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Magical_felix
Posted: Saturday, November 27, 2010 11:13:43 AM

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javier wrote:
Magical_felix wrote:
This article may be written jokingly but I thought it was 100% true. A few of my friends are "Nice guys" and they are the most bitter, self loathing sad sacks. Dressed in their khaki pants and shitty old navy tshirt with a giants baseball cap. Staring into their beer at the bar instead of talking and trying to actually be attractive to women....

They'll say shit like:

"look at that guy he isn't even talking to his girlfriend"

"If I was with her she'd be my queen."

"look at that douchebag over there he thinks he's the shit." (the douchebag being a guy with women)

They sit around wondering why pretty girls just don't like nice guys Like them only assholes boohoo... Look in the mirror, shave, get a haircut, buy some grownup clothes, grow a pair and go talk to woman.




True. Sometimes I love to watch the comments of people on amateur porn sites, comments like "what a small dick", or "he could be pumping all day long and wont make her cum", or "why would she be with that fat guy"...and I just think "okay, he's got an small dick, but he's shagging and you are wanking at your computer watching him shag".





laughing8 Very true Javier. And the guy convinced her to post it on the internet. (I hope) That's stud status!



Dancing_Doll
Posted: Saturday, November 27, 2010 11:45:48 AM

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MMonroe wrote:
Dancing_Doll wrote:
Magical_felix wrote:
This article may be written jokingly but I thought it was 100% true. A few of my friends are "Nice guys" and they are the most bitter, self loathing sad sacks. Dressed in their khaki pants and shitty old navy tshirt with a giants baseball cap. Staring into their beer at the bar instead of talking and trying to actually be attractive to women....

They'll say shit like:

"look at that guy he isn't even talking to his girlfriend"

"If I was with her she'd be my queen."

"look at that douchebag over there he thinks he's the shit." (the douchebag being a guy with women)

They sit around wondering why pretty girls just don't like nice guys Like them only assholes boohoo... Look in the mirror, shave, get a haircut, buy some grownup clothes, grow a pair and go talk to woman.


I totally agree, Felix. I often find these are the kinds of guys that set their sights on an unattainable woman though (someway way out of their league) and try to woo her by playing the friend card and offering to help her move or hook up her WiFi. Then they rush in after her boyfriend breaks up with her and offer a shoulder to cry on, and then get pissed off when the woman doesn't fall madly in love with them. As much as people want to feel sorry for this type of guy, people don't notice the way they bypass and overlook nice/plain girls that they are probably better suited to because they aren't "hot enough". They prefer to live the dream and think they deserve the "perfect 10", and then whine about how she must be the type to prefer assholes when they can't get her. Sometimes this type of guy can be just as self-involved and arrogant as a typical jerk... it just comes across in a different way.



Too damn true. Even when you're friends with them and for whatever reason cant come out for a drink, they take it personally as though you are avoiding them. This is all i was trying to explain by posting the article


Yes, usually they have a bit of a complex and take every hint of rejection very personally. Sometimes they will get upset, and even try to "withhold their friendship" for a period of time, thinking that will cause you to spontaneously recognize your deep-seated feelings for them. I blame rom-com movies for propagating this fallacy. In reality, they just need to stop stalking their unattainable "friends" and get back to reality. While they are strategizing ways to get the perfect 10, the nice fugly single girls are sitting at home alone yet nobody seems to have much sympathy for the female variant... dontknow


GabrielSweet
Posted: Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:31:54 AM

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Well let's see, so far "Nice Guys" are insecure, self-abasing, clingy, bitter, self loathing sad sacks, afraid of beautiful women while only interested in the "unattainable women" (is there really an unattainable woman"?), the common denominator in ever failed relationship he has ever been in. Damn, no wonder there are not more "Nice Guys" out there. I consider myself a "Nice Guy", I do not believe I fit the above description. I am very secure, accomidating, easy to get along with. I do not look at any woman as unobtainable, except maybe one that is not into men, hi kinkygirl, but that isn't really even unobtainable since my biggest desire is frienship. I love all women, looks are not really a factor as my picture should tell you. I have what I consider a very beautiful wife, I am lucky she looked at me twice, but would have been happy as her friend. I am nice because you should be nice. Hell, I can be an arrogant ass as well as anyone, but it doesn't feel right to me. I would rather see a smile than fear or loathing in someones eyes when they look at me. I don't believe the guys that are being refered to in here are truly nice guys. I would give everything I could to help a friend and give alot to help anyone. I do notice other women that are being mistreated by the men they are with, but more out of curiosity than anything else. WHY? They could do better, and they wouldn't really have to try. As far as the plain or average woman, they, I believe are the loviest out there, they are cute and don't even know it. Also about the common denominator idea, I see another one in that scenario, the preditor, as she is called in the article. They need a nice guy, since no one else would have them. I will die being a nice guy, it is the right attitude to have. My father was a nice guy and I was more proud of him that anyone. I am a Dom in my desires, I can be a very intense Dom. I believe that is what is brought out by the desire of the sub. I can also be very romantic. Don't look at a nice guy and see an insecure, whimpy, pushover. Maybe he just likes pleasing people by making them happy, no matter what that entails. I believe a good attitude is so much more attractive that just a pretty face. If more men would look at the everyday girl and find out how great they really are, more of the unattainable beauties would be sitting at home wishing. So I will continue being nice, but I can assure you, if I am done wrong I have a brutal side as well, lol. This is a good topic, lots of input. Thanks for listening to my "rants"

