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WellMadeMale
Posted: Saturday, September 01, 2012 10:14:48 AM

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I'm no fan of the Republican Party...but witnessing the machinations occurring inside, by the current powers that be... is galling.

Several of my friends (who are Republicans - why I don't know) are floored. I noticed this little blurb on more than a few FB pages this morning.

The fix is definitely in, and it is so blatant now... There is no effort to hide it.



Incidentally, I rarely watch FauxNews. How does this sit with those of you who consider yourselves to be traditional Republicans?

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littlemissbitch
Posted: Saturday, September 01, 2012 11:34:39 AM

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i dont pretend to know really anything about politics but this sounds to me like now they can "stack the deck" when it comes time for delegates to pick a candidate. and what i really dont understand is why theres hardly anyone talking about it and what i REALLY dont get is why he's even being allowed to run after such blatant cheating and the fact that anyone can ignore that and vote for him anyway makes me want to cry and more than a little bit scared.

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elitfromnorth
Posted: Saturday, September 01, 2012 12:57:41 PM

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and see if I understood this right:

You have three candidates, candidate A, B and C. Candidate A and B have the equal amount of delegates while candidate C has the amount of delegates that is required to win candidate A or B the nomination. The republican leadership wants candidate A to win, so with this new rule they have the right to remove all of candidate C's delegates to replace them with candidate A friendly delegates, ensuring that candidate A wins.

I'm just checking to see if I somehow get it before I go any further with my gutfeeling on this. If I'm wrong, can someone dumb it down to a foreigner who's not 100% into the American political system?

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RobinMaxwell760
Posted: Saturday, September 01, 2012 1:33:31 PM

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Wellmade man,

I don't know what exactly you are citing because there is just a big blank area in yor post between two paragraphs, but I found this link that I think is what your talking about.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/28/nation/la-na-ron-paul-20120829

If this is what you are shedding feathers about I can tell you I'm not pleased with the RNC' s decision either. That's not saying much tho because I haven't been in lock-step with RNC ideas for ever.

I can only think the RNC did this so all the states by majority would be for Romney. If that's the reason it was foolish and unnecessary because it changed nothing in the end and alienated delegates.

It did give you something to hate on that's legitimate, however oh so very small, but everyone needs a hobby.







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MrNudiePants
Posted: Saturday, September 01, 2012 8:56:56 PM

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elitfromnorth wrote:

I'm just checking to see if I somehow get it before I go any further with my gutfeeling on this. If I'm wrong, can someone dumb it down to a foreigner who's not 100% into the American political system?


Yeah, that's about it. The Republican national leadership has decided that the local party representatives shouldn't have the right to choose from among their own number who they want to go to the convention, so they've changed the rules. Now that choice is going to be made by the national Party leaders rather than the local party members. Republicans are big on rule-changing to get their own way:

Republican threats of “nuclear option” put United States at brink of parliamentary war, suggests congressional expert Steven Smith



Ruthie
Posted: Saturday, September 01, 2012 11:22:18 PM

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The reason for this was because Ron Paul delegates had used local and state party rules to take over several delegations. They had managed to get 20 of Maine's 24 delegates, which would have allowed them to put Paul's name in nomination. Romney's people wanted to present a unified picture at the convention. The RNC's actions in taking away ten of Paul's delegates from Maine actually spoiled that. Paul wasn't allowed to speak because he refused to fully endorse Romney. Placing his name in nomination would have allowed an opening for Paul to speak. Romney wanted to prevent that. Then, in typical overkill fashion, the RNC changed the rules to keep that from ever happening again.

All political conventions are fixed though. The nomination process is geared toward getting a nominee early on so that the campaign can begin rather than waste months fighting among themselves over who will be the nominee. The convention is packed with people who are dedicated to the nominee, and those people make the rules.

The real issue though is the ten Maine delegates who were replaced. That was absolutely wrong. They were sent by the Republican party of Maine and should have been allowed to remain in the delegation. This was a sign that the party plans to keep any dissent out of the nomination process in the future. The rule changes are meant to keep out candidates, like Paul, who don't fit into the Party's ideology.
Frank
Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2012 12:35:17 AM

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Following the grand American tradition I'd expect litigious retaliation. argue
Mind you it is still an improvement on repressive so called democracies where one may not have been as aware.
So arrogantly and ignorantly 'Fuck you!', though! thefinger
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Frank
Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2012 1:05:33 AM

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Just another thought from an ignorant observer.
If this happens now, what'll happen if they win?
Opposition, you want an opinion? violent1
Is that not open modern politics. Yes I'm sure we have our examples as well!


