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LadyX
Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:05:10 PM

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I watched an interesting documentary yesterday, titled After Porn Ends. It's all about the lives of former porn stars, interviewing them about how they got into doing porn, what they felt about their experiences, and what life has been for them ever since. I'd never heard of most of the ones they focused on, as they were mostly from the 80s and 90s, though two of them are more recent than that. Either way, by the end of it, I felt like I knew who these people were.

They also had a lot of input from a couple of journalists who cover the adult industry, and from Nina Hartley, former performer turned therapist.

The thesis appears to be that the experience of being a porn star creates permanent scars regardless of who they are. Some, like MENSA member Asia Carrera, seemed to fully embrace it with her eyes open, milk it for all it was worth, and then walk away, supposedly intact. Her scars would be exposed near the end of the film.

On the other end of the spectrum is Crissy Moran, who by all accounts came into porn with a fragile disposition and was left completely (and perhaps permanently) broken by it. The look in her eyes, and the almost cowering manner in which she talks about her experiences, brings PTSD to mind. The part of her testimony that got to me was when she talked about fan mail she would get, that told her they most admired her 'innocence', when what they were really picking up on was the psychic burden of having sex with strangers on camera. In other words, that submissive quality they loved wasn't acting, it was her sense of self literally being subsumed.

Also of note was a male performer named Randy West, who apparently was Jenna Jameson's first male on-camera partner, and enjoyed a long run in the business. He now lives alone, and plays golf for charity in his (seemingly plentiful) spare time. Randy is a guy who appears gregarious and fairly centered, but when he talks about his life, the sadness in his eyes is apparent. You can tell that in many ways, he's envious of friends he has outside of the porn industry, who have normal family and social lives. There's also a surprising moment where he admits to his deep regret for not nurturing a romantic relationship with porn star Tera Patrick when he had the chance more than a decade ago.

And that's the recurring theme through all of these stories: that porn doesn't go away when it ends. One former star's teenage daughter won't let her attend any of her school functions, for fear she'll be recognized and therefore humiliate her among her classmates. Another laments that his charity opportunities are limited by his past, while well-known crooked politicians are welcomed with open arms. Another was let go by her real estate company when they discovered her past, saying that they were too high profile and depended too much on conservative clientele to take a chance on continuing their association with her.

The whole thing hits me in a personal way, too, because I have a past (and sort of present) that I'm not altogether proud of either. I've done things that aren't considered "acceptable" by wide swaths of the population. But the difference is that porn stars do it in an internationally public way. They're idolized in the darkness by the same public that treats them as pariahs in the light of day.

Much like the show Intervention, the documentary ends with a screen text post-script, telling us what is presently happening with those who were interviewed. A couple are back in porn, after professing earlier in the film their relief and pride from having emancipated themselves from it. One is in rehab, and though they don't say so, I have to think that all or most of them are in therapy. Porn never ends, even after it's over.

Highly recommended.
WellMadeMale
Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:48:35 PM

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I discovered Luke Ford's original website back in 1999, and his new website in 2006 or thereabouts. The Matt Drudge of porn? That's an apt description.

I think those who escape porn and manage to slide off into their desired obscurity are those who can best lead somewhat normal lives. There are a few, not very many however. Work hard, play harder & burn through what money they do make as performers.

Many are just living for the moment with no concern for 10-20-30 years down the road. Possibly they feel that they may not ever see forty or fifty years of age. Life flies by quickly.

If ya can't beat 'em... pay someone to do it for you.
Magical_felix
Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:40:08 PM

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For the longest time I thought wellmademale WAS Randy West.





JohnC
Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:12:27 AM

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It sounds like an interesting documentary. I have seen similar ones and your assessment is quite spot on. But your assessment of our "real world/life" experiences is also correct. Sometimes a fantasy should remain a fantasy. They are bells that you can't un-ring. And the "fun" we may have NOW can haunt us and affect us for the rest of our lives.... many times in a very negative way. So people should really consider whether their fantasy(s) are truly worth exploring past an online situation, stories, or shower/dead of night masturbation sessions.

..... and then there are others that might be perfectly fine to go full speed ahead with. ;)

Buz
Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013 10:26:03 PM

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Magical_felix wrote:
For the longest time I thought wellmademale WAS Randy West.



Jack I'm pretty sure WMM is Randy West... I think he's about to admit it and make a comeback.

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nicola
Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:02:04 PM

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Magical_felix wrote:
For the longest time I thought wellmademale WAS Randy West.


laughing9

I hope it's not the same for adult fiction site owners...my future?

Guest
Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:21:27 AM

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nicola wrote:


laughing9

I hope it's not the same for adult fiction site owners...my future?





Oh Nic after looking at this picture and thinking about your future, you have nothing to worry about...you are left handed correct? d'oh!
Magical_felix
Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:54:41 AM

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Buz wrote:


Jack I'm pretty sure WMM is Randy West... I think he's about to admit it and make a comeback.


