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nicola
Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:08:30 AM

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Please read this article:

http://www.hangthebankers.com/bono-exposed-as-a-complete-fraud/

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‘Bono’s positioning of the west as the saviour of Africa while failing to ­discuss the harm the G8 nations are doing has undermined campaigns for justice and accountability.’


He's been widely criticised the last decade, I am starting to realise the reasons. I've read a few things here and there over the years, as most of us have.

Is he doing more harm than good? Up until recently, I'd been leaning towards the latter.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:45:36 AM

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I'm sure there's at least some truth in the article. U2, just like the Rolling Stones, are in fact Dutch companies even though they're not Dutch bands of course. But for tax reasons they relocated their official offices to the Netherlands.

The descriptions that go with the photos tell me the article's author is mostly conserned with trying to push his own agenda though.

LadyX
Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:47:17 AM

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He might be doing more harm than good, being that he's an ultra-visible spokesperson for these various "charitable" schemes described. But much like the politicians that he also mentions, I bet Bono really does think he's doing good things. I bet he thinks that corporate globalism really will help poor Africans. I bet he really does think that some Americans and Brits with Ph.D.'s in agribusiness and economics really do know what's better for Africans who actually live and depend on their own land, as they've done for thousands of years. It's sad, knowing what I know about the practices of companies like Monsanto, that Bono has apparently put his faith in them to actually do good for people other than their own shareholders.

Maybe the lesson here is: it's best not to take professional musicians seriously regarding things beyond music. Like, does anyone think that clown from Coldplay is really an expert on world trade disparity?
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Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:35:12 AM

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I'm not impressed with celebrities...I'm sure there are some who do nice things. Bono, is all about his designer glasses...what else is new dontknow

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Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:12:42 AM

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i think that, whatever the reality of it is, his heart's in the right place. he certainly doesn't need the publicity and how many people with that kind of money would be spending their time trying to do something good like this with it? yep, no matter what, he gets points of at least trying.

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Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:40:38 AM

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As in the video, he has continuously aligned himself with people and causes that do two things. Make him money, and stroke his ego.

He will critique governments, as in bullet the blue sky, but then pal around with the same demigods he aspires to be. In the beginning there was a man, now there is but a corporate shell.
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Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:55:03 AM

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I went to the 360 tour when it was in South Africa and the concert was peppered with propaganda such as Desmond Tutu speaking over their songs and the cheap theatrics really annoyed me. I've always thought Bono was a bit of an idiot because of his Eurocentric approach to Africa but that concert made me seriously anti-Bono.

The fact that he pushes investment in Africa isn't bad obviously but the clear alienation of African entrepreneurs is a big problem that he is perpetuating to the detriment of everybody over here and it's no secret that the investment tends to only profit some businessmen that fit the mould provided by the developed states. The problem with being a humanitarian is that you actually have to give a damn about everybody, not only the people you deem worthy.



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Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:39:07 PM

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Very well said by my right honorable friend.
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Posted: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:08:57 PM

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sprite wrote:
i think that, whatever the reality of it is, his heart's in the right place. he certainly doesn't need the publicity and how many people with that kind of money would be spending their time trying to do something good like this with it? yep, no matter what, he gets points of at least trying.


I agree. His heart is in the right place.
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Posted: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:15:10 PM

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I have always believed he was full of chit, doing it for some Corporate purpose and this just proved it

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Posted: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:47:54 PM

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It is great that he’s using his celebrity for a worthwhile cause, rather than just trying to sell coffee machines. But it’s never really sat right with me, and it all comes across as an exercise in self-indulgence.

If the article is to be believed, it appears that at the very least, he has allowed himself to be misled, if not corrupted by the corporate agenda. I’m an economist, and I can tell you the market does not cure all. Investment in Africa will ultimately lead to profits being taken out of Africa.

I think he would do a lot more good by simply whoring for Oxfam.

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stephanie
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:50:42 PM

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Think of all the awareness that people like Mick Jagger and Paul McCartney and Elton John and David Bowie have raised about social/cultural/global issues...

(Oh... Except they really haven't, have they?)

Paul Hewson has. Bono, CATAPULTED into megastardom since his 20s has tried to make a difference. He's put his head above the parapet and MY how he gets shot at! (He's a fucking singer in a band, he's NOT a businessman and IF the people who manage his finances do that to the best of their ability I'm sure they're doing their job...)

Bono COULD shut up... He COULD live in any one of the houses he EARNED by providing art for LEGIONS of grateful fans and take cocaine and fuck supermodels... (That's what I'd do.)

He doesn't. He lives happily with his wife (Ali is a SERIOUS social activist) and his kids and he tries to make the world better.

"But... but... WHY doesn't he give some of all that money he makes back to the people! The people that MADE him..."

Well... He does, if you look at what he's trying to do... AND, that guy made himself, by the way...

NOBODY ever asks the POPE to share his money... *Laughs!*

xx SF

(I don't know Bono very well but every time I've met him he's been polite, unassuming and elegantly kind... Also VERY funny in conversation... GENUINELY nice bloke...)



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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 7:44:01 AM

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to add to what Steph says, yeah, i mean, let's dump on the guy giving away his money to what he believes to be a good cause, and i re-iterate, i think that he genuinely is trying to make the world a better place. and let's not dump on all the rock stars who make tons of money and spend it on drugs, supermodels, houses, cars, whatever and don't give a fuck about anyone else. i've heard that before, btw, that Bono annoys people because he's a bit preachy. well, at least he's preachy about the right things, imo.

