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Poll Question : What is your opinion on fake/counterfeit products?
Choice Votes Statistics
Fakes give me the same look without wasting $$ 5 22 %
I would never buy/support counterfeit goods 16 72 %
I used to buy fakes but I don't anymore 1 4 %

Can you spot a fake? And do you care? Options · View
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:00:49 AM

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No, this thread isn't about fake online profiles - it's about fake and counterfeit goods.




You've probably seen them - fake bags, shoes, rolexes, make-up. Sometimes you're told it's a replica and other times you might even risk being swindled. E-bay is a mecca for the counterfeit goods market - they are making counterfeit brand name clothing, shoes, make-up brushes, nail polish, watches and jewelry.

Back in University I remember going into this little on-campus shop where the woman would *wink wink* take you into the secret back room where there was a plethora of fake LV's, Guccis, Burberrys and D&G bags, sunglasses and watches that she'd brought into the country.

It's technically illegal in most places now (because you're ripping off the brand's copyright and costing the industry billions) but it still happens in back rooms, through contacts, and knowing the right street vendors, especially in NYC. Many people don't care if it gives them the same look at a fraction of the price. The general thought is that brand name prices are overinflated as it is and fashion is fickle. "Why pay $4K for a purse when you can get a reasonable replica for $120."

What do you think of this practice? Is it fair game 'on the sly' as long as the buyer is told it's a fake? Do you buy replicas to save same cash on pricey fashion items or do you think there should be a more serious crackdown on the fake goods market? And... should vendors and buyers be fined or criminally charged if they are caught?

One thing that's clear - if they can make it, someone else can fake it. Weigh in with your opinion!




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Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:18:20 AM

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Yes I can. If you buy it in Chinatown or in an alley it is a fake. Designers put signatures in their products that fakes don't bother to copy because most people don't know that they are there. Usually the crafting of the product is off, the leather doesn't smell like leather and they use gold plate instead of gold. With shoes, top designers do not attach the heel, the heel is part of the bottom of the shoe seamlessly. Designers also use special labels for the different levels of their brand. Unless you robbed a Laurent delivery truck there is no way some random person would have access to them.


I don't really care but I don't think it is exactly fair to the original designer.
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Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:35:06 AM

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of course i spot fakes. I don't ever buy fake clothes anymore because I know that they are produced under very low humanitary standards and the colors of the clothes contains sometimes dangerous substances. Other fake products are of course low quality as well and in case of electronic devices they can be also dangerous because they were never tested. My advice: keep your fingers away from cheap fake articles. coffee
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Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:16:00 PM

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Ashleigh, great thread. Fakes are flooding out of Asia right now. FLOODING. It is definitely in clothing. So both Nicki and Aragon are right.
I write letters of authentication on certain commodities and it is getting crazy how many fakes are being made of all kinds of things.
Besides, there is nothing like real, natural, properly hand made materials, be they woven cotton, wool, silk, porcelain, or what have you.
If I need classy clothes, I'd rather buy one good suit or leather jacket, than an infinity of lesser materials manufactured every way possible, regardless of the toll on human life. If you just use your senses, you can spot garbage a mile away. If you put it on, ...oh never mind.
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:25:39 PM

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NickiC wrote:
Yes I can. If you buy it in Chinatown or in an alley it is a fake.


Yes, that's a given. eBay is more of an issue though - they often use stock photos and authenticity promises and jacked up prices. I know it's a huge issue which is why I avoid eBay like the plague. I had no idea until recently that even smaller items like cosmetics are being faked and sold as real - which is even scarier thinking people expect they're buying MAC or Dior and putting god knows what on their faces. That's to say nothing of the fake prescription drug business which are actually killing people because they think they're getting their heart meds online and it's just placebo. I would like to see major criminal charges in those cases. In person, unless you're buying from an official retailer, the buyer knows it's fake, but online businesses can be damn sketchy.

And sometimes buyers don't care - they just want the look. I know in NYC there were bills that were discussed last summer about charging fines and possible jail time for fake-goods vendors and even the bargain hunters looking for knock-offs. Canal Street and ChinaTown have always been hotbeds for it. Quite honestly I would like to see that whole industry taken down - more so because it's an eyesore on street corners and because it filters into the eBay and online criminals who are actually swindling customers and able to skirt corners without serious penalties because of international laws.

Personally, I'm not a fan of 'the look' of most of the more popular copied designer items - I hate monogrammed bags, for example. Many have been so over-copied that I feel like it actually has ruined the appeal of the authentic items as well. I tend to be drawn to the smaller trendier brands - more affordable luxury and less mass-produced. And if I am going to drop cash, I will do it at an official store or verified big company e-tailer.

I have two friends that admit they still buy fake Gucci, Prada and fake jewelry on occasion and swear by it - especially for traveling or clubbing where they don't want to worry about their real stuff getting stolen or ruined. One friend had a white Balenciaga moto bag that I have to admit looked damn good for a fake. But for me, it's like ugh - I'd know it was fake. It would bother me and I'm against the ethics behind it as well, so I've stayed away from the whole scene. I just buy what I can afford - there's no point in pretending.


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Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:39:21 PM

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Aidin wrote:
Ashleigh, great thread. Fakes are flooding out of Asia right now. FLOODING. It is definitely in clothing. So both Nicki and Aragon are right.
I write letters of authentication on certain commodities and it is getting crazy how many fakes are being made of all kinds of things.
Besides, there is nothing like real, natural, properly hand made materials, be they woven cotton, wool, silk, porcelain, or what have you.
If I need classy clothes, I'd rather buy one good suit or leather jacket, than an infinity of lesser materials manufactured every way possible, regardless of the toll on human life. If you just use your senses, you can spot garbage a mile away. If you put it on, ...oh never mind.