He even has the same computer system where WMM does his research on alien hybrids, government conspiracies and other assorted crackpot notions.

nicola wrote:
I hope it's not the same for adult fiction site owners...my future?


I think we should all take a moment to knock on wood...

...

In the future, when they make a documentary on what ever happened to Lush's writers, this is where I want my interview to take place.





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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:01:14 PM

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I've watched the AVN awards on cable and you can see from the way these performers carry themselves that they're heading down that same haunted road as retired/ pastt performers. Fucking people on camera for what may or may not be a lot of money and making a living out of it, is there really anything positive to take out of that? when it's all said and done.
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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:41:08 PM

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Press always has an agenda. I don't doubt for a second that many have been broken by the industry and that they regret it, but then you also have several people who don't regret it at all, even afterwards. Read a long interview with Tera Patrick and she was in fact proud of all the movies she had done over the years. I think that in like many industries you'll have people going out with both sides of views on it. Some will regret it, while others will look back on it and smile. I think that the majority of the problem might actually be the fact that many of the people heading into the industry might have expectations about it that are far from reality. They think it'll be a bit of shagging hot guys on cam, and then reap all the reward and glamour and fame. Maybe even enjoy it a bit as well. But I doubt that any of the people in the porn industry accidentally stumbled into a porn shoot.

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WellMadeMale
Posted: Friday, April 05, 2013 3:16:20 AM

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Blood, Sweat & Sex: My Hard Life in Porn - Aurora Snow



The performers may look like they're in ecstasy, but the physical pain and endurance that goes into sex for the camera would make an NFL linebacker weep.


If ya can't beat 'em... pay someone to do it for you.
Michael
Posted: Friday, April 05, 2013 3:51:44 AM

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WellMadeMale wrote:
Blood, Sweat & Sex: My Hard Life in Porn - Aurora Snow

The performers may look like they're in ecstasy, but the physical pain and endurance that goes into sex for the camera would make an NFL linebacker weep.[/size]


"Porn actress Erin Moore admits, “the drugs we binged on were Ecstasy, Cocaine, Marijuana, Xanax, Valium, Vicodin and alcohol.” Tanya Burleson, formerly known as Jersey Jaxin, says, “Guys are punching you in the face. You get ripped. Your insides can come out of you. It’s never ending. You’re viewed as an object—not as a human with a spirit. People do drugs because they can’t deal with the way they’re being treated.”"


It is also sad to think that drugs are the only way many of these performers are filmed, or else they could not endure what they are subjected to.

malebox
Posted: Friday, April 05, 2013 6:47:09 AM

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So will life as we know it.
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Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013 4:07:27 PM

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PORN IS GONNA END!!!!?????!!!!!! OH JESUS!!!!!!! ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

xx SF

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janet_haney
Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:28:39 PM

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Thanks for the report LadyX. It was very interesting and insightful. I will look for the documentary. I hope I get a chance to watch it.
Guest
Posted: Saturday, April 13, 2013 12:33:51 AM

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Very interesting thread LadyX. I guess there are many reasons why people get involved in the porn industry. I doubt many of the "actors", when asked what they want to be when they grow up would have said "a porn star".

I do think the average Joe has double standards that are inherent. People who have nothing against homosexuality.... as long as their son/daughter isn't gay. People who aren't at all racist.... as long as "they" don't move in next door. Same with porn stars..... nothing wrong with them.... unless my son/daughter chooses to marry one.

I regard myself as an open minded woman, I admit to watching and enjoying porn myself. I do believe though, I'd be unable to not attach a stigma to the participants. They may aspire to finding fame, what they end up with is infamy.



Makavelli
Posted: Saturday, April 13, 2013 12:25:16 PM

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It is sad that most "performers" in the porn world have love for an industry that does not love them back!
Piquet
Posted: Saturday, April 13, 2013 4:06:01 PM

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Fascinating stuff. As a teen in the 70s and an avid watcher of porn in the 80s, I remember Randy West, Tera Patrick, Nina Hartly, Ron Jeremy, Bambi Benton and the rest. The demise and sad fate of John Holmes comes most readily to mind too.

Bear in mind that all the above were involved in the US porn industry. America's deep seated underlying conservatism may be a factor in the post porn attitude that most of these actors have encountered. I wonder if the same is true in Europe where attitudes are far more tolerant.

Show business, in all its forms, is a fickle and unstable industry. How many Lindsay Lohans and Amy Weinhouse's are there out there? Maybe we should take it upon ourselves to show some of these people some on-line support, they did provide us with years of entertainment after all and if anyone can sympathise, surely it is we.



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WellMadeMale
Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2013 12:31:58 AM

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Piquet wrote:
Maybe we should take it upon ourselves to show some of these people some on-line support, they did provide us with years of entertainment after all and if anyone can sympathise, surely it is we.


Your depth of compassion never ceases to elevate me, Pete.

If ya can't beat 'em... pay someone to do it for you.
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