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JessicaX
Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2012 1:34:11 AM

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This is just the beginning, so we all need to get used to it. They have learned, the key to winning is the supreme court. The supremes are poised to overrule the lower courts and declare the voter suppression laws constitutional. They've turned on unlimited, undisclosed money from the special interests to buy the election and just to be safe they will deny millions the right to vote.

But then, would you expect anything less from a bunch that over ruled the constitutional requirements to settle a disputed election like they did in Bush v Gore?



1ball
Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2012 9:08:38 AM

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These tactics don't bother me a bit. By employing a by-any-means-necessary approach to getting into power, the collectivists have morally authorized a by-any-means-necessary approach to getting them out of power. I'm going to vote as effectively as I can against the most dangerous collectivists regardless of who the less dangerous option nominates. If they've done their calculations correctly, when it comes down to election day, anybody who is going to vote against the GOP because of these tactics is going to be more than offset by the addition of more votes because of these tactics. If the tactics backfire, oh well, I'm glad I don't have kids. Either way, we'll get the government we deserve, unfortunately.

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elitfromnorth
Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2012 6:22:05 PM

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I have a feeling that this will kill the republican party. Imagine if they just want to win the whole damn thing, then they have to have someone with an appeal to the swing voters, those that could vote either way, depending on the candidate. If they go for more moderate candidates then eventually you'll have conservatives like the tea party going "fuck it, this isn't worth it" and start their own party. It's how most parties are formed; a group that can't see eye to eye to the party leadership under any circumstances breaks out. Why should they continue to be there when the leadership just shuts them out and hopes that they'll vote republican.

Maybe the break up of the party won't happen, but you may end up having plenty of candidates that will push away the conservatives and have them vote someone else or not at all. No matter what happens, I believe one thing is certain; those who will profit from this is the democrats.

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1ball
Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2012 6:49:51 PM

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I really doubt the Democrats will benefit from this. Many people vote the lesser of two evils and always will. The rest mostly want a substitute for their mother or their father and they will until they mature, but they'll be replaced by young people.

The only thing that could break up the Republican party would be for the Democrats to kick out all the collectivists and embrace the individualists. That's about as likely as finding an honest politician in either party. The individualists hate having to be aligned with the religious just to counter collectivism. Neither are stupid enough to seriously try a third party approach. The examples of Ross Perot and Ralph Nader are still too fresh.

The race will be decided in the swing states by people who go into the booth undecided. They won't care how the candidates got there. They'll just vote for who they "like" out of the two options.

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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2012 7:23:58 PM

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If everyone wants 4 more years under obama......then kiss America as we know it good-bye and say hello to stalin!!
LadyX
Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2012 7:33:38 PM

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lesmiz44 wrote:
If everyone wants 4 more years under obama......then kiss America as we know it good-bye and say hello to stalin!!


LOL. I've already chosen "Minka" as my post-Soviet society name. Power to the Proletariat, Muthafuckas!!
1ball
Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2012 7:55:37 PM

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LadyX wrote:


LOL. I've already chosen "Minka" as my post-Soviet society name. Power to the Proletariat, Muthafuckas!!


Lfunny

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Zamm
Posted: Monday, September 03, 2012 6:11:23 AM

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As anAmerican first who is hoping for the best for our great country, and as an independent second who has voted for both Republican and Democratic candidates in previoius elections, I don't give a flip for either party. Both parties look out for their own interests which has gotten us into the political gridlock which we are in today. I agree with some of the commenters above, more parties would be better, which would open up the debate more. Anyone who has visited Russia would likely not joke so much about having their political system in our fair land.
elitfromnorth
Posted: Monday, September 03, 2012 8:11:53 AM

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lesmiz44 wrote:
If everyone wants 4 more years under obama......then kiss America as we know it good-bye and say hello to stalin!!


