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WellMadeMale
Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:55:38 PM

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We seem to touch on this topic quite a bit on this website. It is only natural, I suppose...since we all must eat. Wine and booze can only carry us so far. icon_smile

A friend of mine, who worked for 2 years in his late teens on an Iowa dairy farm and drank milk like it was going out of style in the 80's...sent me a link to this 2 hour lecture - given by Walter J. Veith - who is an interesting character in his own right. But just because Mr Veith has some religious beliefs which differ from mine, I think I'll listen to his nutritional physiology advice as his doctorate in Zoology he obtained from the University of Cape Town, tends to give him some credibility on this particular topic.



This is really going to suck, since I'm an ice cream aficionado and I do enjoy some cheeses. But milk...eh, I haven't drank much of it (even with breakfast cereal - for most of my adult life).

Several parts, but I've watched six of them so far and very interesting from the point of view of how our bodies don't process milk or dairy products very well, and actually lead to more severe future problems for us than any benefits espoused by the powerful American and European dairy lobbies.

Does anyone ever watch these kinds of videos and then later, alter their diets ...? I have before and I will again.

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Guest
Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:25:32 PM

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Well, I am never gonna give up feta cheese, or my once in a while Frosted Flakes, milk and banana. The one thing I always try to practice is everything in moderation, and that includes diets. Taking dietary classes back with my ex when she was put on the insulin pump, the dietitian tried to tell people to ration food by stating that any portion larger than your fist in one sitting is bad, of course that came after the type 2 diabetics in the back asked if they cold eat McDonald's again since they were getting on the pump. Holy crap, where did common sense go.
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:58:05 PM

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I was actually just having this conversation the other day about the merits (or lack of merits) associated with drinking cow's milk.

Personally, I've never enjoyed the taste of it on it's own (other than chocolate milk... yeah I know, but everyone knows that chocolate cows make better milk). I will have skim on occasion with cereal as well, but I rarely eat cereal anyway. I've just never been a fan of it, even as a child. I do love cheese though, and wouldn't stop eating that.

I think that milk is full of hormones these days, unless you're careful about what kind of milk you're buying. If you think that video was scary, then check out this recent article on the use of growth hormones.

Quote:


According to a recent study, babies in China have been growing breasts, and signs point to hormones in their milk supply as the trigger.
Medical tests showed that the babies' bloodstreams contained estrogen levels that exceeded amounts appropriate for full-grown women.

"'Since a regulation forbidding the use of hormones to cultivate livestock has yet to be drawn up in China, it would be lying to say nobody uses it." That loophole exists outside of China as well—in the U.S., one of the few countries in the world that still permits bovine growth hormones.

Robbins writes, "Though banned in Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and most of Europe, the use of these hormones in U.S. dairy is not only legal, it's routine in all 50 states."

http://www.takepart.com/news/2010/08/11/hormones-in-milk-causing-babies-in-china-to-grow-breasts



Anyway... If you're careful with where you get your milk and cheeses (ie pay extra for organic), then it's not a bad food choice in moderation. I just wouldn't look at it as something that's required for good health... it's more a choice or preference.

As for whether videos or readings on the perils of modern day foods has caused me to give up certain foods... Absolutely. I rarely eat red meat, I will always opt for organic where possible, and have given up many food items after doing a bit of research into the reality of growth or production. Reality can be pretty scary...


WellMadeMale
Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:27:44 PM

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Well DD, the video presentation is backed up with a lot of previously published documentation, much of it I had never seen nor heard of before. I never realized that our human bodies don't break down some of the enzymes that exist in cow's milk.

I'd just always heard the usual US Dairy propaganda. And seen the iconic ads on TV and billboards and print. Milk...Does a Body Good! Which could not be further from the actual truth.

But hell, not the first time I've trusted American corporations only to be fucked hard with the health card later.

Was it Sprite who recently told us to visit a slaughterhouse or a fowl ranch?

Just check out the youtube video: Meet Your Meat...several hours before your next lunch, dinner or supper. I would not post it here, as I'd expect Nicola to give me a two week suspension, if I did.

Talk about porn.

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nicola
Posted: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:38:00 AM

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WellMadeMale wrote:
Just check out the youtube video: Meet Your Meat...several hours before your next lunch, dinner or supper. I would not post it here, as I'd expect Nicola to give me a two week suspension, if I did.