God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time - Robin Williams.


angel7


Magical_felix
Posted: Sunday, November 28, 2010 12:02:58 PM

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Quote:
Well let's see, so far "Nice Guys" are insecure, self-abasing, clingy, bitter, self loathing sad sacks, afraid of beautiful women while only interested in the "unattainable women" (is there really an unattainable woman"?), the common denominator in ever failed relationship he has ever been in.


You can add that nice guys also love writing in blue laughing8

You don't sound like you fit the bill Gabriel, "nice guys" aren't intense doms like you say you are and they definitely don't have silver tongues like you must have.

the slang word "nice guy" isn't really about being nice at all. It's kind of a way to describe a guy who's a bit of a passive aggressive prick. A guy who feels that all he needs to do is simply be nice to women and bend over backwards for them and the woman will come flocking. He is extra nice to woman who are "unobtainable" (thank you) and then is shocked when that woman doesn't want to move in with him and live happily ever after. Woman do want nice men but not some boring needy milk toast.



GabrielSweet
Posted: Sunday, November 28, 2010 2:04:30 PM

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well I like blue and to stand out, and you are welcome, I looked them up though and they both would work. I understand what you are saying. I just had some extra blue ink. lol.
















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angel7


MMonroe
Posted: Sunday, November 28, 2010 2:28:27 PM

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Again, like its been said countless times, the term needs rephrasing. Of course everybody's going to say they're nice so they automatically thinkthat the article is slandering them when actually "nice guys" are completely different and needs renaming to "clingy, needy, cant take a hint, takes everything personally guy".

Its just unfortunate that the word 'nice' which isnt a bad thing at all, has become associated with the type of guy that women hate



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WellMadeMale
Posted: Monday, November 29, 2010 11:55:51 AM

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She doesn't like the tough guys... 30 year old song (as if the hair and clothing didn't give that away)


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WellMadeMale
Posted: Monday, November 29, 2010 11:58:42 AM

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Posted: Monday, November 29, 2010 1:07:11 PM

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Seems to me what we keep our eyes on and see in front of us is what we want and usually what we get.

A man with his eyes on his lady looking forward towards their future seeing simple beauty everywhere he goes, striving for simplicity living within a box usually gets all that. X

A man with his eyes on every tit and ass looking forward to his future, seeing the grand things everywhere he goes, striving for the unknown, living in the moments usually gets all that.

Which one do you choose? sorry- feeling mean : ) lol

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Magical_felix
Posted: Monday, November 29, 2010 1:58:35 PM

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myself wrote:
Seems to me what we keep our eyes on and see in front of us is what we want and usually what we get.

A man with his eyes on his lady looking forward towards their future seeing simple beauty everywhere he goes, striving for simplicity living within a box usually gets all that. X

A man with his eyes on every tit and ass looking forward to his future, seeing the grand things everywhere he goes, striving for the unknown, living in the moments usually gets all that.

Which one do you choose? sorry- feeling mean : ) lol


Hmmmm... I'd say tits n ass.

Wait... Is this a trick question?



Guest
Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2011 1:36:39 AM

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Ow. That was a close one...
stephanie
Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:02:09 AM

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gypsymoth wrote:
Jebru wrote:
Responding so vehemently that it seems you are personally offended reminds us of what Shakespeare said, "me thinks he doth protest too much."


Ok, this is a small clarification about that misquote.

Here is the passage from Hamlet, where it occurs.

Quote:
Player Queen:
Both here and hence pursue me lasting strife,
If once I be a widow, ever I be a wife!

Player King:
'Tis deeply sworn. Sweet, leave me here a while,
My spirits grow dull, and fain I would beguile
The tedious day with sleep.

