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Jam_Wil_Mac
Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:37:40 AM

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lafayettemister wrote:
There's a lot of talk about we shouldn't let these images affect women's self image. That's easily said. Lots of strong confident women in this thread. But what about some 15 yr old girl who is just barely overweight or plump. Not fat, but totally normal. Is she going to look at all the marketing targeted toward her and not feel guilty or shame or inadequate? Anorexia and bulimia are well know problems for young girls. Something is influencing these girls to try to be skinnier than their bodies should be. It's our job as parents to offset the bad images and ideas our girls get from tv, movies, music, magazines, whatever.. sadly not all girls have a good support system to overcome it.

It's all a double edged sword though. If we acknowledge that media images negatively impact young women in society then we also have to accept that violent images also negatively affect our young people. Or that sex on tv and in movies leads to young people having more sex (which, i'm not saying is a good or bad thing, just that it has an impact).

I have a young daughter and I tell her daily how much I love her. I let her know she's beautiful, but not so much or in a way to have her grow up to be a cocky snob. All part of being a good parent.


This is not the same. These photoshopped images are being directly targeted at girls to tell them this is what you should look like and you are rubbish until you do. The violence and sex on tv or video games are not telling people you are not good until you do these things. The social pariahs who say that violence and sex, etc should be banned, in my honest opinion, are lazy parents who are taking the wrong stand. Rather than hide your child from these things, at the right time talk to the child about them and what they are and why some things are wrong. That is being a parent. The groups who demand total "cleanliness" in the media, by and large, just dont want to accept that these things exist and want them removed so that they can pretend they dont. Again as I said before, if we as a people as one, accept that marketting is marketting and ignore these photoshopped images and people learn to accept natural beauty then this will all go away. The nonsensical idea that because a marketting company says something is so, makes it so, is horse shit. I have stood against what "society" has been told and has preached my whole life. I don't accept photoshopped "beauty" and have outwardly spoken out against it, often to ridicule. But I am proud of the fact that I like a woman to be a woman, not an artificial idealisation of some random hack's fantasy. Society for years told us that segregation of ethnic minorities was ok and that homosexuality was to be attacked, yet we still accept these photos. Absolutely not for me.

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Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:08:44 PM

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Jam_Wil_Mac wrote:


This is not the same. These photoshopped images are being directly targeted at girls to tell them this is what you should look like and you are rubbish until you do. The violence and sex on tv or video games are not telling people you are not good until you do these things. The social pariahs who say that violence and sex, etc should be banned, in my honest opinion, are lazy parents who are taking the wrong stand. Rather than hide your child from these things, at the right time talk to the child about them and what they are and why some things are wrong. That is being a parent. The groups who demand total "cleanliness" in the media, by and large, just dont want to accept that these things exist and want them removed so that they can pretend they dont. Again as I said before, if we as a people as one, accept that marketting is marketting and ignore these photoshopped images and people learn to accept natural beauty then this will all go away. The nonsensical idea that because a marketting company says something is so, makes it so, is horse shit. I have stood against what "society" has been told and has preached my whole life. I don't accept photoshopped "beauty" and have outwardly spoken out against it, often to ridicule. But I am proud of the fact that I like a woman to be a woman, not an artificial idealisation of some random hack's fantasy. Society for years told us that segregation of ethnic minorities was ok and that homosexuality was to be attacked, yet we still accept these photos. Absolutely not for me.


It doesn't matter how something is marketed, if young people see things they'll be influenced. Not all images girls see are photoshopped into ads. There's plenty of influence in the girls/young women that are in beauty pageants, star in movies and sitcoms, music videos. Most of the girls on Glee are young, skinny, good looking girls. Nickolodean and Disney channel too. Images don't have to be photoshopped to be influential. The actresses on tv that have already been influenced are furthering the negative images in how hard they work to stay skinny for their careers.

I never said violence or sex should be banned. In fact, I agree with you that parents should be involved in their kids' lives and teach them about sex and violence. My son plays Xbox, he has Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed and several other violent games. But I've talked to him about them, before he got them and after he'd played them. He enjoys playing his games, but I don't allow him to play anything for several hours straight and allow some fantasy life to replace real life.

