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how about calling them american?

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Posted: Monday, March 05, 2012 12:49:51 PM

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nazhinaz wrote:

May I add here that Black race is the oldest race and mother of all races that are know to mankind
Lucy, the oldest homo Sapian si known to be from black race, from Kenya.


'Lucy' was never considered to belong to Homo Sapiens Sapiens. And with just a few bones recovered, the theory (and that's all it is or has ever been) that she was even ever in the lineage of what could be defined as human - is still up in the air.

The article I've linked to is from 2004. Much has changed even since then. But, Lucy...being upgraded to modern man? Nah

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nazhinaz wrote:

May I add here that Black race is the oldest race and mother of all races that are know to mankind
Lucy, the oldest homo Sapian si known to be from black race, from Kenya.


Actually we started out really hairy, hair everywhere, a human hairy race is what we were...I mean hair beyond waxability, like practically fur. You can imagine how many drains would get clogged if we hadn't evolved. The Roto-Rooter guys would never get a day off. Think Sasquatch with smaller feet! The Tour de France would be much slower with all that hair causing air drag or maybe a better term is "hair drag."

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The man who loves other countries as much as his own stands on a level with the man who loves other women as much as he loves his own wife.
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Mr Roosevelt was speaking about being an "American" not "Irish-America", "Japanese-American" ect. American first!
He believed the First has top placement in your thoughts and heart. Home is were your heart is so if your not an American of X decent ... go home. This is not just for African decent!

Found the right quote:
We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
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"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith, becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907



Times have changed since 1907 for better or worse?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 5:52:26 PM

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Lord help those who want to become the proverbial American in every facet.
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eviotis wrote:
Lord help those who want to become the proverbial American in every facet.


That's an interesting thought. Why do you say that?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 8:16:41 PM

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The Irish Gaelic term, still in common usage, for 'Black People' is 'Daoine Gorm.' It means 'Blue People.'

'Speire Gorm' means 'Blue Skies.'

(Lovely language, Gaelic!)

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TroubleMakingSpriteness wrote:


says the black cat *giggles* love8


Btw, why does it have to be a "black" cat? Couldn't it just be called a cat?

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Oh it's a black cat? Honestly, I never noticed...
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DirtyMartini wrote:


Btw, why does it have to be a "black" cat? Couldn't it just be called a cat?

You are just trying to stir up trouble around here again...as usual I might add...stirthepot


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Posted: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:49:04 AM

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I think these term makes it easier to separate us and them Be proud of where you came from but if you are a citizen of this country you are an American
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:54:41 PM

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Well my biological mother is white and my biological father is black. For the longest time, on paper, I couldn't even technically represent both sides of my heritage. But I just always filled in 2 bubbles: One that said Black/African American and the one that said Caucasian. I'm sure lots of people scratched their heads. But I don't believe that being half-black counts as me just being black...being that there's another side of me what's white. But that's another topic altogether.

But to answer the question, I prefer Black. I've never even been to Africa. My biological father was American. So were his parents and their parents and so on and so forth. The point is, the black side of my family comes from a long line of people who've never set foot in Africa. And I've always found it ridiculous to be identified as African-American when I was born here in America and raised as an American.dontknow



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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:21:48 PM

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My Black friends and acquaintances have universally preferred Black. My American Indian friends have preferred Indian instead of Native American. My Hawaiian friend preferred Hawaiian. My Hispanic friends have preferred Hispanic, Latino, Latina. I generally ask people what they prefer and then call them that, even if they say Polack. We're all Americans, even those of us whose ancestors were speaking French here before there was a US.

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MissyLuvsYa wrote:
Just treat everyone with respect. I call everyone by their name. If I don't know it I'll say, "sir" or "ma'am."


Great post. I don't know anyone that can't identify with Sir or Ma'am...Just sayin'

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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:04:12 PM

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1ball wrote:
My Black friends and acquaintances have universally preferred Black. My American Indian friends have preferred Indian instead of Native American. My Hawaiian friend preferred Hawaiian. My Hispanic friends have preferred Hispanic, Latino, Latina. I generally ask people what they prefer and then call them that, even if they say Polack. We're all Americans, even those of us whose ancestors were speaking French here before there was a US.


