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SITTING
Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 3:00:31 AM

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OK, so every morning I wake up, watch BBC News for ten minutes, then in the car I listen to BBC Radio 1, and then throughout the day I glance over the Google News headlines etc. Now on the weekend, I got home and I was flicking through the news channels when I came across ‘Russia Today’. After half an hour of watching it, I was amazed. It was like the complete opposite to all the media I’m used to.
Like on the ‘normal’ news they make the Syrian demonstrators out to be heroic and the President to be such an evil dictator, yet on RT they showed this clip of like Syrian children who were about five years old, being forced to chant anti-Assad slogans. These little kids had been dressed up in military uniforms, were made to hold guns and half of them were crying in fear. It made the opposition into the ‘bad guys’. And then there was this other little kid who’d been quite happily and freely supporting the President and the opposition had come to his family’s home and murdered like two of his brothers. It just cast a whole different light on the situation over there.
I was shocked. But that’s only because I have never actively looked for news that isn’t readily available. OK, so it’s not totally censored but I’ve never gone on the internet and looked up Russian headlines or Chinese headlines or Pakistani or Iranian news. I just read whatever is there in front of me. And when you actually find these other opinions from different countries you start to think ‘Well, what is actually ‘right’?’ And now I’m confused. Because I can’t find a balance between the two. dontknow
At the end of the day, what I’m trying to figure out is whether people follow and believe the media in their own country.
Do you just listen to your own news stations?
Or do you look up and read articles written by other countries?
I spent like three hours on Sunday afternoon reading international viewpoints and it is VERY time consuming.
How do you make up your mind about which side is right?
Or do you simply believe what your country’s newspapers tell you?
Or are you too busy too care?


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nazhinaz
Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 5:53:00 AM

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At the end of the day, what I’m trying to figure out is whether people follow and believe the media in their own country.
Do you just listen to your own news stations?
Or do you look up and read articles written by other countries?
I spent like three hours on Sunday afternoon reading international viewpoints and it is VERY time consuming.
How do you make up your mind about which side is right?
Or do you simply believe what your country’s newspapers tell you?
Or are you too busy too care?
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You right.
Most of the people are so fixated in what they need to do to meet theeir two ends meet and hardly bother about whats going in one's own country and even less whats going in other countries.
The ever growing economic pressures and competition in job markets wear them out and they hardly bother about politics and else.
Thats why the percentage of the eligible voters casting thieir votes at polls, specially national level polls, is so poor, mostly less than 50% and the representatives of less than 50% thus elected do whatever they feel best in their selfish interests.
This is also one of the reasons why corruption, especially in the third world and developing countries, is so high, as the accountabilty process is too poor and voting pattern is more on tribal,ethnic and such other petty considerations.
The growing economic pressures are the main cause besides low educational standards.
Buz
Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 5:56:25 AM

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Every media outlet is now just a source of propaganda for some particular political view. You have to pay close attention in order to catch any real news.

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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 6:06:34 AM

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i dont think i believe anything the media shows me....at least not in my country. everything is "spun" here to suit the agenda of someone or something else. for me that translates into me not reading or watching much news. i dont know which is worse...being uninformed or misinformed...

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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 7:22:36 AM

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littlemissbitch wrote:
i dont think i believe anything the media shows me....at least not in my country. everything is "spun" here to suit the agenda of someone or something else. for me that translates into me not reading or watching much news. i dont know which is worse...being uninformed or misinformed...


Here here!! Which is worse?
hartclass
Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 8:01:36 AM

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Hi Sitting,

As someone who spends a lot of time working in Russia and has a good understanding of how life works there - you have to be aware that the situation is far more complicated than the free press of the West. To complicate things further - we are talking about a vast country with an even bigger population. That said the new generation of young Russia's are far better informed and travel abroad - they are very much aware of the 'real' world. believe me change is happening - maybe not as fast as we would like but you just have to witness the protests against Putin to see the middle class is looking for change.

I have to say having watched CNN - American coverage of the rest of the world is not much better - remember 80% of American's have not traveled outside of USA and yet they feel that they have the right to dictate foreign policy on a global scale - no thank you!