Giving young girls an unfair or unrealistic view of themselves is bad, no argument there. As parents, WE must overcome that by raising our girls (and boys) no to judge, to be confident in themselves, to do what's right for themselves, and to be true to who and what they are. I stand by my comments that violence can have an affect of our youth if there's no good parenting to offset it. It's up to us to show our daughters and sons what true natural beauty is, as is our duty to teach them that violence isn't the answer.

I see your point about minorities and homosexuality, I just don't think it's a valid comparison. Minorities had no choice in segregation, homosexuals had no choice in how society viewed and accepted verbal and physical attacks on them. We do have a choice (to a degree) on what shows, magazines, whatever that our kids watch and we can work to let them know the reality behind it all. A minority in the 1920's may have known segregation was wrong and evil and not wanted to be segregated, but they were powerless to do anything to stop it.





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And how much of this image is photo-shopped?

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Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 5:19:18 PM

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lafayettemister wrote:


It doesn't matter how something is marketed, if young people see things they'll be influenced. Not all images girls see are photoshopped into ads. There's plenty of influence in the girls/young women that are in beauty pageants, star in movies and sitcoms, music videos. Most of the girls on Glee are young, skinny, good looking girls. Nickolodean and Disney channel too. Images don't have to be photoshopped to be influential. The actresses on tv that have already been influenced are furthering the negative images in how hard they work to stay skinny for their careers.

I never said violence or sex should be banned. In fact, I agree with you that parents should be involved in their kids' lives and teach them about sex and violence. My son plays Xbox, he has Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed and several other violent games. But I've talked to him about them, before he got them and after he'd played them. He enjoys playing his games, but I don't allow him to play anything for several hours straight and allow some fantasy life to replace real life.

Giving young girls an unfair or unrealistic view of themselves is bad, no argument there. As parents, WE must overcome that by raising our girls (and boys) no to judge, to be confident in themselves, to do what's right for themselves, and to be true to who and what they are. I stand by my comments that violence can have an affect of our youth if there's no good parenting to offset it. It's up to us to show our daughters and sons what true natural beauty is, as is our duty to teach them that violence isn't the answer.

I see your point about minorities and homosexuality, I just don't think it's a valid comparison. Minorities had no choice in segregation, homosexuals had no choice in how society viewed and accepted verbal and physical attacks on them. We do have a choice (to a degree) on what shows, magazines, whatever that our kids watch and we can work to let them know the reality behind it all. A minority in the 1920's may have known segregation was wrong and evil and not wanted to be segregated, but they were powerless to do anything to stop it.


Actually, it's a very good comparison, we did all have a choice and that is why the perception of homosexuality and the segregation of ethnic minorities has now ended, or is at least known to be wrong.

Children will be influenced by everything around them, but depending on how the parent has taught and trained them to perceive things, it doesn't mean that they will automatically want to be like that. I am living proof. The Disney channel, et al,, are horrendous for who they pick and choose for which roles. I have gone to great lengths to explain to my nephews that what they see on tv and in the rest of the media is not real life and it is an interpretation of it. Thankfully, it has seemingly sunk it between my words and their parent's fantastic parenting.

However, the issue still remains that what society and the media project is bullshit, and we, as a collective, have to move against that.

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Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:33:43 AM

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That amount of Photoshopping is seriously dishonest, though I understand why they do it. It's a shame that girls actually try to emulate those ideals; that whole thigh gap thing being a great example.
I've never felt much pressure to change my body drastically since I was raised to believe that mental pursuits are far more appealing. I wish more women felt that way, it would save them a lot of unhappiness.

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perhaps we need more of this kind of marketing.

Australia is now ranked number 4 in the world obesity stakes. I think it's going to take a very long time for some young people to learn that a healthy mind and body is the most important thing in life. Education from the cradle is essential for this. Self-improvement for one's own sake and not for others' acceptance is so difficult when youth are bombarded with all the marketing trickery of today.