I was out west not too long ago and I met a group of people that we would call "Indian" or "Native American". They told us that they prefer "First Nation" (the name of their people when translated into English).
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I prefer Black, I'm a Black man who's an American born and raise
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i had friends from Haiti who were black and did not consider themselves African in anyway and african american bugged them so i say black

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I don't get it. So when you are introducing someone do you really need to stress out that he/she is, fat, lesbian, black, single or married? My question is why? I dont get it. So, I am not saying George called me, but I will go black/afro american George called me? Why would I do that? I dont get why do people need to label themselves, then get offended when someone else is doing the same thing.. I dont care, what type of skin h/she has as long is clean, I dont care who is she fucking (unless she is sharing that info) and so fort and so on.. but maybe I should read op, before posting this..


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She wrote:
I don't get it. So when you are introducing someone do you really need to stress out that he/she is, fat, lesbian, black, single or married? My question is why? I dont get it. So, I am not saying George called me, but I will go black/afro american George called me? Why would I do that? I dont get why do people need to label themselves, then get offended when someone else is doing the same thing.. I dont care, what type of skin h/she has as long is clean, I dont care who is she fucking (unless she is sharing that info) and so fort and so on.. but maybe I should read op, before posting this..


This is not justification, but explanation. Because we are a nation of relatively recent predominantly European immigrants, there is a lot of residual cultural identity among many of the sub-cultures. This is true even for the European sub-cultures and more true when they are visibly distinctive upon meeting them. Many parents still encourage marriage within the culture and attempt to make children feel guilty for abandoning "our people". Much of the immigration from particular regions occurred en masse and, because there is strength in numbers, people of a particular culture tended to live together. Assimilation into the broader culture was slowed by attempts to retain the cultural identity of ancestors, but it is considered rude to tell the people of a sub-culture, "You are not assimilating fast enough. Throw out your biases.", especially when they experience some level of bigotry.

Now add in the atrocities committed by the majority culture against the minority cultures and there is still tension/friction. I guess European equivalents would be Jews in Germany, Catholics in Northern Ireland or Basques in Spain, but add in visible physical distinctions like skin color or eye or nose shape. Now you have a situation where there is an acceptable way to label them, one that acknowledges the difference in cultures without judgements of inferior or superior, and unacceptable ways to label them.

So no, when introducing someone, you don't necessarily stress their cultural heritage. You leave that up to them. But if you are talking to one person about another person, you might say, "My friend is Black (or Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Asian, Indian, Italian, Hispanic, Greek, Catholic, etc.), to convey information that may or may not be particularly meaningful to either other person. Some people deliberately limit who they will consider being friends with (or who they will have sex with) to people who are culturally similar enough. Other people will shun their own culture and deliberately seek friends (and sex partners) from other sub-cultures. Other people just won't care, but might still meet people who care. Over time, assimilation and genetic mixing occurs and the cultural significance slowly fades.


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just black old mother fuckers like African american

and everybody lets be real for a minute all that human and american shit you know you call us black and shit a we dont care fuck all this PC shit and black people we call each other nigga every day and a nigga and proud of it shit
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Black, there is not such person as an African-American. You can be an American-African, if you came from Africa, and became a citizen. You don't need to be Black either. But Black is what Black people are, not hyphenated Americans. Hyphenated Anything is wrong.
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ramrod32784 wrote:
I think these term makes it easier to separate us and them Be proud of where you came from but if you are a citizen of this country you are an American
Good answer, very good answer.
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Being that here in my country there wasn't that much discrimination and all that, I prefer to use Black. Some people say that "black" is offensive, but in my opinion is just a race, period. Otherwise we could not say oriental, white, or whatever.
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thacool101 wrote:
just black old mother fuckers like African american

and everybody lets be real for a minute all that human and american shit you know you call us black and shit a we dont care fuck all this PC shit and black people we call each other nigga every day and a nigga and proud of it shit






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1ball wrote:


This is not justification, but explanation. Because we are a nation of relatively recent predominantly European immigrants, there is a lot of residual cultural identity among many of the sub-cultures. This is true even for the European sub-cultures and more true when they are visibly distinctive upon meeting them. Many parents still encourage marriage within the culture and attempt to make children feel guilty for abandoning "our people". Much of the immigration from particular regions occurred en masse and, because there is strength in numbers, people of a particular culture tended to live together. Assimilation into the broader culture was slowed by attempts to retain the cultural identity of ancestors, but it is considered rude to tell the people of a sub-culture, "You are not assimilating fast enough. Throw out your biases.", especially when they experience some level of bigotry.

