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affengeil
Posted: Sunday, July 14, 2013 11:04:06 AM

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Hi!

My apologies if this has been addressed before...I haven't come across it yet.

Question for you all: What are your preferences and thoughts when it comes to the length of the lead-in to a story? If the primary sexual encounter of the story is the "climax" (punned!), how much is too much when it comes to the non-sexual setting of the stage? I ask because whenever I write something new, I worry that somebody reading it is sitting there going "get to the good stuff already!"

My opinion is that I prefer enough lead-in to provide context and detail that makes the "good stuff" seem at least a little bit plausible, and I try to work that into my stories. I feel like providing that kind of content makes the sexual parts hotter.

Should I:
A) Keep doing as I'm doing
B) Keep the lead-in as short as possible
C) Stop worrying about it and just write the damn story

Thanks in advance for your input!

Metilda
Posted: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:41:23 PM

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Well - here on lush some of the people come just to read the stories as porn and get off to it. (I'm not complaining - just defining part of the audience)

Others might come to find good romance/erotica that focuses on the build-up and character development quite a bit more.

Others come for both - it depends on what mood they're in.

I'm one of the 3rd. I appreciate it all, it depends on my mood. I love romance, I love erotica, I love a little bit of everything thrown in from suspense to violence (frowned on here at lush) within the story line.

I do not need them to have sex right away - and often - I NEED that character lead-in and build up before the sex so I can go on the sensual journey with the characters and become immersed in their reality. One of my favorite romance stories - they don't have sex til after they marry . . .that's 2 years worth of story development - I was more than happy to wait.

Other favorite stories of mine have a tense relationship - and sex happens maybe once or twice.

Someone commented on my one and only 2-chapter story saying they didn't like the first chapter (5,000 words or so) because they didn't have sex right away. Sorry - but there's a category for 'quickies' where people get together and in a short word-limit span of time they have sex or masturbate, etc.

.... and you know what? Oh well - they didn't like it too much. . . not my problem. :) I don't have to put a sexual situation in every single chapter I write if I don't want to - my tag lines will note if it's not there, that's the only bone I'll throw (pun intended). . . I still noted he went on to read the 2nd chapter - and that was a sign that I still wrote a good story. He could have quit reading 1/2 way through the first if it was a major put-off. So that at least showed me I created intrigue.

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WellMadeMale
Posted: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:43:31 PM

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affengeil wrote:
Hi!

My apologies if this has been addressed before...I haven't come across it yet.





Well, you weren't inputting the correct search criteria, but then again, you're not the first to either admit such or ignore such. Play on, I say. Please try a bit more - in the future.

And - (not to the original poster) but to the rest of you haters...

Fuck off. Why?

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Lisa
Posted: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:22:24 PM

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affengeil wrote:
My opinion is that I prefer enough lead-in to provide context and detail that makes the "good stuff" seem at least a little bit plausible, and I try to work that into my stories. I feel like providing that kind of content makes the sexual parts hotter.


For me it depends on the relationship between the characters. If you're writing about a couple in a long-term relationship you don't really need a big lead-up to the sex scene because their relationship is already established. If the story involves characters who've never slept together before I'd generally want to read about how they met and what brought them to the point where their relationship became sexual. There are exceptions to this though, because I've read some good "quickie" stories between strangers where there was no backstory and the sex was hot.

I think the main thing is just to make sure there's tension and only add information that helps the story progress, that way your readers will want to keep reading and it won't really matter how much of a build-up you write.
affengeil
Posted: Sunday, July 14, 2013 11:28:53 PM

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Metilda wrote:
Well - here on lush some of the people come just to read the stories as porn and get off to it. (I'm not complaining - just defining part of the audience)


I think I made the assumption this is everyone. Makes perfect sense that it's not though.

Metilda wrote:
I'm one of the 3rd. I appreciate it all, it depends on my mood. I love romance, I love erotica, I love a little bit of everything thrown in from suspense to violence (frowned on here at lush) within the story line.


...and if one person feels that way, then so do a thousand others.

WellMadeMale wrote:


Well, you weren't inputting the correct search criteria, but then again, you're not the first to either admit such or ignore such. Play on, I say. Please try a bit more - in the future.


OK, fine, you got me. I didn't try very hard. Embarassed

WellMadeMale wrote:

And - (not to the original poster) but to the rest of you haters...

Fuck off. Why?

Because I can.


Did I miss something here?

Lisa wrote:


For me it depends on the relationship between the characters. If you're writing about a couple in a long-term relationship you don't really need a big lead-up to the sex scene because their relationship is already established. If the story involves characters who've never slept together before I'd generally want to read about how they met and what brought them to the point where their relationship became sexual. There are exceptions to this though, because I've read some good "quickie" stories between strangers where there was no backstory and the sex was hot.

