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WellMadeMale
Posted: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:45:50 PM

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And all along, it's been Mississippi.

Mississippi Officially Abolishes Slavery, Ratifies 13th Amendment


Someone hand those fuckers a cigar. Oversight my ass. evil4

Two medical school colleagues, one an immigrant from India, the other a life-long Mississippian, joined forces to resolve a historical oversight that until this month had never officially been corrected.

The oversight was no small one either. Until February 7, 2013, the state of Mississippi had never submitted the required documentation to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment, meaning it never officially had abolished slavery.

The amendment was adopted in December 1865 after the necessary three-fourths of the then 36 states voted in favor of ratification. Mississippi, however, was a holdout; at the time state lawmakers were upset that they had not been compensated for the value of freed slaves.

Dr. Ranjan Batra, professor of Neurobiology and Anatomical sciences at the University of Mississippi Medical Center, told ABC News he was inspired to investigate the history of the Thirteenth Amendment in his state after a viewing of the film “Lincoln.”

“At the end of the story there was an open question about how the ratification process proceeded,” he said. “Living in the South as I do, I found that a pretty big open question.”

So Batra proceeded to do some investigating of his own, noticing on the website usconstitution.net, that there was an asterisk next to the state of Mississippi in connection with the ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment.

Mississippi ratified the amendment in 1995, but because the state never officially notified the US Archivist, the ratification is not official,” reads the statement on the website. Batra felt compelled to act to rectify the clerical oversight.

“Mississippi gets a lot of bad press about this type of stuff and I just felt that it is something that should be fixed, and I saw every reason that could be done,” he said. “Everyone here would like to put this part of Mississippi’s past behind us and move on into the 21st century rather than the 19th.”


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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:54:37 PM

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Thats completely fucked up.
groucho
Posted: Monday, February 18, 2013 10:02:10 PM

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nah....Kansans have only been fucked up over the last 30 years or so. before that (native Kansan here) we were quite progressive and rather independent albeit fairly conservative. if we thought a democrat would represent us best, no matter what office, we would elect a democrat. just saying!

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Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:57:43 AM

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Yeah, I saw that article...apparently they do things a bit slower down there...

And if those guys didn't go see the Lincoln movie, it might still be legal to own slaves down there...just sayin'



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scooter
Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:45:28 AM

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What an interesting story. This type of oversight just floors my ass.

As innocent as it may be, I feel it proves we have quite a few too many laws on the books, to the point even a whole state and all their
politicians can't keep up.
And to think I can be penalised for neglecting to renew my drivers licence, or forgetting to file quarterly taxes.
But, "ignorance of the Law is no excuse" they try to tell you.

Most politicians or Law makers remind me of the average modern day architect.
There are not many great designs left to be drawn out there, they've already been done.
So they draw up something ridiculous to try to justify their existence.
I'm not being hard on "all" politicians or architects, just the ones that are in it for money.

If I could put one law into effect, it might go something like this:

Anybody that made money from the backs of slaves will forfeit well over half of their family fortune to any remaining family members of past slaves.
That outta wipe the smug, tight lipped smile from their faces.

Just another opinion of mine,
Thanks WellMadeMale
elitfromnorth
Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 6:12:05 AM

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So does that mean that in Mississippi, you could actually legally up until this month keep slaves LEGALLY? Because that's just.... very interesting...

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LadyX
Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:37:25 AM

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And people wonder why I'm frightened of the "deep South" :(
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Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:47:13 PM

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All things must come to an end. Well, at least current governmental "transparency" trends make it seem so.

Woohoo!!! Now everyone can be free to enjoy the south. Come on down y'all.
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LadyX wrote:
And people wonder why I'm frightened of the "deep South" :(
Do the words ' yankee alert, Yankee alert' mean anything to you?
LadyX
Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:34:57 PM

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lovewhenuswallow wrote:
Do the words ' yankee alert, Yankee alert' mean anything to you?


LOL no, they don't. What does that mean?
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Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:50:38 PM

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LadyX wrote:


LOL no, they don't. What does that mean?
It's a southern distress call used to identify people presumed to be from the north ( Via midwestern accent or Northern license plates for example) I've witnessed this behavior on beaches in Florida, bars and interstate rest stops in Georgia. They simply yell out " "yankee alert yankee alert" when they sense a northerner in thier presence. Rather interesting and disturbing practice imo. Then again driving I 75 south thru Geogia it's not uncommon to get a few middle fingers along the way if you have 'Land of lincoln' plates on your car lol.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:28:53 PM