Who knows. Maybe a good proper clearout of a lot of the politicians would be good for the political system. And it would create jobs for the people living in Dakota where the Gulag camps probably would be. Not to mention it would sort the housing problem considering you'd have tons of minimalistic appartment complexes built. So it's not all bad happy8



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WellMadeMale
Posted: Monday, September 03, 2012 11:34:40 AM

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RobinMaxwell760 wrote:
Wellmade man,

I don't know what exactly you are citing because there is just a big blank area in yor post between two paragraphs, but I found this link that I think is what your talking about.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/28/nation/la-na-ron-paul-20120829

If this is what you are shedding feathers about I can tell you I'm not pleased with the RNC' s decision either. That's not saying much tho because I haven't been in lock-step with RNC ideas for ever.

I can only think the RNC did this so all the states by majority would be for Romney. If that's the reason it was foolish and unnecessary because it changed nothing in the end and alienated delegates.

It did give you something to hate on that's legitimate, however oh so very small, but everyone needs a hobby.


I do not know whom this Wellmade man is you always refer to, RobinMaxwll760. It is not my fault that you cannot watch Youtube videos from wherever in the hinterland you are located when those youtube videos are presented to your computer. Perhaps you need to update your adobe flash player? Maybe you live in a country which censors such information?

Seriously, you should have stopped after the first three words you typed. It's the only truth of your post.

You don't know. Either quit pretending like you do, or keep doing so, it is really of no concern to me if you wish to show what little you do know.

My point with the video was Boehner reading from the teleprompter which was pre-loaded with denying the very vocal, probably more vocal NOs, and just going how they wanted to go - with the AYEs. It wasn't a matter of hating on something, just to be hating. It was to inform my friends here at Lush. You are not in that crowd, hell...I have no idea who you are, but I recognize your own cognitive dissonance quite well. Kill the messenger! Nutbag

Since you failed to see that part of the video, because you cannot see the video in the first place and apparently you haven't clue one what I was trying to illuminate, all you're left to do... is serve up ridicule, about something you haven't the first clue about. Good jobsworth!




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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2012 2:20:40 PM

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ok laugh now but come nov. if obama gets re-elected get ready to goose-step down main street!!Just remember it's zig hial obama.
LadyX
Posted: Monday, September 03, 2012 3:27:37 PM

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lesmiz44 wrote:
ok laugh now but come nov. if obama gets re-elected get ready to goose-step down main street!!Just remember it's zig hial obama.


Wait a minute...I thought we'd agreed to go with a neo-Stalinist thing. Nazi-style is kind of a bummer.

Looked up the goose-step though, and thats actually pretty awesome. I think we can incorporate it.
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lesmiz44 wrote:
ok laugh now but come nov. if obama gets re-elected get ready to goose-step down main street!!Just remember it's zig hial obama.

Are you really serious? Stalin butchered 25 million of his own countrymen and Hitler exterminated 13 million people during his reign of terror. I am not sure which I feel sadder about - your obvious lack of common sense and decency, your lack of education, or your racist paranoia.

Since it is "Sieg Heil" and not "zig hial", I guess I will focus on your lack of education. I feel so good about my vote counting the same as yours!

It must be really scary and fearful in your angry little world lesmiz44. I feel sorry for you and the United States of America.
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2012 5:09:13 PM

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It amazes me that the GOP can get away with such bullshit. Personally I think the start of the Daily shows coverage of the GOP Convention has beautifully summed it up

"A Party too Patriotic for facts...."

They have tried to paint Obama as Facist and Socialist because the facts don't suit a narative that they want to impose in order to get out their supporters. They have essentially admitted that facts don't matter to them and yet are still going to have plenty of people supporting them
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2012 5:16:47 PM

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Jacknife wrote:
They have tried to paint Obama as Facist and Socialist because the facts don't suit a narative that they want to impose in order to get out their supporters. They have essentially admitted that facts don't matter to them and yet are still going to have plenty of people supporting them


Well, I'm probably going to be supporting them because it's the most effective vote against collectivism. I don't really care which brand of collectivism you'll agree to call it, it still amounts to worse than the alternative. If the Democrats ever grow the balls to change that, I'll support them.

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lesmiz44 wrote:
ok laugh now but come nov. if obama gets re-elected get ready to goose-step down main street!!Just remember it's zig hial obama.


Comparing President Obama to Nazi's is an insult to the millions who died under Nazism. Under Godwin's Law you are the loser of this debate. Go and seek out the truth. Here's a hint: You won't find it on Fox. You won't hear it from Paul Ryan.
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I well know how full of shit the GOP is. What makes me sick is that the Democrats can match them in bullshit, their just less organized. America is in deep trouble unless we can rid ourselves of this corrupt two party system ruled by the neo-extremist from either left or right completely disenfranchising the middle and most of the citizenry.

