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Dancing_Doll
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:57:11 AM

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LadyX wrote:
The girls sent pics to a guy, because that's sometimes what girls do. We can call it stupid if we like, and yes, it probably qualifies as such. But they didn't intend on distributing their photos, the recipients are the ones that did that.


Exactly. Plus they're just teens, and they obviously assumed some level of trust with their boyfriends. Sad.. if they were a few years older, they would have ended up on those 'my ex-gf' type sites getting posted and passed around with no control. I feel bad for those girls - it's difficult to erase those footprints all because of a miscalculation of judgement and trust in the wrong person.


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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:59:00 AM

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JohnC wrote:

It is one thing taking off the gloves, it is another to be outright insulting (not saying you have been though), and another to misrepresent what others said.


It happens, then the dust settles and we move on. If it happens enough, somebody gets a nice note from admin.

As to your previous post, people will see these issues through the lens of their own experience/bias, but clearly there's more than a whiff of slut-shame in some of the responses. You can say that both the girls and the boys are responsible, and I can say that the girls are no less victims for having acted stupidly to begin with.

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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:28:55 PM

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LadyX wrote:


It happens, then the dust settles and we move on. If it happens enough, somebody gets a nice note from admin.

As to your previous post, people will see these issues through the lens of their own experience/bias, but clearly there's more than a whiff of slut-shame in some of the responses. You can say that both the girls and the boys are responsible, and I can say that the girls are no less victims for having acted stupidly to begin with.


Oh indeed. But that is not what "I" said. ;) If you read what I wrote, I didn't say the girls were not victims. I said in addition to that, they also committed a crime. I advocated holding each party accountable for their actions, no more, and no less. Granted, others may have said otherwise, but I didn't. And it sure looks like broad brush strokes are being made on both sides.

As for the dust up, oh I understand that too. And I can see how things could get heated over a continual exchange, but that is quite different than just coming in and insulting people while not even addressing what they said. After all, as you pointed out, this is the Think Tank where discussions happen.... toast People CAN have civil disagreements and not make it personal. I have seen this happen... so I know it CAN. 3601
LadyX
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:32:12 PM

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JohnC wrote:

Oh indeed. But that is not what "I" said. ;) If you read what I wrote, I didn't say the girls were not victims. I said in addition to that, they also committed a crime. I advocated holding each party accountable for their actions, no more, and no less. Granted, others may have said otherwise, but I didn't. And it sure looks like broad brush strokes are being made on both sides.


If we didn't make broad brush strokes, these threads would be so much shorter. Lol

And I wasn't singling you out intentionally, John.
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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:36:35 PM

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LadyX wrote:


If we didn't make broad brush strokes, these threads would be so much shorter. Lol

And I wasn't singling you out intentionally, John.

Oh I know. lol Sword Fight

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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:38:58 PM

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I don't believe the girls are getting what they deserve. edit.. as in they showed their tits.. serves 'em right the little whores.. They showed their naked bodies to their boyfriends... coerced or not, that I do not know. But in this day and age, even teens know that anything you put out there is going to come back and bite you in the ass. Once you click send.... it's out of your hands. The law says sending pics of minors is illegal, it does not have an exemption for if the pics are of yourself. Which is dumb, but it's the law.

According to the original article.... "School administrators, however, weren’t completely aware of the problem until last week. The schools superintendent sent out a letter to parents Wednesday that said the posted images were “of real or simulated sexual acts… of naked or semi-naked persons.” ===== How aware were they before last week? If they were "partially" aware, what were they aware of and what did they do to protect these kids?

Also, according to another article, the pictures were also of nude/semi-nude underage boys.

We live in a technology era but the laws haven't caught up yet. It's also a crime to distribute pornography of any sort to minors. So anytime Rihanna or Lady Gaga post a topless picture on Instagram or Twitter, and a minor "follows" them... technically Rihanna and Gaga have broken the law.

Whoever, boy or girl, passed along pics that were meant to be private along to the the school should be punished. They've done wrong and need to be reprimanded. But as the original question asks, I don't believe they should be saddled with the label "sex offender" for the rest of their lives. Too me, that is way too harsh a penalty.





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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:51:59 PM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
If the article says this:

Students said it all started when two teenage girls sent naked photographs of themselves to their boyfriends using a Snapchat app, thinking the images would be deleted within 10 seconds, 1010 WINS’ Eileen Lehpamer reported. Instead, those pictures got passed around and posted on the social networking site Instagram.

