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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:57:38 PM

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The 20 or so babies killed at Sandy Hook is part of this discussion. the value of those lives are somehow important to the Socialist , but the 55 Million US aborted babies (think human fetus turns into a human baby,,, most US States charge a murderer of a pregnant woman with two murders, that of the baby and the mother).
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:21:40 PM

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Buc wrote:
The 20 or so babies killed at Sandy Hook is part of this discussion. the value of those lives are somehow important to the Socialist , but the 55 Million US aborted babies (think human fetus turns into a human baby,,, most US States charge a murderer of a pregnant woman with two murders, that of the baby and the mother).


Of course. But abortion isn't considered murder. Deal with it. binky ( <--- that baby's already been born, btw. Therefore, it would be a murder no matter who was involved, just to clarify for you). For a variety of reasons that give pro-lifers hives, the same is not true of a fetus, nor does it matter that they disagree. The law protects choice. The good thing is, much like gay marriage, nobody's forced to have one.



To review:

Sandy Hook = actual children.
Hypothetical pro-life protest-poster images in the shape of fetuses (or for that matter, actual fetuses) = not actual children.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:24:13 PM

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Buc wrote:
The 20 or so babies killed at Sandy Hook is part of this discussion. the value of those lives are somehow important to the Socialist , but the 55 Million US aborted babies (think human fetus turns into a human baby,,, most US States charge a murderer of a pregnant woman with two murders, that of the baby and the mother).


Are you also against vasectomies? Every sperm is a potential life, or the potential for a potential life

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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:28:44 PM

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Nope, the point is when you have a very limited mind economically taxing the other income earner makes you feeeeeellllll better .


Who are these people who are emotionally soothed by tax policy? I bet they're a blast to hang out with. Or, did you just parrot that talking point from right-wing radio and/or blogposts? I know lots of liberals and lots of conservatives. People from both groups get emotional about all sorts of stuff, some of it really silly. Taxation rates aren't among them for any, far as I can tell.

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Poor people have earned their station .


LOL. laughing9 You funny guy.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:45:01 PM

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Buc wrote:
you're worried about a billionaire ending up with LESS money than me?"

Nope, the point is when you have a very limited mind economically taxing the other income earner makes you feeeeeellllll better . Poor people have earned their station .


wow. yeah, all those people who got laid off after busting their ass for the same company for 20 years earned their situation. yep, that's the spirit. fuck you, poor people. why can't you be more like AIG or Goldman-Sachs or Enron? What's wrong with you? So what if you got cancer while you were out of work and without medical? you deserve to die, you stupid bastard - it's your own fault you got a job with a chemical company not known for their enviornmental and health record. next time, you'll get a job at Wal-Mart for bare minimum and you'll like it. :) compassion at it's finest.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:48:27 PM

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Buc wrote:
The 20 or so babies killed at Sandy Hook is part of this discussion. the value of those lives are somehow important to the Socialist , but the 55 Million US aborted babies (think human fetus turns into a human baby,,, most US States charge a murderer of a pregnant woman with two murders, that of the baby and the mother).


human sperm turns into a baby, so really, every time you jack off, you're killing thousands. :) hell, every month i kill off a baby. it's called a period. i'm a murderer! woo hoo! US law presently states that, for reasons of abortion, a fetus in the first trimester if not recognized as a baby. that's the LAW. anyone getting an abortion is not breaking the LAW. to pretend other wise is asinine.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:52:28 PM

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i'm totally proud of being a socialist. i have pictures of Chairman Mau in my room" Sprite
Chairman Mao, was a Chinese communist revolutionary

outlaw anything that carries is classified as an semi automatic"

My .22 Pistol would be outlawed by you.

Background checks,,, uhm, criminals steal guns , they don't submit to background checks, remember who locks keep out?