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There is a certain age when girl's become aware of their looks and what that means in the world. Read Raising Ophelia. Girls can be confident and then they understand what their looks mean and then their confidence evaporates unless they can build it back. No one purposely sends out images to harm girls but maybe the issue is bigger than blaming marketing images.
It is sort of like the studies on men being tall. Because men do have their own pressures physically.
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Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2013 3:41:05 AM

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Tranquil wrote:


I show this to my teenage daughter, she was shocked as she really thought these girls looked that great with maybe a slight touch up.

so i wonder if the youth of today will have more crisis's in future then ever before due to this?


It's not just girls, it goes for both genders, media is also full of how guys are supposed to look like (six packs, smooth, big muscles..etc).

Teen boys are taking harmful steroids, hormones and other supplements for that very reason.

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Wildcat wrote:


perhaps we need more of this kind of marketing.

Australia is now ranked number 4 in the world obesity stakes. I think it's going to take a very long time for some young people to learn that a healthy mind and body is the most important thing in life. Education from the cradle is essential for this. Self-improvement for one's own sake and not for others' acceptance is so difficult when youth are bombarded with all the marketing trickery of today.





I agree with this message.

Neither extremes is really atttactive (obesity and underweight).

I find the above women way more attractive than the Anorexic catwalk models.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:28:22 AM

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Your average pornstar looks relatively unattractive without makeup on. The media is shallow and it always has been.

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Posted: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:00:03 PM

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Actually, this is nothing new, it's as old as mankind and art. Females have always have a problem with feeling insecure about their bodies if theirs didn't conform to the "preference" of the age. The message was conveyed differently (Rueben's didn't advertise on TV) but women have in previous times felt "inadequate" if they weren't what are now referred to as "plus size". Just like any other "fashion" it has come full cycle. Oh, and it isn't JUST porn stars; many HOLYWOOD stars look like Hell until the make up crew gets through with them!

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Can I just add that almost nobody looks fabulous without their hair and makeup done? I know many like to think that the "au naturale" look is preferable, but it's very rare for somebody to truly look great and beautiful with no makeup on. I'm generally a defender of the media as a mirror to what consumers want, but these "haha look how fugly (insert celebrity) is without makeup!" pics are truly reprehensible. Your average pornstar or celebrity is no different from any of the rest of us in that attention to makeup and hair (and clothing) does wonders for our appearance on a daily basis.
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LadyX wrote:
Can I just add that almost nobody looks fabulous without their hair and makeup done? I know many like to think that the "au naturale" look is preferable, but it's very rare for somebody to truly look great and beautiful with no makeup on. I'm generally a defender of the media as a mirror to what consumers want, but these "haha look how fugly (insert celebrity) is without makeup!" pics are truly reprehensible. Your average pornstar or celebrity is no different from any of the rest of us in that attention to makeup and hair (and clothing) does wonders for our appearance on a daily basis.


While the vast majority of what you say IS true, I would argue that the "before and after" shots of celebs "known" to be "glamorous" can be of help to those with a negative self image in that it points up that "HEY, not only aren't you alone in that BUT..." dontknow

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What is truly tragic is that women tend to judge their self-worth on their physical appearance rather than their accomplishments. If you determine your worth by comparing yourself to others, you will forever be disappointed. There will always be someone smarter, prettier, and more successful. Furthermore, your appearance diminishes with age, which will leave you feeling less valuable each and every day. I believe this stems from the traditional role of women that teaches us that the most important thing for us is to attract a man and that the best way to attract one is to appeal to their physical senses. We need to give up that stupid, out-dated way of thinking. We need to teach our daughters that independence is far more important: financial and emotional. That is unless you want her to marry a man that is perpetually trying to replace her with a younger, sleeker model.

Your average man doesn't want a strong, independent woman. They prefer us to be reliant on them. That way we are afraid to leave them. When they have that assurance, it gives them license to cheat on us and abuse us physically, emotionally, sexually, and even financially. Good men are different. They aren't intimidated by a strong, independent woman. They look for a woman to share their life with, not take from. They love you for who you are, and unless one of you become a radically different person, they will continue to love you. These are the men worth marrying, and I haven't found one of them yet that is looking to share their life with someone so superficial that appearance is their top priority.