I think the main thing is just to make sure there's tension and only add information that helps the story progress, that way your readers will want to keep reading and it won't really matter how much of a build-up you write.


That's kind of what I was thinking (although wouldn't have explained it as wel).


Thanks for the input!!


WellMadeMale
Posted: Monday, July 15, 2013 1:06:04 AM

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affengeil wrote:




Did I miss something here?




No mate, you did fine... all's good. Welcome to Lush.

I was lushlyposting last night, and preemptively preempting.

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Posted: Monday, July 15, 2013 1:20:05 AM

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To me this all depends on the story and how it's written. If you can captivate the reader and draw them in, you can write several thousand words before the erotic elements heat up. However, it it drags and the urge to skip ahead kicks in, then your readers will lose interest. Read back what you've written. If you become bored with it, you can be certain your readers will.

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Posted: Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:51 AM

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Well Made Male wrote: I was lushlyposting last night, and preemptively preempting.

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Posted: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:07:18 AM

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As a writer as well as a reader, I like a bit of buildup to the story before the clothes come off and the action starts. I like to see well-developed, believable characters, and a descriptive scene unfolding.

Unlike the typical porn movie (which we all know are not made for the plots) I like the buildup to the action. And anyone who has read My own work knows that teasing is My favorite thing! I am not really hung up on details and their accuracy, so long as it is plausible. But yes, the writer who can help Me visualize and puts me "into" the story will have My attention throughout.

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Posted: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:25:29 AM

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It all depends on my mood; this is as a writer and a reader. Sometimes when I'm writing I feel the need to just write just about the sex with a little buildup. Sometimes I'm in the mood for a longer one.

If I’m inspired or my fingers are like “Hey! Let’s keep writing!” and I just don’t stop. It’s just more of a how you feel about it. Some people don’t like reading longer stories on Lush. Some people actually like reading the longer ones.

I’ve personally only read a few that were really long. That’s mostly because it’s hard to stare at a screen for so long reading, and since we can’t save our spot or anything it just doesn’t make sense to read them. Sometimes, of course, it’s worth it!


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DanielleX
Posted: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:34:45 PM

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It depends. I'm one for fairly long, non-sexual intros, with character development. At other times, I'm straight into the action.



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seeker4
Posted: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:35:47 PM

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As a reader, I like a little context; something to make me feel that I'm reading about two human being having sex instead of two preprogrammed sex machines going through the motions. One can take this too far, of course, and end up with a mainstream story that happens to have a bit of sex. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not what I come to Lush for.

As a writer, I try to put that context in but the degree varies. In some stories, I start with backstory and development leading into the "action". In others, I get to the action sooner and salt the backstory throughout, dropping hints and facts as the characters interact. Both can work as long as you avoid having "backstory" turn into "infodumps" - long expository passages that really don't advance the story much.

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sprite
Posted: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:28:14 PM

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it's called Lush Stories, not Lush Porn. it's a site for erotic stories. that word is important to me. stories. not scenes, not porn. stories. that's, obviously, just me, but yeah, i like plot, i like character, i like tales. it's hard for me to get into something, no matter how hot, if i don't have a good feel for the characters involved.
Buz
Posted: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:25:33 PM

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Its best to start with some build up. Let the audience get to know your characters before they get all hot and sweaty. However, some really talented and experienced writers can pull off a sexual sprint at the beginning. But as Louis Armstrong once said about jazzing up a song, that he would first play it straight a thousand times before he started jazzing it up. So figure out what you are doing, develop it and get really good at and then start exploring.

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RumpleForeskin
Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2013 10:59:08 AM

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(wild cheering for Sprite's comment)

The primary purpose of an opening is NOT to inform the reader, but to hook them into reading more of the story. This is hard enough, but trying to pull it off in a opening backstory is a huge challenge best avoided if at all possible...IMO.

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sepprincess685
Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:34:44 AM

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Opening Hook & Back story length should really be about 3 paragraphs six-eight lines long. You don't want to bore the reader for too long because they just want to get to the point.

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Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:08:00 PM

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First, hello to everyone, this is my first post here. Before I start making a fool of myself, I want to say thank you to everyone for posting all those yummy stories here :)

My philosphy is that characters and backstory are the bread and butter of a story, in that order. Keeping it to so many paragraphs or lines is, unless in a drabble fic, counter productive to my creativity. The important thing is not to avoid backstory, but to go back and edit it until it isn't plain backstory anymore. There are just so many ways to turn description into action. Weave it into direct speech, disassemble it into small parts that are interspersed with talk, action and - most important - small suspense building events. Like a dirty phone talk in public, an awkward slip of the tongue, things like that. It's never too late to sprinkle small erotic bits into a page of scene layout, and if you also manage to add a small bit of humor or a healthy dose of fear and relief, you've got all the spices on the bread-and-butter base to keep the reader entertained. And sometimes those reassembled backstory parts take on a life of their own and the best scenes and most beautiful openings come from them.