I am like that too. I do have favorite designers but I also buy from funky little markets, hobbyists, Etsy... My favorite slippers I bought in Canada from a Cree woman who made these cute little moccasins that I LOVE. She also made earrings and I wear those turquoise earrings often. It is about aesthetics and quality for me too. My favorite beach coverup was bought by my relative in South Africa for like nothing but it has endured. I could get into the psychology of labels and the marketing but that would be a dissertation and I am too sick to write it.

Great topic DD.
Dani
Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:44:26 PM

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Yes. But counterfeiters are really getting better at what they do.

But I only buy directly from retailers. Anything that's too good to be true usually is. And I understand that everyone has to make a living, but I could never knowingly support a counterfeiter.

And all the ethical stuff aside, the quality just isn't the same. I've seen friends with knock-offs that rival my originals, but the leather peels. The zippers break. The thread unravels. The makeup isn't as rich or pigmented...or doesn't last very long. The perfume smells slightly off...and wears off quickly. It just isn't good stuff. It may look the part, but time is the biggest determining factor...and these things wear out pretty quickly.



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Dancing_Doll
Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 1:17:19 PM

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An interesting link for those that have ever considered buying cosmetics on eBay or want to see how much stuff is being replicated and comparison pics. You really have to have a good eye - otherwise it's best to avoid at all costs. Personally, I wouldn't trust any of it. It's sad for the people who are being duped by these scammers.

http://www.bellasugar.com/How-spot-fake-cosmetics-MAC-Nars-Bobbi-Brown-eBay-1075153


Meggsy
Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:04:49 PM

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I have a weakness for watches - and have a few I have bought in HK.
I bought one in South America some years ago as a fake but it works like an original, only the case seems to be cheap and is showing signs of wear. I have had one battery replaced and it is going fine.
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Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:31:28 PM

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I stay away from fakes. I always have. I can't understand why someone would take the chance and wear fake perfumes or cosmetics. I would be afraid of what it would do to my skin. That is just beyond me. I love my bags, shoes and designer wear; but, what I love most is quality. That's what I pay for and I have a good eye for it--even before I was able to afford it. I love the way some things are made and the details that makes that particular line or item unique. In that way, I'm a collector. It's getting harder and harder to spot fakes. I used to be able to spot a fake purse from across a room. I don't judge though. I'm just not the type to take any pride in pretending I have something that I don't. I've never needed that type of attention.

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Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:58:53 PM

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Dani wrote:
Yes. But counterfeiters are really getting better at what they do.

But I only buy directly from retailers. Anything that's too good to be true usually is. And I understand that everyone has to make a living, but I could never knowingly support a counterfeiter.

And all the ethical stuff aside, the quality just isn't the same. I've seen friends with knock-offs that rival my originals, but the leather peels. The zippers break. The thread unravels. The makeup isn't as rich or pigmented...or doesn't last very long. The perfume smells slightly off...and wears off quickly. It just isn't good stuff. It may look the part, but time is the biggest determining factor...and these things wear out pretty quickly.


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I also watch what I use because I tend to have allergies to off brand scents, soaps, and makeup. As far as bags, the stuff I like tend to not be the monogrammed stuff. Shoes, I wear an unusual size. Even the designer shoes aren't normally in my size. I have a few places I will buy from, eBay is not one of those.


LisaLoveeeeesIt
Posted: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:14:43 PM

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Personally, I do not find fakes appealing. Then again, I've never wished to own anything from Gucci or LV because right from the beginning the fakes have ruined the brand for me. Though I will admit that Paris Hilton may also have had something to do with it.. Anyways, I much prefer other brands than those who they often make fakes of. Not saying that there aren't fakes out there of those brands too (Acne, Tiger of Sweden, By Malene Birger and so on), but I don't come across them very often. You wouldn't get the same feeling when you buy something fake compared to when you but something real that you know you have paid full price for and that will last for a long, long time if you treat it right. If you can't afford it, save up money for it, dream about it and make it come true by buying the real deal instead of a fake. And feel good knowing that you most likely (sadly it happens that big brands also fall into this category) haven't supported child laboring, or people working day and night under awful conditions. I think it's worth thinking of those people too, because they don't deserve what they get. I've been to both India and China, where a lot of these fakes come from and this is a very big problem. There is no way in hell I'm willingly and knowingly going to support those who run that business. There are plenty of ways to spot a fake and there are a lot of good tips out there on how to do it too, so at least one should take time to get some reading done to be more aware of it all.
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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2014 11:17:05 AM

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I've bought fakes before, not for the label, just because I wanted something that I liked the look of for a reasonable price. I appreciate that the quality might not be as good as the official product, but that's to be expected.

I appreciate that there is the consideration of the ethical side of buying these products, but honestly when I'm struggling for money myself as much as I'd like to think of the fact the people that are making these things are considerably worse off than me, it's easy to put myself first. That is probably really selfish and I might think about it a little more in the future.


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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:54:00 PM

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I can't spot a fake. But if I see someone with a fake bag or something or if I know someone who does buy fakes, I wouldn't really care.
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Posted: Sunday, February 09, 2014 5:44:39 PM

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I can spot a fake but I'm scared of using the authentic brands on a daily basis. I never cared about designer labels but I do now after being scared to death of street robbers.

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