People have assumed the girls just randomly decided to take naked pics and send them off but why is everyone assuming the boyfriends weren't trying to convince the girls to send them the naked pics in the first place. That's often the way it goes, to be honest. Guy says "baby, send me pics!" or sends off a dick pic and expects naked pics in return and that starts to get the sexting thing rolling. Maybe the girls were trying to dodge it for a bit but then reluctantly end up giving in and taking pics and sending them, assuming they would be deleted in 10 seconds. Then guys, anticipating naked pics, quickly screen-capture them and pass them around.

I'm not saying that's for sure what happened, but would it change anyone's assumption if the girls were cajoled, pressured or coerced into sending them in the first place?


oh, to be a teenage girl again, yeah... i'm not sure what to say here, it's not an easy subject for me for a ton of reasons. my take on it, once those pictures went from being a quick snap shot and the guy posted them publicly, it stopped being a whole lot of stupid teenage silliness and went to a whole new level. private pictures are one thing. not sure of the relationship of the girls to the guys, but it was, yes, a bad idea, probably involving peer pressure or some alcohol, and was instantly regreted. thank god for the 10 second rule, right?

the second. the very SECOND, dumbass posted pix of underage girls in a public forum, he broke the law, he became a world class douchebag, he betrayed that girl with the singular intent of embarrassing her, and yes, it's something that she'll will deal with for the rest of her life, knowing there are still copies that people saved of her. was she being stupid? yep. is that out of character for a 15 yo? nope. was she breaking the law, taking pixs of herself and sending them privately to another kid who, i am quite sure, was receptive of the idea? they were both underage at the time, and as mentioned, two minors having sex isn't wrong, it's only wrong if one of them is of age and the other isn't, that is according to THE LAW.

i feel for the girl. see, here is the point that Felix was trying to make, i think. SHE is the one whose peers are going to go "look at that slut, damn." while HIS are going around giving him high 5s' "yeah, dude, you posted naked pictures of that slut". she is the one who has to go to school everyday and face that kind of attitude. do i think that branding him as a lifetime sex offender goes too far? yeah, probably, but here's the thing, she's going to have that stigma for a very long time, it's not something you forget about, or others forget about. class reunions? yeah, great, bet she doesn't attend a lot of them knowing what kind of shit she'll have to endure, the public humiliation of it all.

for the record, when i was a teen, i did some stupid stuff, we all did, or most of us did. i used to get totally fucked up and get naked at parties or hook up and fuck with the door not closed. does the give people the licence to take pictures and post them? fuck no. yeah, sure, they can look all they want, that's my own dumb ass's fault, but once they publish them, it's a whole different matter. that's utter and total betrayal. that's morally and ethically wrong, and yet, it's accepted. go look at all the sites with naked pictures of ex girlfriends. go look at the porn of drunk girls at parties. how many of those do you think the girls went, "Ok, sure, go ahead, that's cool" do you have any idea what it feels like to have Sally call you and tell you that Joe posted pictures of you giving head to some guy in the kitchen on the internet from some party the previous weekend? it's devastating, especially for a teenager, but really, for any girl, and dammit, it's always the girl who looks bad, like i said. fucking slut, fucking whore. don't tell me that doesn't go thru some people's head, even if they don't want to admit it, even to themselves. some of us here, even.

sexual abuse always seems to brand the girl, no matter her part in it. rape victims who were asking for it because of how they dressed or acted or where they were. and it doesn't end there. after the fact, the girls who become tainted by it, who no one wants to be around or talk to them about it cause it makes them uncomfortable. who don't know what to say, so they avoid them completely. the girls who just put up with being touched inappropriately in clubs cause they know that it's just going to happen and that if they make a scene, they come off looking like some feminist lesbian bitch. the girls who don't report rape or abuse because they too scared that it will just make it worse for them. the girls who do report domestic violence and hear THIS from friends: "no, he's a good guy, you're just blowing this all out of proportion. everyone has fights. it was just one time, you PUSHED him too far, lighten up, you know he has a temper" the girls who sit there in the court and are cross examined, forced to relive this vile event over and over while they are being judged and torn apart by the defense lawyer. the girls who feel like a statistic, the ones who feel like they a nuisance every time they call the police station and ask what is going on with their case, only to find that it's been filed and forgotten about, that THEY have been forgotten about.