Now add in the atrocities committed by the majority culture against the minority cultures and there is still tension/friction. I guess European equivalents would be Jews in Germany, Catholics in Northern Ireland or Basques in Spain, but add in visible physical distinctions like skin color or eye or nose shape. Now you have a situation where there is an acceptable way to label them, one that acknowledges the difference in cultures without judgements of inferior or superior, and unacceptable ways to label them.

So no, when introducing someone, you don't necessarily stress their cultural heritage. You leave that up to them. But if you are talking to one person about another person, you might say, "My friend is Black (or Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Asian, Indian, Italian, Hispanic, Greek, Catholic, etc.), to convey information that may or may not be particularly meaningful to either other person. Some people deliberately limit who they will consider being friends with (or who they will have sex with) to people who are culturally similar enough. Other people will shun their own culture and deliberately seek friends (and sex partners) from other sub-cultures. Other people just won't care, but might still meet people who care. Over time, assimilation and genetic mixing occurs and the cultural significance slowly fades.


I just realized, but listen to this first. I didn't like you, you were quite irritating, arrogant, not to mention cynical, and all those monologs and how convinced you are in your 100% right.. I tried to be rude, I tried to mock you, I tried with sarcasm, to ignore your posts.. nothing, I mean nothing didn't disturb you in what you wanted to explain to us at that particular moment for that particular post and it hit me few seconds ago, you are like Sheldon!! It doesn't really matter if I agree with you, but all that information you have, please share, I will take what I'll consider worth memorizing for the rest I'll just say thank you! ha, I am soo sending you FR for sure!!! Sheldon:D

Since I don't want completely to highjack this tread..
I think that this kind of a classification (by physical appearance in this case, color of the skin) in business, academics or any other institutional meetings, would be completely unprofessional, rude and totally unnecessary. However if i want to hook-up my girlfriend with a guy, I will say. He is fun, not so tall, you guys have the same taste in... , he is Black, he is .. So yes, if I can have any kind of a saying in this topic because I am not Black, I would chose that.
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She wrote:
I just realized, but listen to this first. I didn't like you, you were quite irritating, arrogant, not to mention cynical, and all those monologs and how convinced you are in your 100% right.. I tried to be rude, I tried to mock you, I tried with sarcasm, to ignore your posts.. nothing, I mean nothing didn't disturb you in what you wanted to explain to us at that particular moment for that particular post and it hit me few seconds ago, you are like Sheldon!! It doesn't really matter if I agree with you, but all that information you have, please share, I will take what I'll consider worth memorizing for the rest I'll just say thank you! ha, I am soo sending you FR for sure!!! Sheldon:D

Since I don't want completely to highjack this tread..
I think that this kind of a classification (by physical appearance in this case, color of the skin) in business, academics or any other institutional meetings, would be completely unprofessional, rude and totally unnecessary. However if i want to hook-up my girlfriend with a guy, I will say. He is fun, not so tall, you guys have the same taste in... , he is Black, he is .. So yes, if I can have any kind of a saying in this topic because I am not Black, I would chose that.


I've been called Spock before, but this is a first for Sheldon. I've never watched the show, so I only just barely know who the character is, but since he's also a genius (like Spock), I'll take it as a compliment. ;)

As for being arrogant, I am confident and I express myself confidently and that often seems arrogant and irritating to others, especially when I can logically dismiss their fallacious arguments. Cynical is really another word for honest when it comes to human nature, especially the nature of politicians.

Regarding the classification by differences, it is often required here for businesses and educational institutions to produce the appearance of being sensitive to those distinctions and to hire minorities and women or face the consequences of appearing to be excluding them intentionally. The feeling is that the workforce of a publicly owned corporation or educational institution should reflect the national population in ethnic and gender makeup. Reverse discrimination is a term often used here for ignoring merit and hiring or teaching based on other criteria.


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