You underestimate me buddy! Why would I suspend someone for trying to educate people about what goes on in those places?

I was a vegetarian for nearly a decade. It's probably one of the main reasons I'm thin going into my 40's too.

I hardly ever drink milk, nor eat much cereal. My only weakness in that regard is cheese - camembert, blue cheese, stilton, mature cheddar - a little on crackers, with some red wine, well, I'm not giving that up, sorry, I'll die a little sooner. 3601
WellMadeMale
Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:57:13 AM

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nicola wrote:
WellMadeMale wrote:
Just check out the youtube video: Meet Your Meat...several hours before your next lunch, dinner or supper. I would not post it here, as I'd expect Nicola to give me a two week suspension, if I did.


You underestimate me buddy! Why would I suspend someone for trying to educate people about what goes on in those places?

I was a vegetarian for nearly a decade. It's probably one of the main reasons I'm thin going into my 40's too.



Hell, in that case glasses8 Lower the lights and raise the curtains, let the show begin!

Shame on you sad1 *** On second thought...I was right the first time. This is too much for this site. Meet Your Meat - Alec Baldwin narrates. Very grisly, steel yourself before you attempt to watch it. tard shaking

I think I'll have some salad this weekend...switch to soy milk, and get my shit together again. Thin is in, Nicola! icon_smile

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MrNudiePants
Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:15:29 PM

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I'm a human, and I'm an omnivore. I eat whatever I damn well please. I don't expect to live forever, and I don't expect that changing my diet will let me live forever. That said, I did switch to using soy milk on my cereal a couple years ago. I'm not a total butthead about what I eat. I try to get a variety of foods in my diet, including meat, chicken, fish, vegetables, grains, dairy, etc. As for the Meet Your Meat video, it can hardly be considered an unbiased view of the farming industry as a whole. I grew up in the Midwest, in a small farming community. I know how livestock is treated prior to being harvested and packaged for shipment. The examples shown in that video may be real or they may be staged for the benefit of the cameras. Whichever they may be, they're certainly not indicative of the farming industry as a whole.

WellMadeMale
Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:33:10 PM

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They are indicative of conditions in all the modern beef, poultry and swine slaughterhouses in America, Nudie.

Not staged for the camera. In every case, the video camera was hidden and snuck in at great risk to the person filming the carnage.

I too was raised in an extremely rural area, and I did work on real, small family farms in the 1960s and 70's. What is on that video is not even remotely close to what you and I saw, experienced nor remember from our times on the farm.



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CuriousButterfly
Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 5:40:42 PM

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Interesting topic - I read a book once (the name escapes me now) that specifically discussed the harm that drinking milk does. We are the only animal on the planet that drinks the milk of another animal. And we are the only animal that drinks it well past the formative years. Also the enzymes in milk cause so many problems specifically to ears nose and throat which might explain why small children with ear infections heal faster when they stop drinking milk. And then of course there is the whole debate of the power and control of the dairy farmers - imagine what would happen to the economy if every dairy farm shut down because people stopped drinking milk and consuming dairy products. The effects would probably be worse than last's years economic crisis.
I for one do not enjoy a glass of milk however, even after all the compelling arguments against dairy I refuse to give up cheese and yogurt.

MrNudiePants
Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 6:45:20 PM

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WellMadeMale wrote:
They are indicative of conditions in all the modern beef, poultry and swine slaughterhouses in America, Nudie.

Not staged for the camera. In every case, the video camera was hidden and snuck in at great risk to the person filming the carnage.

I too was raised in an extremely rural area, and I did work on real, small family farms in the 1960s and 70's. What is on that video is not even remotely close to what you and I saw, experienced nor remember from our times on the farm.



They're not indicative of any of the livestock raising facilities I've seen, nor do they represent anything I've seen in my youth...

Dancing_Doll
Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:16:05 PM

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MrNudiePants wrote:
WellMadeMale wrote:
They are indicative of conditions in all the modern beef, poultry and swine slaughterhouses in America, Nudie.

Not staged for the camera. In every case, the video camera was hidden and snuck in at great risk to the person filming the carnage.

I too was raised in an extremely rural area, and I did work on real, small family farms in the 1960s and 70's. What is on that video is not even remotely close to what you and I saw, experienced nor remember from our times on the farm.



They're not indicative of any of the livestock raising facilities I've seen, nor do they represent anything I've seen in my youth...


Well, if you haven't seen it, then it must not be true... glasses8


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