President Obama, would be unable to pass the fire arms background check do to his admitted cocaine and other drug usage. FYI.



and last time i checked, President Obama was a democaticly elected president. :)

actually, ALL of YOUR guns would be outlawed by me. I'm just that vindictive. :D and cool, i'm ok with President Obama not being allowed to carry firearms too. wouldn't bother me one bit. that is, if he had actually been CONVICTED of a FELONY. admitting he tried coke and being arrested and convicted of it aren't the same in the court of law.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:52:44 PM

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sprite wrote:


wow. yeah, all those people who got laid off after busting their ass for the same company earned their situation. yep, that's the spirit. fuck you, poor people. why can't you be more like AIG or Goldman-Sachs or Enron? What's wrong with you? So what if you got cancer while you were out of work and without medical? you deserve to die, you stupid bastard - it's your own fault you got a job and chemical company not known for their enviornmental and health record. next time, you'll get a job at Wal-Mart for bare minimum and you'll like it. :) compassion at it's finest.


Eh, pay it no mind. Hey, somebody's gotta stand up for the nation's most wealthy, advantaged, and powerful. Lucky for us, Buc's got it covered.

Lwinking

It's an easy ethos to follow: hitch your wagon to the power structure, read up on some Ayn Rand, and rail on endlessly about liberals and socialism, with no regard to facts or context. I mean really Rachel, think about how much time you waste by actually thinking critically, or examining complex issues from outside of a single pre-conceived worldview? Wouldn't it be awesome to avoid all that?

I'll send you some Breitbart.com links. Maybe you'll come around.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:56:06 PM

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LadyX wrote:


Eh, pay it no mind. Hey, somebody's gotta stand up for the nation's most wealthy, advantaged, and powerful. Lucky for us, Buc's got it covered.

Lwinking

It's an easy ethos to follow: hitch your wagon to the power structure, read up on some Ayn Rand, and rail about liberals and socialism, with no regard to facts or context. I mean really Rachel, think about how much time you waste by actually thinking critically, or examining complex issues from outside of a single pre-conceived worldview? Wouldn't it be awesome to avoid all that?

I'll send you some Breitbart.com links. Maybe you'll come around.


thanks, Xuani. i mean, i need something to do in between cooking, cleaning the house, doing the laundry, giving my man blow jobs, and being pregnant!
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:57:58 PM

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sprite wrote:


thanks, Xuani. i mean, i need something to do in between cooking, cleaning the house, doing the laundry, giving my man blow jobs, and being pregnant!


Hey, that's known as "honoring and obeying your husband." No need to break out all of the tasks that baby jesus asks of you, just do as you're told, little lady.evil4
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:17:52 PM

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Buc wrote:
Good to see the socialist here are so thin skinned and at the same time so two faced. I will not be hyperbolic.

Your first sentence makes the second a lie.


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So exactly what guns do you all want outlawed? And will those guns become illegal to own IF I own one now, or do you grandfather some of these guns?

Read the bills' text yourself. You can read, right?

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I find it odd that the anti-gun crazies have no problem with the aborting of 55 million babies.

You're a veritable font of nutjob talking points. Way to derail, or try to, anyway. Transparent and stupid.

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Poor people have earned their station.

As have their children, I'm sure. Dog eat dog? If I've got mine, fuck my neighbor? You're a piece of work.

All your "SOCIALISM" dick waving is pure unadulterated bullshit, Buc, and everyone outside your own little fever swamp knows it.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:47:01 AM

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Federal Fire Arms Laws , Illinois and DC all,,, without conviction in a criminal court , they only require the knowledge of "dangerous Drug" use. In his own book he admits his illegal drug usage.