Happiness originates from within, and the key to finding it is simple: establish realistic goals aimed at making you a better person and then strive to attain them. If you do that, when you look back on your life you will be greeted by accomplishments that you can be proud of. It doesn't come from what you have or even who you have. Personally, I would much rather have a man that loves me for who I am than for what I look like, and I find loving myself for who I am to be far more rewarding.


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Kinky_Becky wrote:
What is truly tragic is that women tend to judge their self-worth on their physical appearance rather than their accomplishments. If you determine your worth by comparing yourself to others, you will forever be disappointed. There will always be someone smarter, prettier, and more successful. Furthermore, your appearance diminishes with age, which will leave you feeling less valuable each and every day. I believe this stems from the traditional role of women that teaches us that the most important thing for us is to attract a man and that the best way to attract one is to appeal to their physical senses. We need to give up that stupid, out-dated way of thinking. We need to teach our daughters that independence is far more important: financial and emotional. That is unless you want her to marry a man that is perpetually trying to replace her with a younger, sleeker model.

Your average man doesn't want a strong, independent woman. They prefer us to be reliant on them. That way we are afraid to leave them. When they have that assurance, it gives them license to cheat on us and abuse us physically, emotionally, sexually, and even financially. Good men are different. They aren't intimidated by a strong, independent woman. They look for a woman to share their life with, not take from. They love you for who you are, and unless one of you become a radically different person, they will continue to love you. These are the men worth marrying, and I haven't found one of them yet that is looking to share their life with someone so superficial that appearance is their top priority.

Happiness originates from within, and the key to finding it is simple: establish realistic goals aimed at making you a better person and then strive to attain them. If you do that, when you look back on your life you will be greeted by accomplishments that you can be proud of. It doesn't come from what you have or even who you have. Personally, I would much rather have a man that loves me for who I am than for what I look like, and I find loving myself for who I am to be far more rewarding.


There is a lot of validity to much of what you say. There is however one small problem. Being female you fully well know that every girl is well aware before she ever reaches puberty that the primary sense of most males is VISION. And, that in turn not only leads to the aforementioned problems, it also means that for the great vast majority of males initial attraction is nearly ALWAYS physical (nevermind the fact that in order to BE functional lovers to you SOME level of attraction is requisite to arousal.) And, therein lies the flaw in this aspect of the feminine manifesto.

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As a teen, I was somewhat self-conscious about my looks and what the media showed. I didn't have the porcelain skin, blonde hair, blue eyes, stick-thin figure and an Amazon. Yet, I had to fend off unwanted advances from grown-ass men who would've taken advantage of me in the worst way possible, but that's for another topic of discussion. I learned to love myself and the flaws I have that makes me an individual. Now as an adult, I look at the overly Photoshopped images and know that I love my wide hips, big butt, big boobs, dark eyes and dark skin. I would rather be a size 16 than have my image whittled to a size -6 any day of the week. I would like to see more images of curvy women in magazines and portrayed as classy women, instead of a stereotypical role on television and movies.

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LadySharon wrote:
As a teen, I was somewhat self-conscious about my looks and what the media showed. I didn't have the porcelain skin, blonde hair, blue eyes, stick-thin figure and an Amazon. Yet, I had to fend off unwanted advances from grown-ass men who would've taken advantage of me in the worst way possible, but that's for another topic of discussion. I learned to love myself and the flaws I have that makes me an individual. Now as an adult, I look at the overly Photoshopped images and know that I love my wide hips, big butt, big boobs, dark eyes and dark skin. I would rather be a size 16 than have my image whittled to a size -6 any day of the week. I would like to see more images of curvy women in magazines and portrayed as classy women, instead of a stereotypical role on television and movies.


Based on what you wrote there, especially the last sentence, I'm curious to know your opinion of Christina Hendricks or more accurately the marketing of her. Anyone else please feel free to comment as well.
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BikeBoy wrote:


Based on what you wrote there, especially the last sentence, I'm curious to know your opinion of Christina Hendricks or more accurately the marketing of her. Anyone else please feel free to comment as well.


Christina Hendricks is marketed as a classic bombshell. There's even a throwback quality to the way in which she's marketed, which dovetails nicely with her role on the period-piece show she stars in (Mad Men). So yes, of course there are exceptions, but that doesn't mean that the norm is challenged.
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Wildcat wrote:


perhaps we need more of this kind of marketing.