do you even have any idea how hard it is to say "i've been raped/molested/abused"? the shame is overwhelming. you feel GUILT! we girls talk about it in private, always in private, we ADMIT it to each other like it's some dirty secret. it IS like the Scarlet R has been branded on your forehead. god, if you guys had ANY idea of the percentage of women here, you'd cry. and this is where it begins. this girl being humiliated, being judged, told that what happened to her was her being stupid, seeing the guy get off with a warning, wondering how many girls he's done this to, will do this too, how many guys will do this to her again, how many time this happens every day to someone.... it's always going to be in the back of her mind.

so yeah, i am wandering off the subject here, but this is the thing, it's the attitude we still live with, that we're somehow even partly to blame and omg, that poor guy shouldn't be punished for being stupid and purposefully shaming, hurting, humiliating that girl. you know what kind of message that sends? is that what you want kids to believe? that it's ok? well, it's not ok. it's wrong and it cultivates an attitude.

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Nikki703
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:53:42 PM

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The girls are guilty of being naive enough to think thet pics would never be seen by the masses. Yes, technically they may have broken the law,but my original question was should this be considered child porn and should they be labeled as Sex Offenders. The answer to that, at least in my opinion is NO. Im sure the girls wish they never posted the pics, just like I wish I never posted the article, LOL!!

Edit: As for the boy who posted them on the Internet, He deserves whatever he gets. He knew what he was doing.

Be interesting to see how this all plays out. Im sure it will be on Law and Order: SVU in a few months!! HAHA
TexasSon
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:14:13 PM

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LadyX wrote:


It happens, then the dust settles and we move on. If it happens enough, somebody gets a nice note from admin.

As to your previous post, people will see these issues through the lens of their own experience/bias, but clearly there's more than a whiff of slut-shame in some of the responses. You can say that both the girls and the boys are responsible, and I can say that the girls are no less victims for having acted stupidly to begin with.



This. This is ALL I was originally saying. Period. They are BOTH responsible.

There's a lot of inferring going on with the circumstances, ie: the boy even being a "boyfriend" of the girl. That was never stated.

That the boy somehow coerced the girls, that was never stated.

Does that happen? Yes. It's despicable and unfortunate, and I damn sure do NOT defend it.

Do girls FREELY flash, tease, and show themselves off? Yes. Ever been to any Spring Break destination?

Was that the case here? I do not, and no one here cannot know for sure.

Bottom line is what I said all along: ALL parties involved are in the wrong. Period. that is not "slut shaming", witch hunting, name calling, labeling, or damning anyone.

That's just the facts. They all fucked-up.





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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:20:46 PM

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Nikki703 wrote:
The girls are guilty of being naive enough to think thet pics would never be seen by the masses. Yes, technically they may have broken the law,but my original question was should this be considered child porn and should they be labeled as Sex Offenders. The answer to that, at least in my opinion is NO. Im sure the girls wish they never posted the pics, just like I wish I never posted the article, LOL!!

Edit: As for the boy who posted them on the Internet, He deserves whatever he gets. He knew what he was doing.

Be interesting to see how this all plays out. Im sure it will be on Law and Order: SVU in a few months!! HAHA


...and why shouldn't the girls get the same in return? Are you telling me they had NO idea what they were doing posing and taking pics of themselves to begin with?!

True, they did not expect the pics to be saved & distributed. That is NO defense or excuse for irresponsible behavior.

It is, and HAS BEEN their entire lives, the age of the internet, technology, and all things easily manipulated. It's not a new concept.

Are they kids and will they act irresponsibly? Yeah... and it's truly unfortunate sometimes and has major consequences. Forgive me if I am completely incapable of conjuring up any sympathy for either them, or the boy.



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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:45:50 PM

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TexasSon wrote:


...and why shouldn't the girls get the same in return? Are you telling me they had NO idea what they were doing posing and taking pics of themselves to begin with?!

True, they did not expect the pics to be saved & distributed. That is NO defense or excuse for irresponsible behavior.

It is, and HAS BEEN their entire lives, the age of the internet, technology, and all things easily manipulated. It's not a new concept.

Are they kids and will they act irresponsibly? Yeah... and it's truly unfortunate sometimes and has major consequences. Forgive me if I am completely incapable of conjuring up any sympathy for either them, or the boy.


What the girls did was stupid, what that one boy did was malicious.