Federal Gun Laws would prohibit Obama from owning any gun,,,, his self admitted illegal dangerous drugs would IF he honestly reported it would cause him to fail a FFA back ground check.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:55:03 AM

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I see that a majority here believe wealth is power and that with more wealth more things in the USA can be enjoyed, one such thing is gun ownership. John Kerry's famous clip of him dressed up like elmer fudd and ask'n for a Hunt'm license was a joy for me tor watch over and over again, as he sports a $2,500 dollar shotgun. Obama's over and under rings in at a cool $3,5oo and his ORDER not to use his image and not to photo shop it was pure Socialism,,,, First Amendment of the USC allows us US Citizens the freedom to tell him to go bugger off.

Good to here that 55 million babies, err, non human life forms do not bother this group.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:59:23 AM

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Not wanting to "derail" this discussion over ending the rights afforded me under the current USC. But if one earns little money , can they live economically like me, someone with wealth. As for working, I was in the greatest fighting force for freedom ever in the Modern World the US Army. I currently run my ranch and feed those around the world, again with out the USA much more of the world would starve.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:00:21 AM

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Dog eat dog?" I was not speaking of Obama's food choices.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:07:49 AM

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and last time i checked, President Obama was a democratically elected president" yes and i never said he wasn't,,,, calm down your TEAM WON. Now go change Omerica
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:33:19 AM

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Buc wrote:

and last time i checked, President Obama was a democratically elected president" yes and i never said he wasn't,,,, calm down your TEAM WON. Now go change Omerica


Working on that, but it requires patience my friend. You might not believe this, but actively subverting American culture and turning us into a fascist state with a sitting president secured as dictator takes a lot of work. We can't do this overnight. And more bad news for you: changing the spelling is going to have to done by executive order after he dissolves congress. Theres no way most of the Omerican people would go for it by choice. I think I'd be okay with it though. I mean. We already have a USO, so we could just steal their stationary until we rob enough rich people to make new stuff.

I think this brainstorming session is really getting somewhere!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:56:11 AM

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Buc wrote:
Federal Fire Arms Laws , Illinois and DC all,,, without conviction in a criminal court , they only require the knowledge of "dangerous Drug" use. In his own book he admits his illegal drug usage.

Federal Gun Laws would prohibit Obama from owning any gun,,,, his self admitted illegal dangerous drugs would IF he honestly reported it would cause him to fail a FFA back ground check.


Buc wrote:
I see that a majority here believe wealth is power and that with more wealth more things in the USA can be enjoyed, one such thing is gun ownership. John Kerry's famous clip of him dressed up like elmer fudd and ask'n for a Hunt'm license was a joy for me tor watch over and over again, as he sports a $2,500 dollar shotgun. Obama's over and under rings in at a cool $3,5oo and his ORDER not to use his image and not to photo shop it was pure Socialism,,,, First Amendment of the USC allows us US Citizens the freedom to tell him to go bugger off.

Good to here that 55 million babies, err, non human life forms do not bother this group.


Buc wrote:
Not wanting to "derail" this discussion over ending the rights afforded me under the current USC. But if one earns little money , can they live economically like me, someone with wealth. As for working, I was in the greatest fighting force for freedom ever in the Modern World the US Army. I currently run my ranch and feed those around the world, again with out the USA much more of the world would starve.


Buc wrote:
Dog eat dog?" I was not speaking of Obama's food choices.


There are more, but it takes too long to copy them all. So Buc, this is for your entire rant from the start of this thread to here:

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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:01:57 AM

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y'all can circumevent the constitution any way you want

well those that live in america

i dont own a gun

but after all this hooha i am so going out and getting one and i joined the the NRA

illegal guns kill people so you can outlaw ALL ya want a criminal is a criminal is a criminal...and they got guns

ILLEGALLY!!!!

so when you get robbed at home..which is happening in my town...and beaten up

when you get robbed hurt maimed you will want to blow those people away..and the police are what 20 mins away...for times are desperate people and the have nots are getting greater..you too will not advocate zero guns

as for the kids that kill in schools.....

YOU cannot legally own a gun until you are 21

so this should be a discussion as to why the parent didnt have them locked up tight

and why you would give a hormonal teenager something that kills

when they pry my gun from my cold dead fingers baby!