Australia is now ranked number 4 in the world obesity stakes. I think it's going to take a very long time for some young people to learn that a healthy mind and body is the most important thing in life. Education from the cradle is essential for this. Self-improvement for one's own sake and not for others' acceptance is so difficult when youth are bombarded with all the marketing trickery of today.





Correct me if I'm reading that ad copy wrong but is Dove suggesting that using their Dove Firming soap will have a toning, slimming effect? Marketing trickery perhaps. dontknow
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There is a lot of validity to much of what you say. There is however one small problem. Being female you fully well know that every girl is well aware before she ever reaches puberty that the primary sense of most males is VISION. And, that in turn not only leads to the aforementioned problems, it also means that for the great vast majority of males initial attraction is nearly ALWAYS physical (nevermind the fact that in order to BE functional lovers to you SOME level of attraction is requisite to arousal.) And, therein lies the flaw in this aspect of the feminine manifesto.



See, you are one of those "less than average" males. You assume that we NEED you. Being independent means I don't NEED you for anything. Men are generally crappy companions, particularly inferior males that think we need to lure men with our physical appearance. I would much prefer the companionship of another woman. For sex, a vibrator has never failed to satisfy me, while men rarely do so. No, I would prefer to find a man that looks deeper. I must be onto something--I've been happily married for 23 years.

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See, you are one of those "less than average" males. You assume that we NEED you. Being independent means I don't NEED you for anything. Men are generally crappy companions, particularly inferior males that think we need to lure men with our physical appearance. I would much prefer the companionship of another woman. For sex, a vibrator has never failed to satisfy me, while men rarely do so. No, I would prefer to find a man that looks deeper. I must be onto something--I've been happily married for 23 years.



Everyone is entitled to an opinion, the rules here won't allow for me to state mine of some arrogant wonder who presumes to KNOW me after reading a few words posted on the internet. That said the sorry excuse for manhood who has put up with a controlling, self loving marvel like you must think even less of himself than you clearly think of me! Oh, and your last statement clearly belies the sheer BULLSHIT that went before it. If you've "...been happily married for 23 years" then you had SOME need of him and evidently consummated the marriage at some point. That in turn MEANS that he MUST of necessity have found your appearance ATTRACTIVE to him as he otherwise would have been incapable of so doing. Feel free to look down your nose at me and lecture me the day you take off the "know it all" blindfold and see reality for what it is! Have a nice day in your "I'm perfect" world. 588-rolleyes

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Everyone is entitled to an opinion, the rules here won't allow for me to state mine of some arrogant wonder who presumes to KNOW me after reading a few words posted on the internet. That said the sorry excuse for manhood who has put up with a controlling, self loving marvel like you must think even less of himself than you clearly think of me! Oh, and your last statement clearly belies the sheer BULLSHIT that went before it. If you've "...been happily married for 23 years" then you had SOME need of him and evidently consummated the marriage at some point. That in turn MEANS that he MUST of necessity have found your appearance ATTRACTIVE to him as he otherwise would have been incapable of so doing. Feel free to look down your nose at me and lecture me the day you take off the "know it all" blindfold and see reality for what it is! Have a nice day in your "I'm perfect" world. 588-rolleyes


Is it any wonder he's single ladies? Someone incapable of seeing a woman as anything more than a physical object, knowing attraction based only on appearance. He is why fleshlights were invented. Just think, because I don't need a man to make me happy, this jackass thinks I'm arrogant and controlling. Is this the kind of asshole you want your sons to grow up to be or your daughters to marry?

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It is so fucking hard not to feel absolutely disgusted with yourself when you look at these images. It is so so hard. People actually don't understand that by looking at these images you feel like you have to conform. They are all around you. Even the people around you seem to look like absolute models. The clothes at the store only seem to be selling item aimed at a specific audience.