LadyX
Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 8:59:02 AM

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littlemissbitch wrote:
i dont know which is worse...being uninformed or misinformed...

That depends on whether either is intentional.


Isn't it a general rule that it's a bad idea to completely take anyone's word for anything? Most of us are sufficiently intelligent and reasonable people, and our abilities to sniff out the bullshit and the obvious trickery will keep us out of the worst types of trouble when it comes to 'truth-finding'.

I know there are exceptions to this. Hard times in society can lead 'the masses' down a twisted path, and a successful cover-up will...well...cover up the truth. But generally, some truth is usually evident and within grasp.

Take Syria, as you mentioned, SITTING. We know that the regime there is cracking down brutally on the rebels and their sympathizers. We know this because we see pictures, we read and hear multiple accounts from multiple sources, all reporting the same types of things. We can also reasonably accept that not everybody in Syria sides with the rebels (in particular the minority ruling Alawi people), and that the rebels are not saints, as they are engaged in civil war. The Russian press chooses to cover it from this angle because a) as stated earlier, the Russian press does not enjoy guaranteed journalistic freedom, which means b) the coverage is going to be geared toward the Russian Government's support, which is for the ruling regime.

It should be noted that, while Bashir as-Assad is by all accounts a goulish and murderous power-mad despot, that the Russia government does not necessarily dispute this. They have tactical reasons for not rushing to the rebels' side, in large part because they believe that the disarray which would follow a successful overthrow would result in a less stable situation than the one that exists today. And, by the way, signs suggest that Russia would be willing to come off of this position if they were to receive concessions in other (nearby) parts of the world, where the UK, US, and Israel are acting (in their view) as an equal thorn to the side as those countries feel about Russia re: Syria.

All nations take positions that aren't necessarily altruistic and virtuous, but they'll toss out the fluff journalism to their own stupid people, because huge numbers of them will take the bait and swallow it. Others of us will look at it sideways and wonder where to reconcile the differing accounts. It's not important to figure it out definitively. But by asking the questions you ask, you've already shown yourself to be on the right track. We stop learning when we stop wondering.

WellMadeMale
Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 9:23:45 AM

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I have not trusted the American newspapers/cable news/network news since shortly after the end of the 1st Gulf War conflict. I started waking up to the mass deception and smokescreens back around the Waco Texas assault on the Koresh embattlement.

Then I started looking at what was being fed to the world and specifically to the American public in the run up/escalation of the Iraq war in 1991/1992. Our American 'press' was actively used to demonize all things 'enemy' and drum up support for what our political leadership was wanting to achieve.

Our 'press' had abandoned any sense of speaking truth to power and had become blatant mouthpieces and loudspeakers for the first Bush administration (then the Clinton administration in Bosnia) and then the 2nd Bush administration again, in Iraq.

Hindsight is indeed 20/20 and apparently we forget rather quickly about the amount of bullshit that we've been fed previously.

Sitting, I recommend that you don't actively search out for your opinion, but that you actively search out for points of view which are directly opposite those which you want to believe or those which you've been hearing for the previous 48 hours about any important story you come across.

Remember that there are three sides to every story. It is up to you to determine what the fuck is really happening. Each side is going to tell you their version of 'it'.

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1curiouscat
Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 10:42:05 AM

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Rembacher
Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 7:17:05 PM

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This is probably one instance where I benefit from the dominance of American media on Canadian airwaves. I am pretty much always exposed to the Canadian and American reporting of an event. And while they are often similar, there are definitely times when they differ greatly, which makes me look at what each is saying, and think about why they are saying that. Our British ties also give Canadians an exposure to British news, which gives us a third opinion to consider as well. And once you've been exposed to the various spins, then you are more likely to seek out multiple opinions on the major issues moving forward.
Ruthie
Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 11:49:56 PM

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The facts on most network news shows seem to be pulled out of the news anchors ass. Most people are uninformed or misinformed, especially people who get most of their news from Fox or right wing radio. People's opinions often have nothing to do with facts or the truth anyway. Facts that get in the way of a person's opinion are usually ignored or twisted to fit the person's opinion.

