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lafayettemister
Posted: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:08:13 PM

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Douglas Kennedy and hospital nurses fight over his newborn child


A father wants to take his baby outside for some fresh air. Nurses tell him he does not have the doctor's permission to do so and try to stop him Resulting in a physical confrontation. He says the nurse was trying to take his child out of his arms, so he defended himself and child. She says he kicked her. One doctor backs up Kennedy's case. Another mystery eye witness backs up the nurses' account.

Does/should a parent have the right to take his child wherever he chooses. I'm sure there are some liability issues with people taking children. But there doesn't appear to be any issue of child/parent match. If the child is healthy, why can't he be taken out for fresh air? Children for millenia have been born outside of hospitals, when did fresh air become a health hazard?

Can hospital policy override and outrank the rights of a parent?









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Fugly
Posted: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:34:52 PM

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I am with the nurses on this one.

I think this story is not just about given the all clear that the child is healthy enough to be taken outside but has more to do with understaffed, overworked hospitals having to police every parent to make sure that it is the 'parent' and not a abductee, that is taking the child outside. Also, it would have taken a couple of minutes to clear it with the doctor, but no, he acted like a spoilt brat and became violent WHILE holding the baby, putting his baby in harms way. Just because he is a Kennedy, does not mean that he can override the hospital policies.

The staff have no way knowing that it is in fact the parent (if the staff just started their shift), have no idea if there is a custody issue or even a domestic violence issue. So good on them for protecting the child!

As for the doctor, it states in one article that he happens to be a friend of Kennedy, so his account pf the situation should be not taken into account.

My 2 cents
lafayettemister
Posted: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:49:58 PM

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Fugs wrote:
I am with the nurses on this one.

I think this story is not just about given the all clear that the child is healthy enough to be taken outside but has more to do with understaffed, overworked hospitals having to police every parent to make sure that it is the 'parent' and not a abductee, that is taking the child outside. Also, it would have taken a couple of minutes to clear it with the doctor, but no, he acted like a spoilt brat and became violent WHILE holding the baby, putting his baby in harms way. Just because he is a Kennedy, does not mean that he can override the hospital policies.

The staff have no way knowing that it is in fact the parent (if the staff just started their shift), have no idea if there is a custody issue or even a domestic violence issue. So good on them for protecting the child!

As for the doctor, it states in one article that he happens to be a friend of Kennedy, so his account pf the situation should be not taken into account.

My 2 cents


I agree that making sure the correct parent has the child is priority. However, there is no indication that the nurses thought the child was being taken by a stranger. These nurses were on his floor and they knew it was a proper match. There is nothing in the story from anyone claiming the nurses were in question of anyone's identity. If that was the case, then I would 100% concur that they were right.

Edit... most hospitals nowadays require both parents and child to wear matching hospital issued bracelets. So there should have been zero doubt of paternity if he was was wearing his bracelet.





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Fugly
Posted: Monday, February 27, 2012 4:30:05 PM

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I have to admit that I didn't read the article attached Embarassed as I had read the story else where and said what I said by what was stated -

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The accusations date from January 7, when Mr Kennedy, 44, was visiting his wife Molly and their newborn son - the couple's fourth - in Northern Westchester Hospital in New York.

Mr and Mrs Kennedy then started to take the baby for a walk outside, but were stopped by nurses concerned for the boy's safety.

They asked him to return the newborn to the emergency room, but he refused - encouraged by Dr Timothy Haydock, a family friend who works at the hospital.

When Mr Kennedy ignored them and walked in to the elevator, nurses triggered a 'code pink', which alerts staff that someone is trying to abduct a baby.

Police said that one nurse, Anna Margaret Lane, stood in Mr Kennedy's way, so he grabbed her wrist and twisted it to move her out of the way.

A police statement continued that the baby's head started to 'move from side to side, and in an attempt to stabilise the baby's head, Ms Luciano reached toward the infant's head.'

Ms Luciano told authorities: 'Instinctively as a nurse, I raised both my arms toward the neck of the baby to steady the violent shaking of the baby's head and neck.'

But Mr Kennedy then allegedly kicked her in the pelvis and caused her to fall over.

In security footage of the incident, a figure can be seen to fall backwards away from the elevator.

Mr Kennedy then fell on the floor, still holding his son, and jumped up to run downstairs, according to the police report, but was 'stopped by security and escorted back to the infant's room'.

He was charged with the alleged offences on Thursday.

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Posted: Monday, February 27, 2012 4:51:38 PM

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lafayettemister wrote:
I agree that making sure the correct parent has the child is priority. However, there is no indication that the nurses thought the child was being taken by a stranger. These nurses were on his floor and they knew it was a proper match. There is nothing in the story from anyone claiming the nurses were in question of anyone's identity. If that was the case, then I would 100% concur that they were right.

Edit... most hospitals nowadays require both parents and child to wear matching hospital issued bracelets. So there should have been zero doubt of paternity if he was was wearing his bracelet.


It doesn't matter that he was the child's father. As long as the baby is a registered patient at the hospital, the hospital bears liability for it's well-being. It sounds to me like Kennedy was being an ass, thinking, "Hey, I'm a Kennedy, I don't have to listen to anybody." What if he took his precious outside and something stupid happened causing injury to the baby? The nurses would have been held liable, potentially losing their licenses. As it was, the baby was being shaken and Kennedy wasn't supporting his head properly. Kennedy even fell down in the stairwell risking his baby's life. I'm totally on the nurses' side on this one.

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Posted: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:00:43 PM

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Spoilt Mr. Kennedy's Visit to the Ward.

Dude, you are not above medical provisions. If the baby was in a NICU, there is one red light. Since the child is a newborn and we don't know the actual surroundings of the hospital, which could include bustling busy side walks where you could end up on your ass and baby hitting the pavement, which luckily in this case did not happen as you took defensive measures towards common sense. Anyone been in front of any building lately? Yes. Who is there? Us smokers, who you should not expose a newborn to.

Nurses and physicians are inundated with hospital rules and regulations for a reason. People are not perfect, and mistakes happen. Keep your newborn from those until you go home, so blame for any inconceivable outcome solely rests on you're own lineage and not use it against those trying to protect a defenseless child from the same. Which by the way, in my mind, negates any issue of who the baby is and who the parents are. They know who the parents are, which would heighten alarm in any well studied health provider. If anything minutely out of the ordinary happens with this child, they know they're screwed.

I guess no good deed goes unpunished.



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Posted: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:05:56 PM

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Kicked her in the pelvis? Good high kick. All he had to do was walk over to the nurses station and sign a standard AMA statement that hospitals keep on file there. If it's all cyber records they could have printed one out in 10 seconds from the computer. Sounds a bit like they were being bitches too. They obviously knew who he was, they should never have put that child in danger, which they did as well, being physical with him. If it was her "nurses" instinct she would have known that.
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Posted: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:08:52 PM

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Where does it say the child was in a NICU? Did I miss that?
And as for the smokers, just pull the blanket it over it's face while passing. Smokers usually don't stand in front of the busy doorway anyway.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:35:25 AM

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It seems as if Kennedy is an adult spoiled brat.

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Posted: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:45:03 PM

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"Smokers usually don't stand in front of the busy doorway anyway."

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