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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:23:30 AM

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The facts are hard for the left to swallow,, Obama's cocaine usage does prohibit him from gun ownership and oh oh, possession. the strong gun law Socialist are sure to want him charged , evidence , well the "don't photo shop me bro" picture of the gun shooting Pres.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:43:19 AM

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Buc wrote:
The facts are hard for the left to swallow,, Obama's cocaine usage does prohibit him from gun ownership and oh oh, possession. the strong gun law Socialist are sure to want him charged , evidence , well the "don't photo shop me bro" picture of the gun shooting Pres.


They are? I haven't heard anybody except for you fret about whether or not Obama does, or can, own a gun at all. Why are you so concerned with that detail, you don't even like the guy (as far as I can tell, based on scant evidence LOL)?
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:24:50 AM

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blazestcyr wrote:
y'all can circumevent the constitution any way you want

well those that live in america

i dont own a gun

but after all this hooha i am so going out and getting one and i joined the the NRA

illegal guns kill people so you can outlaw ALL ya want a criminal is a criminal is a criminal...and they got guns

ILLEGALLY!!!!

so when you get robbed at home..which is happening in my town...and beaten up

when you get robbed hurt maimed you will want to blow those people away..and the police are what 20 mins away...for times are desperate people and the have nots are getting greater..you too will not advocate zero guns

as for the kids that kill in schools.....

YOU cannot legally own a gun until you are 21

so this should be a discussion as to why the parent didnt have them locked up tight

and why you would give a hormonal teenager something that kills

when they pry my gun from my cold dead fingers baby!

i agree but you to be 21 to buy a handgun, you can buy a rifle or a shotgun when you're 18
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:49:41 AM

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Buc wrote:
Federal Fire Arms Laws , Illinois and DC all,,, without conviction in a criminal court , they only require the knowledge of "dangerous Drug" use. In his own book he admits his illegal drug usage.

Federal Gun Laws would prohibit Obama from owning any gun,,,, his self admitted illegal dangerous drugs would IF he honestly reported it would cause him to fail a FFA back ground check.


as i stated before, i'm fine with the President not being allowed to own a gun. i mean, damn, black men with guns IS kind of scary, right? isn't that one of those rights only white men are supposed to have? next thing you know, we'll be letting the mexicans own guns, and that just ain't right! i'm ok with them owning lawnmowers and leaf blowers, for god's sake, but not guns!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:51:02 AM

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Buc wrote:
Dog eat dog?" I was not speaking of Obama's food choices.


oo - good one you put the President in his place in one pithy phrase! damn, now i'm gonna HAVE to side with you. all my points CRUSHED by your verbal acrobatics!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:59:54 AM

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Buc wrote:
I see that a majority here believe wealth is power and that with more wealth more things in the USA can be enjoyed, one such thing is gun ownership. John Kerry's famous clip of him dressed up like elmer fudd and ask'n for a Hunt'm license was a joy for me tor watch over and over again, as he sports a $2,500 dollar shotgun. Obama's over and under rings in at a cool $3,5oo and his ORDER not to use his image and not to photo shop it was pure Socialism,,,, First Amendment of the USC allows us US Citizens the freedom to tell him to go bugger off.

Good to here that 55 million babies, err, non human life forms do not bother this group.


dude, you been living under a rock? in simple terms. yes, if you have more money, more things can be enjoyed ANYwhere. why, you ask? cause it costs money to fly to Hawaii and stay for 2 weeks. it costs money to buy a Mercedes-Benz, or a home theatre system. it costs money to go to a broadway show or the super bowl. that's just pure logic, dude. and, btw, here's a little fact for you:
pro
During the 2010 election cycle, the NRA spent more than $7.2 million on independent expenditures at the federal level on messages advocating for or against political candidates.

