scoring that it caused me to curtail my writing to the point that i don't even try any longer.
You put your all into writing and to be shot down by those that cant even be bothered to mention why they didn't like it makes it seem futile to put the time into trying to create something enjoyable.
I know I should be thicker skinned, but to a beginning writer, a one or two score is devastating.
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LadyX wrote:
We're talking about two different things here. The action taken, per the OP of this thread, is to counteract and (hopefully) deter vote-bombing (i.e. scoring stories lowly, either as a retaliation or just for the mean-spirited sake of doing so).
Didn't you do a video explaining that a while back? Maybe it's time to bring that out again...I thought it was pretty cool myself... 
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I've been wondering this for a while: if I was to give someone a lower score than I wanted to (say the mouse slipped and I clicked on the wrong one), could that score be reversed, so that I can score again, properly this time? It has never happened, but I'm always paranoid that it might.
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I am thrilled that there is such a ranking and close observation of submitted stories. I enjoy the erotic writing process and strive to make my stories vivid. So many experiences to share and so many to be enjoyed. Just had a story rejected because of my haste, yet I know that with a little clean-up it, I'll be thrilling others. Personally, it is the comments that fuel my desire.
Thanks for making this happen!
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