It's like when you walk into a store and you see the perfect dress. I lures you in and you ask the sales person if they have one in your size and they say no. And then you look around you. I mean you really look.
1. the Sales person is incredible beautiful and perfect
2. the people in the store are amazingly gorgeous
3. The picture of models around wearing that same dress look flawless

And then you walk out feeling so bad about yourself.
so you tell me. How do I feel good about myself.
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Is it any wonder he's single ladies? Someone incapable of seeing a woman as anything more than a physical object, knowing attraction based only on appearance. He is why fleshlights were invented. Just think, because I don't need a man to make me happy, this jackass thinks I'm arrogant and controlling. Is this the kind of asshole you want your sons to grow up to be or your daughters to marry?

Check my friends list for real men.

Bite me fool. I'm single by choice you self deceived twit. And, speaking of assholes, clean the one between your ears. The guy you're married to has allowed you to rattle on, and tolerated your "know it all" attitude but the simple fact is that I know young women who haven't been alive as long as you've been married ( if you're to be believed) who know more about simple biology than you have apparently learned in nearly twice that amount of time! Put bluntly as you are obviously too unintelligent to comprehend what I've said further up...IF HE CAN'T GET IT UP HE CAN'T USE IT MUCH LESS GET IT OFF! Getting it up REQUIRES attraction. oh, and as it happens air head, your additional ASSUIMPTION as to me "seeing women as a physical object" is nothing more THAN an assumption based upon your own DESPERATE NEED to THINK you know it all. Now, go tell your husband that you don't NEED him. Then, go find a lesbian GF and remember to tell HER the samething People marry BECAUSE they need one another (but why shouldn't I EXPECT a lecture from you rather than simple recognition of your own HUMANITY.

Oh as for your REAL men crack rip; unless you've spread your legs for them it rings hollow. Otherwise all I'm hearing is that you readily BELIEVE what you're being told. Unless you've MET THEM for all you REALLY KNOW, they could be women putting you on or more probably guys SO desperate to get laid that they've come here in hopes and are now kissing your goofy ass because you have a female, avatar, screen name and back story! In short, how does it feel to KNOW that you're dumber than ANY guy who goes to Thailand for fun? ALL of them KNOW that "Me love you long time." means UNTIL THE MONEY RUNS OUT. Yet, there you sit there buying into the MALE VERSION, "Oh no baby, I love you for your MIND! The great tits and fine ass have NOTHING to do with it!" You pretentious airhead! Lastly, as you've had one look at my profile, go back and have another, let me tell you what you'll find. Four friends, all female; THEY sent ME the requests which I accepted. They sent them because they realized what you don't. I'm NOT some desperate CLOWN here trying to find a way to get laid. I don't NEED this site for that and never have.

Kinky_Becky
Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:19:08 PM

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Wardog wrote:


Being female you fully well know that every girl is well aware before she ever reaches puberty that the primary sense of most males is VISION. And, that in turn not only leads to the aforementioned problems. And, therein lies the flaw in this aspect of the feminine manifesto.


So let me paraphrase what you are saying. "Women have to attract a man, and that requires that they be pretty enough to suit him."

This only applies to shallow idiots like you who can't see past physicalities. By your definition, if you are unattractive, you are doomed to loneliness. By your standards, if your lover became disfigured by a car wreck or burn, you would cease to desire her. What an asshole!

I'm telling women that they don't need a man, or anyone, to feel good about themselves. Feeling good about yourself solely based on physical beauty will always fail you. Accomplishments stay with you forever. A woman's goal should never be to find a man who loves them for their body, but rather to find a man who loves them for who they are. Attraction based on physical appearance is hollow and while more men may approach me because of my appearance, it merely means I have more to shoo away when I find that is all they are interested in. The best loves are those established on friendship because you love and respect each other.

Apparently, this is a foreign concept to you. Some boys just never grow up.

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Look inside their brain box and look behind their left breast.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:35:48 PM

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Kinky_Becky wrote:


So let me paraphrase what you are saying. "Women have to attract a man, and that requires that they be pretty enough to suit him."

This only applies to shallow idiots like you who can't see past physicalities. By your definition, if you are unattractive, you are doomed to loneliness. By your standards, if your lover became disfigured by a car wreck or burn, you would cease to desire her. What an asshole!