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Way back in the early 60's our family vacation was a trip to Florida. We're from the Chicago area and we would pile into the Chevy and drive down. This was a period of time when in the South I would see "white only" on restroom doors and water fountains, which my Dad explained to me. As a kid I thought how unfair that was and how awful life must be for black people. In Florida we stayed at a nice motel with a huge pool and a beautiful white sand beach! There was a black gentleman that was the maintenance/handy man at the motel. My Dad struck up a conversation with him and found out he was a baseball fan, which was all it took for my Dad to take an immediate liking to him. So each day my Dad would talk about the baseball scores from the previous day while the guy cleaned the pool. Then one day my Dad & I were outside the coffee shop with me enjoying an ice cream cone and Dad talking baseball with the maintenance guy (I wish I could remember his name!). A car with Alabama plates pulls up, a family of four gets out, and the Dad yells in our direction, "Boy, Boy, come get these bags!" I looked up because I thought he was yelling at me. With that the black maintenance man, in a voice I had never heard him use, says "Yassir, boss" and does a perfect Steppin Fetchit (Google it) immitation towards the car. It must have taken him 5 minutes to slowly walk 30 feet. I asked my Dad why his voice was different and why did he move so slow? Dad said it was a act of protest and disrespect toward the jerk from Alabama. My mother later told me that the all the black folks that worked in the hotels/motels had to be off the island at 5:00 pm each day, apparently it upset people from the deep south to see "colored people" walking around in the dark. I felt like I was visiting Mars, not a state in the USA.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:41:46 PM

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cheeseball wrote:
Way back in the early 60's our family vacation was a trip to Florida. We're from the Chicago area and we would pile into the Chevy and drive down. This was a period of time when in the South I would see "white only" on restroom doors and water fountains, which my Dad explained to me. As a kid I thought how unfair that was and how awful life must be for black people. In Florida we stayed at a nice motel with a huge pool and a beautiful white sand beach! There was a black gentleman that was the maintenance/handy man at the hotel. My Dad struck up a conversation with him and found out he was a baseball fan, which was all it took for my Dad to take an immediate liking to him. One day my Dad & I were outside the coffee shop with me enjoying an ice cream cone and Dad talking baseball with the maintenance guy (I wish I could remember his name!). A car with Alabama plates pulls up, a family of four gets out, and the Dad yells in our direction, "Boy, Boy, come get these bags!" I looked up because I thought he was yelling at me. With that the black maintenance man says, in a voice I had never heard him use, says "Yassir, boss" and does a perfect Steppin Fetchit (Google it) immitation towards the car. It must have taken him 5 minutes to slowly walk 30 feet. I asked my Dad why his voice was different and why did he move so slow? Dad said it was a act of protest and disrespect toward the jerk from Alabama. My mother later told me that the all the black folks that worked in the hotels/motels had to be off the island at 5:00 pm each day, apparently it upset people from the deep south to see "colored people" walking around in the dark. I felt like I was visiting Mars, not a state in the USA.


Not sure where you were vacationing, but it's the law in Palm Beach that any tradespeople can only be on "the island" between the hours of 8:00 AM and 5:00 PM. I know a guy that got arrested for being on the island around 6:00 AM because there was some awesome surf coming in and he wanted to catch some waves before going to work just up the street from the beach.

That said...

In the 70's, schools in South Florida taught different things to different students, based on their "future prospects".


Black boys were taught that they should always exercise and stay strong, because if there were ever injured or permanently disabled, then they'd not be able to find work and they'd starve, or have to turn to a life of crime to "get by".


Black girls were taught that they should always practice hard at keeping up their basic math skills, because they would have to be able to figure out their hours worked (as maids, housekeepers, nannies, or cooks) and they would have to be able to double-check their paychecks in case their employers ever "accidentally" shorted their pay.


White girls were taught that they should always keep their penmanship and etiquette skills up to date, because you never know - they may grow up to marry a rich doctor or lawyer, and if they did, they'd be expected to fit into society, where even the slightest faux pas would be cause for eternal shame.


White boys, of course, were taught that they could grow up to be anything they wanted to be...



And there were still "Whites Only" signs where you would expect them to be.




Buz
Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:48:48 PM

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I've never had a southerner try and tell me a racist joke but damn...a lot of white New Yorkers and white Bostonians will sure tell those nasty things and let the 'N' word fly when no black people are around. Its very despicable and I find their sneaky hypocritical racism to be the most offensive. I love to see their facial expression when this good ole Georgia boy tells them I don't like racial jokes and to quit using offensive racist terms in front of me. I don't hold back telling them!

Iowa has the the most Klan groups per capita in the USA. Indiana, California and Pennsylvania each have more Klan groups than Mississippi. (source: FBI)

How many sneaky secretive hate-filled racists live next to you? You may never know. It might be oh God no...a Yankee!

Food for thought...