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Posted: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:40:30 AM

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No one is perfect. Bob Geldof got dumped on but did some children get an extra meal? Yes. Is he Jesus on earth? No. If you make money and help people are the people still better off? I just think life is grey, it is not either/or you can be greedy and good at the same time. You can be mean but love kittens(Hitler loved animals)...Mother Theresa did good work but she was also snobbish. But does that cancel out her good work? Good does not equal martyr.
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Posted: Friday, October 04, 2013 9:52:54 AM

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I think we have to separate intent from net result here. I've yet to see anyone assert that he didn't mean well, and I'm sure he does. But, at the end of the day, is he supporting the wrong method of 'help'? Is he, in effect, the 'useful idiot' to larger global forces rather than the crusader for advancement that he efforts to be? I think that's a plausible conclusion to reach.
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Tranquil wrote:
if it makes people sit up and think about the situations, then it can't be all bad.


I'll agree with that, celebrities have the ability to get people's attention far more than the average person...would you want somebody who spent most of their life singing in a band having the final say on matters of world affairs? Most likely not...but, as you say, if it brings attention to a problem that normally would not get much notice, it is a good thing...



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Posted: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:33:15 AM

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LadyX wrote:
I think we have to separate intent from net result here. I've yet to see anyone assert that he didn't mean well, and I'm sure he does. But, at the end of the day, is he supporting the wrong method of 'help'? Is he, in effect, the 'useful idiot' to larger global forces rather than the crusader for advancement that he efforts to be? I think that's a plausible conclusion to reach.

I understand what you are saying, companies are buying water rights and destroying the local economies all over the world, yes you Coke. But do we decide the help? Or do we ask, what do YOU need. If you are hungry do the intellectual arguments matter? You need a meal. You need to survive. Do you care where it comes from? Not when you are starving. Yes, teach them to farm, fish and start businesses to support them but first they need a meal.
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NickiC wrote:

I understand what you are saying, companies are buying water rights and destroying the local economies all over the world, yes you Coke. But do we decide the help? Or do we ask, what do YOU need. If you are hungry do the intellectual arguments matter? You need a meal. You need to survive. Do you care where it comes from? Not when you are starving. Yes, teach them to farm, fish and start businesses to support them but first they need a meal.


I agree with this. Residents in the midst of their own economic/ecological crises, desperate for help, don't have much agency in what form of help arrives. But that's not really the argument at hand. "Economic colonialism with a well-meaning rock star as its avatar" is the assertion. Unfortunately, the shoe seems to fit*.



*assuming one believes such colonialism to be: a)the reality, regardless of intentions and b) ultimately to Africa's detriment, even if the short term effect is meals (and photo-ops) provided.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 4:14:31 PM

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Just saw this article...and it reminded me of this thread...

Bono and Geldof are C**ts – a review
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2013/nov/29/bono-geldof-review-comedy-bussman



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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:45:42 PM

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How's the old adage go?

The best of intentions don't always lead to the best results?

I'm sure he genuinely wants to help the world and bring Africa out of poverty.

Like other celebrities who do similar things, however, his #1 base of knowledge and experience lies with music. Not global affairs.

I'm not going to rag on the guy for it. Only thing you could rag on is placing his trust in things he probably shouldn't be putting trust in.
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I am not sure how I feel about celebs and their "cause du jours"

however even if one child or person gets help

then perhaps it is a win

but for any of us to say yes we know what to do about ANOTHER nations problems is just wrong

until we have lived...there

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Posted: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:19:22 PM

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I think steph and sprite nail it for me...

At least he is trying to do what he seems to think is best and using his celebrity for more than the promotion of clothing, books or whatever...

Let's face it, whatever anyone in the public eye does will be open to debate and criticism. It's easy for us to sit and judge, but I think that whether you are famous or not, you should do your bit. Whether that's donating money, time whatever. Be it global, local: from donating to worthy causes or simply checking in on an elderly neighbour, we all have a moral responsibility.

Only difference is that Bono has more money, clout and people watching his every move...

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Posted: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:22:34 PM

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Mazza wrote:
I think steph and sprite nail it for me...

At least he is trying to do what he seems to think is best and using his celebrity for more than the promotion of clothing, books or whatever...

Let's face it, whatever anyone in the public eye does will be open to debate and criticism. It's easy for us to sit and judge, but I think that whether you are famous or not, you should do your bit. Whether that's donating money, time whatever. Be it global, local: from donating to worthy causes or simply checking in on an elderly neighbour, we all have a moral responsibility.

Only difference is that Bono has more money, clout and people watching his every move...



I agree. While I think most if not all of the celebrities and famous who do visibly take interest in helping out have their own agenda too, I applaud them for at least trying.

But I have more respect for the celebs who donate millions without making it very public and prefer to be out of the spotlight!
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Posted: Friday, December 06, 2013 4:42:52 PM

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I think Nikki703 sums it up- these people pay as little tax as possible, but we don't always know if they donate away from the public gaze.

That said, Bono comes across as an arrogant twat, but the jury is still out :)
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He supports the former Brazilian president Lula and I think he supported former President Chavez (Venezuela). Soooo wrong....
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