The girls posted pics of themselves and yes, they should have known that even though the site claims the pics will be deleted seconds after they are sent, there is a possibility they may somehow be copied and sent out over the internet. But like you said, it was very IRRESPONSIBLE.

The boy copied these pics without the knowledge and permission of the girls, He then sent them out over the internet full well knowing these girls were underage. That is not irresponsible, that is CRIMINAL.

If you cant see the difference, than I feel for you!

Yes, kids do stupid things. My daughter graduated HS last year and I know for a fact that sexting of pics happens quite a lot and its being done by kids younger than this. The kids know it happens, the teachers know it happens, the school admins know it happens. But usually it is ignored until something like this happens. Is it wrong, sure. But should these kids face criminal charges for being naive? Not in my opinion.

Parents need to be proactive and talk with their kids about things like this(and many others too) and not reactive once it happens. They cant be naive and say "my kid wouldnt ever do that".
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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:48:14 PM

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Depends, it the offender is the one the pic is of ( |Self Portrait) then no
But if some guy posts a picture without approval, especially a jealous or jilted ex and wants revenge, throw the book at them. I guess the same applies to jealous and jilted girls as well
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Nikki703 wrote:


What the girls did was stupid, what that one boy did was malicious.

The girls posted pics of themselves and yes, they should have known that even though the site claims the pics will be deleted seconds after they are sent, there is a possibility they may somehow be copied and sent out over the internet. But like you said, it was very IRRESPONSIBLE.

The boy copied these pics without the knowledge and permission of the girls, He then sent them out over the internet full well knowing these girls were underage. That is not irresponsible, that is CRIMINAL.

If you cant see the difference, than I feel for you!

Yes, kids do stupid things. My daughter graduated HS last year and I know for a fact that sexting of pics happens quite a lot and its being done by kids younger than this. The kids know it happens, the teachers know it happens, the school admins know it happens. But usually it is ignored until something like this happens. Is it wrong, sure. But should these kids face criminal charges for being naive? Not in my opinion.

Parents need to be proactive and talk with their kids about things like this(and many others too) and not reactive once it happens. They cant be naive and say "my kid wouldnt ever do that".


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TexasSon
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:55:40 PM

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Nikki703 wrote:


What the girls did was stupid, what that one boy did was malicious.

The girls posted pics of themselves and yes, they should have known that even though the site claims the pics will be deleted seconds after they are sent, there is a possibility they may somehow be copied and sent out over the internet. But like you said, it was very IRRESPONSIBLE.

The boy, copied these pics without the knowledge and permission of the girls, He then sent them out over the internet full well knowing these girls were underage. That is not irresponsible, that is CRIMINAL.

If you cant see the difference, than I feel for you!

Yes, kids do stupid things. My daughter graduated HS last year and I know for a fact that sexting of pics happens quite a lot and its being done by kids younger than this. The kids know it happens, the teachers know it happens, the school admins know it happens. But usually it is ignored until something like this happens. Is it wrong, sure. But should these kids face criminal charges for being naive? Not in my opinion.

Parents need to be proactive and talk with their kids about things like this(and many others too) and not reactive once it happens. They cant be naive and say "my kid wouldnt ever do that".


Agreed. I never said what he did wasn't criminal. I said that EVERYTHING that happened was criminal. Period. What they did, and what he did.

Malicious? I'll only say maybe. Dancing_Doll gave one scenario of coercion from the boy, did it happen that way? Maybe. Hell, probably. But who are any of us to assume that it did in fact happen that way?

For fuck's sake, MAYBE the boy is gay and had been getting harassed by everyone and the girls were maliciously teasing him?

Preposterous? Absolutely! Possible? Yeah, maybe...

It seems like EVERYONE is so willing to persecute the boy for doing what boys do: mean shit. NEWS-FUCKING-FLASH!

We pull your hair. We pinch your ass. We make comments about your tits, we nut punch each other... we are fucking MEAN.

Is that right? Hell no!

Do you REALLY believe this boy was trying to be fucking SATAN and ruin these girls lives? Do you really believe this boy even thought beyond his own pubescent prick and far enough ahead to realize the damage he was committing when he did it?

NO!

...and do you really think the girls are SO fucking innocent in their intentions too? They are JUST as much to blame for their shortsightedness as he is.

The whole point of the forum was: Do they deserve such harsh charges against them, and a criminal record?

No. The article even stated that there weren't any charges being pressed, but that there was a THREAT of charges IF they did not comply with the law and remove all of the images from an y devices they owned.