LadyX
Posted: Monday, September 03, 2012 11:46:11 PM

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Buz wrote:
I well know how full of shit the GOP is. What makes me sick is that the Democrats can match them in bullshit, their just less organized. America is in deep trouble unless we can rid ourselves of this corrupt two party system ruled by the neo-extremist from either left or right completely disenfranchising the middle and most of the citizenry.


I agree with all of that, but what do you think is reasonably possible? The latest two grass-roots movements of any size (the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street) were quickly and completely co-opted by the two major parties.

The Tea Party was pretty much a natural fit for the Republicans: overwhelmingly white zombie-traditionalists united by their fear of a liberal planet. They were only ever an independent group in the earliest incarnation. The OWS crowd, best I can tell, were mostly young idealists lashing out against the ever-strengthening and exclusionary plutocracy that this country's power structure has morphed into. The Democratic Party, whose leaders are fully on board with said plutocracy, cynically adopted OWS as an anti-Republican arm. Not that it matters now, since OWS seems to have flat-lined.

So what group could possibly emerge that's big enough, united enough, and different enough in philosophy from either party's base platform to inspire mass defections and shake up the system? It seems like we're stuck with a lying asshole elephant that wishes it were the 1950s again (in every way you can imagine) and a donkey that likes to insult our intelligence for it's own entertainment.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 6:05:37 AM

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LadyX wrote:


I agree with all of that, but what do you think is reasonably possible? The latest two grass-roots movements of any size (the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street) were quickly and completely co-opted by the two major parties.

The Tea Party was pretty much a natural fit for the Republicans: overwhelmingly white zombie-traditionalists united by their fear of a liberal planet. They were only ever an independent group in the earliest incarnation. The OWS crowd, best I can tell, were mostly young idealists lashing out against the ever-strengthening and exclusionary plutocracy that this country's power structure has morphed into. The Democratic Party, whose leaders are fully on board with said plutocracy, cynically adopted OWS as an anti-Republican arm. Not that it matters now, since OWS seems to have flat-lined.

So what group could possibly emerge that's big enough, united enough, and different enough in philosophy from either party's base platform to inspire mass defections and shake up the system? It seems like we're stuck with a lying asshole elephant that wishes it were the 1950s again (in every way you can imagine) and a donkey that likes to insult our intelligence for it's own entertainment.


The problem with both these movements is that they started on the wrong edge of the party they splintered off of. For either of them to have a hope of governing, they had to move towards the center from where they were, and this meant moving into the same ideological territory as the parties they splintered from. A truly successful 3rd party will have to split to the middle. If it encompasses the disenfranchised moderates from both the Republicans and the Democrats, it is less likely to ever be swallowed up by either one.

The political climate probably has to shift a little more before this happens. It either has to soften a little to allow for collaboration between Democrats and Republicans, or has to grow a little more extreme yet, for the moderates to get fed up with their own parties painting any opposition idea as evil. When someone is willing to take a stand and try to find common ground, that's when you will see the middle movement emerge.
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lesmiz44 wrote:
ok laugh now but come nov. if obama gets re-elected get ready to goose-step down main street!!Just remember it's zig hial obama.


You do realize Obama is left, and nazi facism is far right? left can't be right and right isn't left.
You sound silly

and skimming above to the op There's no video. I think the link might have been broken or input wrong or a different YouTube format that safari doesn't like.
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WellMadeMale
Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 7:30:06 AM

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Garza wrote:


to the op There's no video. I think the link might have been broken or input wrong or a different YouTube format that safari doesn't like.
dontknow


The link is not broken, it's working for anyone who is using Windows XP, Vista or Windows7 - and Firefox 12.0 or MSIE 9.0

Here's the URL for fucks sakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pKaXqoC4DjE

I can't help it that you are using Safari and for you it is non-existent in its original format.

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She
Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:15:42 AM

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WellMadeMale wrote:


The link is not broken, it's working for anyone who is using Windows XP, Vista or Windows7 - and Firefox 12.0 or MSIE 9.0

Here's the URL for fucks sakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pKaXqoC4DjE

I can't help it that you are using Safari and for you it is non-existent in its original format.



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