money = power. that's why they call it Capitalism, not Barterism. :)

oh, and we were discussing guns here, not violence. you are assuming that just because a person is anti-gun-nut, they are pro-abortion. i am willing to bet real money that many people who want to limit access to guns are doing it because they have children - you know, those babies that weren't aborted - and they don't want to see them mowed down by another lunatic with a gun like what happened in Newtown. :)

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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:12:34 AM

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Buc wrote:
Not wanting to "derail" this discussion over ending the rights afforded me under the current USC. But if one earns little money , can they live economically like me, someone with wealth. As for working, I was in the greatest fighting force for freedom ever in the Modern World the US Army. I currently run my ranch and feed those around the world, again with out the USA much more of the world would starve.


define "little money". apparently you earn enough that you can afford to feed people around the world. hell, last time i checked, ranches took up a lot of land. land ain't cheap. if times where hard, you could probably sell that land. a lot of people are barely able to afford to rent a squat, to feed themselves and their family, to live with what most of us would consider the basic rights. you ever check out the streets? guys wrapped up in layers of dirty clothing? sleeping in the cold? yeah, those ones (some of those, btw, are US vets). and, btw, i hope you didn't put more then 20 years in the US armed forces, cause if you did, you're receiving 50% of your pay on a yearly basis as a pension. not saying you didn't earn it - i think that anyone putting that kind of time into being in the military deserves the perk - just saying it's kind of hypocritical to say that you don't get a little help from the US government. bet you never got help on GI loans either, right?
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:16:04 AM

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Buc wrote:
The facts are hard for the left to swallow,, Obama's cocaine usage does prohibit him from gun ownership and oh oh, possession. the strong gun law Socialist are sure to want him charged , evidence , well the "don't photo shop me bro" picture of the gun shooting Pres.


personally, i like facts. i just wish others likes them as much as me - i get tired of sorting thru the lies and rhetoric of people like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh - i wish they liked facts as much as it did instead of doing their best to whip up anger and fear in their cults... excuse me, i mean listeners. :)
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:19:24 AM

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blazestcyr wrote:
y'all can circumevent the constitution any way you want

well those that live in america

i dont own a gun

but after all this hooha i am so going out and getting one and i joined the the NRA

illegal guns kill people so you can outlaw ALL ya want a criminal is a criminal is a criminal...and they got guns

ILLEGALLY!!!!

so when you get robbed at home..which is happening in my town...and beaten up

when you get robbed hurt maimed you will want to blow those people away..and the police are what 20 mins away...for times are desperate people and the have nots are getting greater..you too will not advocate zero guns

as for the kids that kill in schools.....

YOU cannot legally own a gun until you are 21

so this should be a discussion as to why the parent didnt have them locked up tight

and why you would give a hormonal teenager something that kills

when they pry my gun from my cold dead fingers baby!



not sure how anyone is circumventing the constitution here - last time i checked, we HAD a standing army to protect us from invasion and i never once advocated taking away anyone's right to own a gun - it's the specificity of what KIND of a gun that i am debating here. if you want to own a shot gun, i support you. if you want to own something capable of killing a large number of people in a very small time frame, i don't. it's pretty simple. i have NEVER once advocated ZERO guns. if you think i have, best go reread my posts. :)
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One can do a lot more damage with a shotgun the a rifle or pistol. at the range most of these shootings occur, a rifled barrel weapon is overkill. Its the image portrayed in the media on both sides. Only change I suggest, all people owing a weapon have to apply be screened and records updated.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:39:05 PM

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LadyX wrote:


They are? I haven't heard anybody except for you fret about whether or not Obama does, or can, own a gun at all. Why are you so concerned with that detail, you don't even like the guy (as far as I can tell, based on scant evidence LOL)?



Why would I a Veteran of the US Army and a Strong defender of the US Constitution be concerned about the current US President who is hell bent on taking away my rights as a freedom loving Libertarian would be concerned about his open violation of US Federal Gun laws,, darn, got me (sarcasm off).
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