I'm telling women that they don't need a man, or anyone, to feel good about themselves. Feeling good about yourself solely based on physical beauty will always fail you. Accomplishments stay with you forever. A woman's goal should never be to find a man who loves them for their body, but rather to find a man who loves them for who they are. Attraction based on physical appearance is hollow and while more men may approach me because of my appearance, it merely means I have more to shoo away when I find that is all they are interested in. The best loves are those established on friendship because you love and respect each other.

Apparently, this is a foreign concept to you. Some boys just never grow up.


And, I'm saying that what you're talking about NOW is sorting through and finding those who are REAL and with whom you have a "connection". BUT, that to completely discount the FACT that males DO initiate contact with you primarily based on INITIAL physical attraction is sheer nonsense and is seen as such by high school girls let alone full grown women.

Thanks Silver! And the same to you and yours!

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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:43:45 PM

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licquid wrote:
It is so fucking hard not to feel absolutely disgusted with yourself when you look at these images. It is so so hard. People actually don't understand that by looking at these images you feel like you have to conform. They are all around you. Even the people around you seem to look like absolute models. The clothes at the store only seem to be selling item aimed at a specific audience.

It's like when you walk into a store and you see the perfect dress. I lures you in and you ask the sales person if they have one in your size and they say no. And then you look around you. I mean you really look.
1. the Sales person is incredible beautiful and perfect
2. the people in the store are amazingly gorgeous
3. The picture of models around wearing that same dress look flawless

And then you walk out feeling so bad about yourself.
so you tell me. How do I feel good about myself.


Now, while I stand by all that I've said above let me say this too you. It's something you NEED to hear and KNOW. What others think is NOT relevant to whom and what you are and choose to be or for that matter "think of yourself" BEYOND the amount that YOU allow it to be! LOVE, ALL love, starts with the self. If you can't, won't or don't love yourself, no one else will have reason to either. (Hard earned and learned lessons from someone who has walked many paths.; some of those were bright and beautiful, others were dark, lonely and depressing. Happiness is a CHOICE. Start with that, then LISTEN to friends for a time. They'll remind you of all the many reasons you have for loving YOU. (Not so much that no one else can! But, enough to SMILE about who you are!) Good luck little lady, and Happy Holidays.

Weavindreams
Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:44:14 PM

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licquid wrote:
It is so fucking hard not to feel absolutely disgusted with yourself when you look at these images. It is so so hard. People actually don't understand that by looking at these images you feel like you have to conform. They are all around you. Even the people around you seem to look like absolute models. The clothes at the store only seem to be selling item aimed at a specific audience.

It's like when you walk into a store and you see the perfect dress. I lures you in and you ask the sales person if they have one in your size and they say no. And then you look around you. I mean you really look.
1. the Sales person is incredible beautiful and perfect
2. the people in the store are amazingly gorgeous
3. The picture of models around wearing that same dress look flawless

And then you walk out feeling so bad about yourself.
so you tell me. How do I feel good about myself.


Now, while I stand by all that I've said above let me say this too you. It's something you NEED to hear and KNOW. What others think is NOT relevant to whom and what you are and choose to be or for that matter "think of yourself" BEYOND the amount that YOU allow it to be! LOVE, ALL love, starts with the self. If you can't, won't or don't love yourself, no one else will have reason to either. (Hard earned and learned lessons from someone who has walked many paths.; some of those were bright and beautiful, others were dark, lonely and depressing. Happiness is a CHOICE. Start with that, then LISTEN to friends for a time. They'll remind you of all the many reasons you have for loving YOU. (Not so much that no one else can! But, enough to SMILE about who you are!) Good luck little lady, and Happy Holidays.

Kinky_Becky
Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:35:41 PM

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Wardog wrote:


And, I'm saying that what you're talking about NOW is sorting through and finding those who are REAL and with whom you have a "connection". BUT, that to completely discount the FACT that males DO initiate contact with you primarily based on INITIAL physical attraction is sheer nonsense and is seen as such by high school girls let alone full grown women.

Thanks Silver! And the same to you and yours!


And I'm saying that we need to teach our daughters to value ourselves more than the attentions of a man based solely on physical appearance, that we should value compliments on our personality and character and essentially shun ones based on appearance as shallow. It's training our children how to think.

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