So yes, I'd always support going with option C :)


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Posted: Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:05:28 PM

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There is not a formula. Sometimes a longer back story/lead in is necessary and other times it will work better to have a shorter lead in. You do need a back story/lead in, but use your own judgement. If you feel its dragging on too long then it probably is. If you've gotten to the sexy part and then feel you need some more background, go back and add it.

Remember though, not every reader will see it the same. No matter how successful, well scored or how much serious acclaim it receives, there will always be someone who doesn't like it. Don't worry about them. You will never please everyone. Do your best to create an interesting and entertaining high quality erotic story. Once you feel you've done that then post it. You will get feedback and the more your write, the better you should get.

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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:34:58 AM

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RumpleForeskin wrote:


The primary purpose of an opening is NOT to inform the reader, but to hook them into reading more of the story. This is hard enough, but trying to pull it off in a opening backstory is a huge challenge best avoided if at all possible...IMO.

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this is really key for me... typically a lot of stories here start with... my name is jill, i have blue eyes, blonde hair, i'm 120 pounds with DD tits... that's not a hook for me, that's not a story, that's a list. authors; draw your audience in - make the first paragraph grab them and MAKE them want to read more - stand out. Think of your favorite not erotica story - does it start with a list of physical attribute for the main character? no, it finds a way to set the scene, the tone, the setting - and it hooks you into wanting to read more - you can sneak the rest in later, but first, make someone want to read your story - personally, i tend to gloss over all that stuff or worse, just put it aside and go find something else.
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affengeil wrote:

My opinion is that I prefer enough lead-in to provide context and detail that makes the "good stuff" seem at least a little bit plausible, and I try to work that into my stories.


Yeah, you do seem to imply that the sex scene is the only "good" part...and the rest of the story is almost irrelevant...and you say something in a later post to the effect that you assume most people here only come here for the sex scene...

Heck, to me at least most of the best stories could stand on their own without the sex scene...if all I wanted was a sex scene, I'd go right to a video site and skip all this reading crap...Regaeman Man



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Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 1:20:59 AM

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As a writer and reader, I love the build up. Even in my 'stroke story' ("Shelby's Surprise") I have a lead-in. It's a sexy one, but still a lead-in.

I find myself enjoying a heated scene if I've got some kind of connection with one or both characters. Especially if there's been some leading tension that I can ride. Immediate sex doesn't have the same response, not all the time. I'll agree completely with Alan (DirtyMartini) on that one. In fact, the first two chapters of my trilogy are no-sex, just backstory and foreplay.

And I'm all in with what Sprite said: we're an EROTICA site, not a porn site. Also as Alan said, (in my own words, of course) if I just wanted a one-off, I'd go look at some porn or something and skip this reading stuff!

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My best suggestion is to go with what you like to write. If you're really interested in high scores and votes then you need to play to your audience a little, but barring that, write a story that you enjoy. It's pretty much guaranteed that some of the 204,000 member of lush will also enjoy it.

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sprite wrote:


this is really key for me... typically a lot of stories here start with... my name is jill, i have blue eyes, blonde hair, i'm 120 pounds with DD tits... that's not a hook for me, that's not a story, that's a list. authors; draw your audience in - make the first paragraph grab them and MAKE them want to read more - stand out. Think of your favorite not erotica story - does it start with a list of physical attribute for the main character? no, it finds a way to set the scene, the tone, the setting - and it hooks you into wanting to read more - you can sneak the rest in later, but first, make someone want to read your story - personally, i tend to gloss over all that stuff or worse, just put it aside and go find something else.


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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2013 4:19:40 PM

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affengeil wrote:
What are your preferences and thoughts when it comes to the length of the lead-in to a story? If the primary sexual encounter of the story is the "climax" (punned!), how much is too much when it comes to the non-sexual setting of the stage?


It depends on the story. Are they a married couple; did they meet an hour ago; or are they a couple co-workers who have been flirting for years when things ... just ... happen?
RumpleForeskin
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:07:09 PM

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NaughtyNurse wrote: what super girl said. she's rarely wrong

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Correct as usual, super nurse writer. Of course, there was that time she said of Alan and moi, and I quote from memory, "For a couple clueless, single-digit IQ, drunken hacks you two are okay." Granted, she got four out of five right but still... .

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