PS. It's also very bigoted, narrow minded and ignorant to be prejudiced against a region of people. Clean up the racists and bigots in your own back yard! It looks like maybe Mississippi is still trying to address theirs and working to clean up their act. They certainly jumped on this when they saw it had slipped through the crack. I read about the race riots in Boston in the 1970s, some of the worst in US history! Seems like Boston whites were really pissed off when Boston blacks got bused to their schools. Real open minded 'yankees' wouldn't you say?

LauraLee_sugah
Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:53:33 PM

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i am pretty horrified that this thread exists to bash a state that struggles all the time and where someone was just trying to do what was legally right... there is obviously all kinds of prejudice.

i am from the south, by the way.

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My first wife and I eloped during our freshman year semester break when we were eighteen. We drove to Halifax, North Carolina, because it was the nearest county seat. I had never seen "whites only" signs before, and was appalled. That afternoon, we were walking down the sidewalk, and there were two young boys playing. An older gentleman was sitting on the stoop watching them. When he saw us coming, he said to them, "Get off the sidewalk. White folks comin'." I was quite surprised, but when I passed the two boys, I said, "Thank you," to them. They looked at me like I had three heads. That was in January, 1963.

In 1976, my mother was running for her first term in the Maryland House of Delegates. The klan burned a cross on her lawn, and threw a brick through the front window with a note tied around it. The note was barely legible, and the grammar and spelling were so poor that mom, dad, and the police had trouble figuring out what they were trying to say. After my mother died in 2011, Senator Barbara Mikulski sent me a very nice letter in which she wrote that she had always looked up to my mother as an example.

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Buz
Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:46:07 PM

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I was born in Georgia in 1986 and I am grateful that I have never seen a 'whites only' sign. I have lived in Georgia my entire life and it has been surrounded by people of different colors, ethnicities and thankfully so. The local city politicians have always been a racial mixture. Every sports team I have ever played on had everyone, blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians and even mid-easterners. Martin Luther King, Jr., a Georgian, is one of our state's most celebrated heroes and icons. The south I know is more connected to Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, both southerners, than the one I've seen in movies, which seems like some place on another planet. I grew up going to school and church with all colors of people. I truly have encountered more racists by far in northern states while on short business trips than anywhere I've been in the south in my entire life.

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Then again, seeing progress, no matter how late it may be, can bring overwhelming joy. This brought tears of happiness to my eyes:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/living/wilcox-integrated-prom/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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LadyX wrote:
Then again, seeing progress, no matter how late it may be, can bring overwhelming joy. This brought tears of happiness to my eyes:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/living/wilcox-integrated-prom/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


I live in Georgia, and until I heard this story about segregated proms I had no idea that they existed. The people that worry me are the ones who chose to attend the segregated prom instead of the integrated one.
I also wonder how many kids attended the segregated prom because their parents made them.

Things have gotten better, but they're not completely fixed.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 6:48:39 AM

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Buz wrote:
I was born in Georgia in 1986 and I am grateful that I have never seen a 'whites only' sign. I have lived in Georgia my entire life and it has been surrounded by people of different colors, ethnicities and thankfully so. The local city politicians have always been a racial mixture. Every sports team I have ever played on had everyone, blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians and even mid-easterners. Martin Luther King, Jr., a Georgian, is one of our state's most celebrated heroes and icons. The south I know is more connected to Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, both southerners, than the one I've seen in movies, which seems like some place on another planet. I grew up going to school and church with all colors of people. I truly have encountered more racists by far in northern states while on short business trips than anywhere I've been in the south in my entire life.


I'm with Buz on this one. Yeah, Miss. thing was pretty dumb. But, for the past several decades there have been plenty of black Congressman in the state Legislature that could have recified this long ago. I serioulsy doubt they or most people in the state even knew that the 13th amendment was never ratified. It's stupid and it's a shame, but let's not condemn the whole state or all of the south for it.

Like Buz, I spent my whole life going to school and working with many ethnicities. My high school was probably 50/40/10% white/black/other and we were all friends and we all got along or didn't get along based soley on who we were individually. As an adult, the overwhelming majority of racist jokes I've heard have come from someone who isn't from around here. Alot of times I felt they were traps to see if I'd laugh. I didn't, 'cause that shit ain't funny. I've also NEVER heard anyone use the term "yankee alert". This thread is the first time I've seen or read the term.

Luckily, it isn't the 1960's anymore. In the south or anywhere else for that matter.

The south I have lived in my whole life is full of good, upstanding people. Percentage wise, probably the same as anywhere else in the country. In my neck of the woods, people would give you the shirt off their backs. Invite you over for bbq or gumbo if you're hungry. Give you a beer or sweet tea if you're thirsty. Pull over on the shoulder of the road, get out of their car, and bow their heads if they came upon a funeral procession.

Would we be happier if Mississippi hadn't corrected this error?





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