THAT, I agree with. Fucking nail them to the wall if they willingly and KNOWINGLY continued to posses such images.



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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:01:46 PM

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TexasSon wrote:


There's a lot of inferring going on with the circumstances, ie: the boy even being a "boyfriend" of the girl. That was never stated.



Actually, that's not an inference - that's a fact, as per the article that I quoted above.

News Article wrote:


Students said it all started when two teenage girls sent naked photographs of themselves to their boyfriends using a Snapchat app, thinking the images would be deleted within 10 seconds, 1010 WINS’ Eileen Lehpamer reported.



The circumstances surrounding why the pics were sent isn't known (whether they were requested/coerced or proactively sent). Either scenario is possible though. Regardless, you're looking at a lapse in judgement by the girls at best and some level of relationship peer pressure at the worst. Both are common stuff when you're in high school. They're already suffering in spades for their social mistake and don't deserve further blame.


Edit: For the record, I don't believe the boys should have a 'sex offender' label either.


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TexasSon wrote:


Agreed. I never said what he did wasn't criminal. I said that EVERYTHING that happened was criminal. Period. What they did, and what he did.


But in no way are the two equal. It's not even close.

Quote:



It seems like EVERYONE is so willing to persecute the boy for doing what boys do: mean shit. NEWS-FUCKING-FLASH!

We pull your hair. We pinch your ass. We make comments about your tits, we nut punch each other... we are fucking MEAN.

Is that right? Hell no!

Do you REALLY believe this boy was trying to be fucking SATAN and ruin these girls lives? Do you really believe this boy even thought beyond his own pubescent prick and far enough ahead to realize the damage he was committing when he did it?

NO!


It doesn't matter what he was trying to be, Satan or otherwise. The reality of distribution of those images is malicious in effect, and devastating for the girls depicted within.

Quote:


...and do you really think the girls are SO fucking innocent in their intentions too? They are JUST as much to blame for their shortsightedness as he is.


It doesn't matter how "innocent" you think they are. This is the tone of slut shaming that I'm talking about, by the way. And no, they're nowhere near as much to blame, all things considered. You apparently don't get it.
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TexasSon wrote:


Agreed. I never said what he did wasn't criminal. I said that EVERYTHING that happened was criminal. Period. What they did, and what he did.

Malicious? I'll only say maybe. Dancing_Doll gave one scenario of coercion from the boy, did it happen that way? Maybe. Hell, probably. But who are any of us to assume that it did in fact happen that way?

For fuck's sake, MAYBE the boy is gay and had been getting harassed by everyone and the girls were maliciously teasing him?

Preposterous? Absolutely! Possible? Yeah, maybe...

It seems like EVERYONE is so willing to persecute the boy for doing what boys do: mean shit. NEWS-FUCKING-FLASH!

We pull your hair. We pinch your ass. We make comments about your tits, we nut punch each other... we are fucking MEAN.

Is that right? Hell no!

Do you REALLY believe this boy was trying to be fucking SATAN and ruin these girls lives? Do you really believe this boy even thought beyond his own pubescent prick and far enough ahead to realize the damage he was committing when he did it?

NO!

...and do you really think the girls are SO fucking innocent in their intentions too? They are JUST as much to blame for their shortsightedness as he is.

The whole point of the forum was: Do they deserve such harsh charges against them, and a criminal record?

No. The article even stated that there weren't any charges being pressed, but that there was a THREAT of charges IF they did not comply with the law and remove all of the images from an y devices they owned.

THAT, I agree with. Fucking nail them to the wall if they willingly and KNOWINGLY continued to posses such images.


I dont want to beat_deadhorse but my only point is that girls did waht they did for fun and maybe to tease whoever they sent them too. I seriously doubt they thought they were breaking the law. As for the boy, what would be his reasoning to send them out over the internet other than to fuck over the girls, for what ever reason? Its not like he got paid for it, give me another reason why he may have done it.

I honestly believe the girls didnt expect any harm to come from this, they were just having fun. Maybe Im naive too!

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Dancing_Doll wrote:


The circumstances surrounding why the pics were sent isn't known (whether they were requested/coerced or proactively sent). Either scenario is possible though. Regardless, you're looking at a lapse in judgement by the girls at best and some level of relationship peer pressure at the worst. Both are common stuff when you're in high school. They're already suffering in spades for their social mistake and don't deserve further blame.