Where we get news is important in shaping our opinion, but most people will choose the newscast or newspaper that shores up their own opinion. People of differing opinion pick the facts that suit their viewpoint and tend to ignore the rest.
Guest
Posted: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:59:39 PM

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Yellow Journalism

Don't fret. It's but an ongoing push/pull.

If you encounter a "news piece," then read about it from another source. read about 6 (six). then make up your own mind. Use common sense, and gut instinct, then go with that.

No, nothing is concrete. Except your own veracity. To thine own self be true.
JessicaX
Posted: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:48:12 PM

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I agree with eviotis, the truth is out there.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:30:01 AM

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I tend to not believe either. I feel the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I am a fan of neither the right or the left. Politics frustrate and annoy me. The news is set up to be inflammatory and I dislike the drama.


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nazhinaz
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:00:52 AM

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I still fail to understand why searching something that doesn't exist?
Truth and flasehood are two relative terms. If I am the Syrian Bashar al Asad or someone benefitting from him, to me the truth is what Bashar al Asad says.
If I am on the other side, the protestors, the truth for me is what the Protestors want.
The whole perspective changes from which ever angle you look at any event of phenomenon.
And media is never supposed to present the truth; its duty is to present the picture from where and from whatever side it is looking at an event.
Is it possible that media be impartial? If it is impartial and unbiased, who is going to place advertisements in such a media, without which it can't manage for a day.
Never search truth, search various angles of an event or phenomenon.
Thats how I envisage or approach the issue.
Maybe I am a solitary voice on this forum.
Juicyme
Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:51:46 AM

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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:42:16 AM

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I'm American and watch BBC first, CNN second and laugh at Fox and MSNBC :) I have no party affiliations in US politics, so the biggest offenders of being owned by a certain party are scoffed at at best. CNN is even too liberal for me at times. I prefer to read and watch as much as I can and form my own opinions by cross-referencing stories from one source to the others.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:48:48 PM

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There's a lot of critical thinking to be involved upon hearing/reading the news, it's good brain exercise!

It does interest me to watch the news in other countries, but I honestly think I would just go insane. They say this, but here they say that, just crazy. Everyone does have their different viewpoints and people are often misinformed as mentioned earlier. Also, I've had enough with the misinformed headlines on news topics. When I actually read them, I find that the headline made no sense. It's just used to grab attention which is frustrating, but understandable for their business. I'm very selective these days about what I read, but those catchy headlines keep getting me.
In the end,
I believe your topic title is correct, you find your own opinion when consuming media.
Delphi
Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:05:38 PM

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I follow the media online and local TV, but I don't trust it. Usually I only half pay attention, but sometimes a story grabs me. Then I research the shit out of it, finding both the story I heard and the opposing view. Weighing this along with photographic evidence and personal accounts, I figure (as always) the truth is somewhere in between.



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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:49:07 PM

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For many years, I spent a god deal of time listening to shortwave radio broadcasts. By comparing reports from BBC 1, Deutsche Welle, Swiss Radio International, Radio Havana, and local US news broadcasts, I was able to make what I felt was an informed opinion.

In any case, I am convinced the key to getting correct information from any news source is to consider where they get their money. Assume their broadcast or writing reflects that in some sense.


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SITTING
Posted: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:13:55 AM

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blazestcyr
Posted: Monday, July 23, 2012 8:50:19 AM

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i watch the bbc...my local news..please....fluff & fold i call it

as for the national..it is biased(on both sides) plus i rarely get a view of the world

the bbc shows a bit of everything

but then u brits do most things brillantly!
ramrod32784
Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:04:59 PM

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I try to keep an open mind and be well informed then decide for myself
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:24:25 PM

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I pretty much ignore the news and the rest of the world in general. What's the point of being informed when nobody's pov is trustworthy? What would I do differently if I was informed vs. not informed? I always know how I'm going to vote. I'm going to vote against slavery as effectively as possible. That makes it pretty easy to know who to vote against and who to vote for.

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