Edit: For the record, I don't believe the boys should have a 'sex offender' label either.


I agree. But the one who sent them over the internet should face some legal consequences, be it community service or something!

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Dancing_Doll wrote:


The circumstances surrounding why the pics were sent isn't known (whether they were requested/coerced or proactively sent). Either scenario is possible though. Regardless, you're looking at a lapse in judgement by the girls at best and some level of relationship peer pressure at the worst. Both are common stuff when you're in high school. They're already suffering in spades for their social mistake and don't deserve further blame.


Gotcha. Whew! I did miss that snippet then about them sending it to their boyfriends. Thanks!

That's actually the part that gets me though. I do get it... as much as a guy can even try to begin to possibly attempt to understand the pressure of being a girl, I really do get it.

I just can't feel sorry for them. It was stupid. It wasn't what they planned. It definitely sucks... but THEY started it. They did it. Sure, they TRUSTED that the pictures wouldn't go anywhere, but there's no way to excuse them for being that naive in this era. It's not even a new concept or risk! They've lived with the risk of extreme or unintentional exposure their whole lives... it's just another Law of Nature for their generation, as it was for mine. Mostly.

Suffering? Yeah... probably. Highschool kids are HARSH! God knows what these girls are being called, but... you don't know that. I actually wanted to be a Highschool Teacher, but there's no way in hell I will be now. Why? Because the girls are fucking evil! Hahahaha!

Are they all the conniving hotties from Wild Things? No. But for all we know, those girls aren't suffering, they just might be owning it. The only reason why I even say that is because I do know girls like that. Are they overcompensating? Are they just hiding behind a "sexy tough exterior"..?.. maybe. They're still promoting that attitude though.

...and how do we know the boy isn't suffering? I'd have kicked his ass if one of those girls were my friend. My sister. Anything. Just on principle I'd have jacked him in the jaw. He's a hero? You'd be surprised at the wonderfully moral highground a lot of teens will take when it comes to the pain of their peers. That shithead may indeed be suffering tremendously at the hands of his peers.

...his teachers. His parents and community.




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Ive been out of school for a year or two, but this wasn't a rare issue. Underage drinking and sex. Drugs. It's sad, it's going younger and younger each year. It needs to be dealt with. I'm all for second chances but I can't stand how the schools are becomming. I don't think making them sex offenders is going to solve anything and will just ruin both of their lives but something has to be done.
She's not innocent, i've never tripped and fallen naked and accidentally got caught on photo while performing a "real or simulated sex act" then accidentally sent it to someone. If your a teenager today an you don't know how to take a screenshot with an iPhone your a fucking liar or an idiot. Pardon the language but its true, there's no excuse for saying oh I thought they be deleted it's Snapchat. That's complete garbage. I take screenshots by accident multiple times a day. I have to clean out my photo library regurlaly. It's not complicated, just two buttons.

As to Felix, typically I respect your opinions and agree with you but no she's not a victim. Its like you said about testing your luck. She took a gamble that blew up in her face and now she has to deal with the consequences. Does that mean being a sex offender for life? I don't think it should, but it should be serious enough to teach her not to risk it next time. If she wants to act like an adult and take adult pictures of her body she should
be prepared to be treated like an adult and get called out on it like anyone else would.

Would the boy be treated as a victim if the girl took screenshots and spread his nude photos around? No he wouldn't, nor should she.

(edit: just to be clear I was referring to posts on page 1, I have not read through page two or the top half of page three, just one, sorry for any confusion.)
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Changed my mind...


I'm just going to stick with no one should be labelled a sex offender. Too severe.





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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:33:27 PM

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lafayettemister wrote:
Changed my mind...


I'm just going to stick with no one should be labelled a sex offender. Too severe.


I agree at least for these individuals, there's no lesson to be learned in a lifetime punishment.
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Kitanica wrote:
Ive been out of school for a year or two, but this wasn't a rare issue. Underage drinking and sex. Drugs. It's sad, it's going younger and younger each year. It needs to be dealt with. I'm all for second chances but I can't stand how the schools are becomming. I don't think making them sex offenders is going to solve anything and will just ruin both of their lives but something has to be done.
She's not innocent, i've never tripped and fallen naked and accidentally got caught on photo while performing a "real or simulated sex act" then accidentally sent it to someone. If your a teenager today an you don't know how to take a screenshot with an iPhone your a fucking liar or an idiot. Pardon the language but its true, there's no excuse for saying oh I thought they be deleted it's Snapchat. That's complete garbage. I take screenshots by accident multiple times a day. I have to clean out my photo library regurlaly. It's not complicated, just two buttons.

As to Felix, typically I respect your opinions and agree with you but no she's not a victim. Its like you said about testing your luck. She took a gamble that blew up in her face and now she has to deal with the consequences. Does that mean being a sex offender for life? I don't think it should, but it should be serious enough to teach her not to risk it next time. If she wants to act like an adult and take adult pictures of her body she should
be prepared to be treated like an adult and get called out on it like anyone else would.

Would the boy be treated as a victim if the girl took screenshots and spread his nude photos around? No he wouldn't, nor should she.

(edit: just to be clear I was referring to posts on page 1, I have not read through page two or the top half of page three, just one, sorry for any confusion.)


I completely disagree with that statement. Spinning it from the side of either sex doesn't make it any less wrong.



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Kitanica wrote:


Would the boy be treated as a victim if the girl took screenshots and spread his nude photos around? No he wouldn't, nor should she.




he would be and he should be. also, if it was another girl who spread pictures of the girls around or another guy who spread pictures of him around. gender doesn't matter, what is wrong is wrong.

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sprite wrote:

after the fact, the girls who become tainted by it, who no one wants to be around or talk to them about it cause it makes them uncomfortable. who don't know what to say, so they avoid them completely.


point, apparently, made.

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slipperywhenwet2012 wrote:


I completely disagree with that statement. Spinning it from the side of either sex doesn't make it any less wrong.


That's exactly why I said it. Neither sex committing it makes it any less wrong.
It makes no sense to treat her as only a victim when the Op's post would indicate she's a willing participant.


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Kitanica wrote:


It makes no sense to treat her as only a victim when the Op's post would indicate she's a willing participant.




Really? Point me to the part where she indicates that she's good with having her naked body sent around the world via internet, for everyone's enjoyment and her humiliation? I seem to have missed it.

I realize that you said you missed the second two pages of this thread, so I'll let you know that we've established the relative stupidity and carelessness with sending such images to begin with.

So, willing participant in what, exactly?
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As a father of both a son and a daughter, I can look at this from both sides. How it would affect boys and girls.

If this were my daughter, she'd have some serious explaining to do. And I'd speak to the boy's parents and to the boy himself. Tell him about respect and how he betrayed my little girl's trust by resending her pics to the masses. However, I would not press any charges against the little zit-riddled fucker. No, I wouldn't shame my daughter or humiliate her. But let her know, that her actions have repercussions. Which all will happen without her having any say so. Once that pic left her phone, she had no control over anything that happened after.

If it were my son, I'd hope no charges were brought, at least none that would label him as a sex offender. He's also have hell to pay with me for betraying his girlfriend... or any girl that sent him pictures. By the time I'm done with him, he'd probably wish the police would have dealt with it instead of me. He and I would both speak to and apologize to the girl and her family and I'd be open to letting them chew his ass out too!






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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:08:41 PM

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Kitanica wrote:


That's exactly why I said it. Neither sex committing it makes it any less wrong.
It makes no sense to treat her as only a victim when the Op's post would indicate she's a willing participant.




So someone screen capping a photo that was meant to disappear in a matter of seconds and putting it on the internet for ALL THE WORLD to see indicates that she was a willing participant?





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Kitanica
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LadyX wrote:


Really? Point me to the part where she indicates that she's good with having her naked body sent around the world via internet, for everyone's enjoyment and her humiliation? I seem to have missed it.

I realize that you said you missed the second two pages of this thread, so I'll let you know that we've established the relative stupidity and carelessness with sending such images to begin with.

So, willing participant in what, exactly?


Well as my terrible luck would have it that's partially what I'm referring to, figures. It's like that post about the girl being attacked from the guy she met on match. There's a certain risk you accept in doing that. I didn't read that she was coerced or forced into taking photos in the (appropriately vague) poses so I can't justify her being a victim of anything more than naivety (or stupidity if thats what were going with) unless something shows they were exploited and "victimized" I'm not saying she should be in trouble for what he did, but I'm saying she should be held accountable for her end of the situation. I don't know if party b asked for pictures of party a or party a gave pictures to party b of their own initiative but party a did contribute to an illicit act
and should be accountable for their share. That said I'm completely against the sex offender part of it, but all involved should be punished to a certain extent.

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