Player Queen:
Sleep rock thy brain,
And never come mischance between us twain!

Hamlet:
Madam, how like you this play?

Queen:
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.


Now please feel free to return to this discussion.



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(And YES in the context of this thread there IS an ironic sub-text! LOL!)

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PoorLittleGirl
Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2011 9:56:08 PM

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A "Nice Guy", at least in my opinion, doesn't really fit the description in the article. They aren't typically boring and ambitiousless. However, I must agree that confidence can make or break someone's attractiveness and that insecurities truly does make a person an undesirable fuck.
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:57:27 PM

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angel7 I love nice guy's they are not weak and they are not insecure.. I think nice guy's are very sexy.That article bothered me because I wonder what the women who think like that think about the nice women out there. I am a nice woman and I love the nice men out there and they are few and far between.

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redneckleader
Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:07:14 AM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
Brilliant article. If anyone has ever been confused by the whole "nice guy" issue, they should read this article. It's perfectly explained.

Great post! 3601


See i am a nice guy and confused as hell as to why im screwed over. im not insecure, Hell i have eveen been an ass to some because they needed it.
dan17
Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 11:28:53 PM

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very well said, and even i am a guy i must admit this article is well explained all aspect.

mrgay
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lol lol lol, all of this is just sssooooooo funny
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wow,well at least it's confirm that all women wants a ''Nice Guy'' is a Lie, plus you mean to tell me that every nice guy out there has that much issues??Ok so never mind the fact that how most guys were brought up being told stuff like ''You shouldn't hit a girl'' or ''treat a girl with respect'' , ''be nice to women'' wow thank you for showing me that it was all a lie, so all those times of being respectful and treating them like equals was a waste?? And I'm very sure I was never clingy or insecure, hell I had confidence but I got dump anyway
thesilkyknot
Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:17:57 PM

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I agree with Grim..

Women want bad guys for fun.. and stuff but when it comes to getting serious they want the nice guys...

bad... double standards... but ... well this is a fact..

Guest
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:48:36 AM

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thesilkyknot wrote:
I agree with Grim..

Women want bad guys for fun.. and stuff but when it comes to getting serious they want the nice guys...

bad... double standards... but ... well this is a fact..



Do you ''Nice Guys'' hear that? Just be a jerk and women will come running to you, hell for some reason this one above me wouldn't leave me alone
WellMadeMale
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:55:23 PM

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Guest wrote:
Ok so never mind the fact that how most guys were brought up being told stuff like ''You shouldn't hit a girl'' or ''treat a girl with respect'' , ''be nice to women'' wow thank you for showing me that it was all a lie, so all those times of being respectful and treating them like equals was a waste?? And I'm very sure I was never clingy or insecure, hell I had confidence but I got dump anyway


Welcome to Dumpsville. Population: You.

For the longest time, I was miffed that neither one of my parents sat me down and told me the straight shit (before I entered the world of dating women).

"Son, they like it when you pull their hair as you have them on their hands and knees, driving your root towards the mighty cervix wall." - or

"Don't forget, to toss them around the bed with reckless abandon. Girls love that!" - or

"It was my experience, with your mother especially, that they almost all - enjoyed me ripping their under garments off of their bodies as a prelude to rough sex. Of course, with a woman you are pledged to, just know that you'll be buying a lot of under garments to replace the one's you've destroyed. But hey, it's part of the game, Son."

Things would have been so much clearer for me at 17 and onward. I had to wait 40 years and then find this advice at LushStories.com. Meh, better late than never.

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Guest
Posted: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:47:21 PM

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thesilkyknot wrote:
I agree with Grim..

Women want bad guys for fun.. and stuff but when it comes to getting serious they want the nice guys...

bad... double standards... but ... well this is a fact..


Wow an honest woman, lol hard to find, didn't think women ever took accountability for their own choices and actions
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menarealwaysignorged wrote:

Wow an honest woman, lol hard to find, didn't think women ever took accountability for their own chioces and actions


we take accountability as much as men do my friend. theres been many a man that has left a woman and his baby to handle their "accountability" alone. i told you dear, pendulum.

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Guest
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littlemissbitch wrote:


we take accountability as much as men do my friend. theres been many a man that has left a woman and his baby to handle their "accountability" alone. i told you dear, pendulum.

Some of those men will tell those women from the begining that they didn't want any children, and most importantly the women who chose those men will see enough signs in the begining of the relationship to let them know that that's not a responseble person but they hang on to this little hope that he would change, which of course doesn't happen
littlemissbitch
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menarealwaysignorged wrote:

Some of those men will tell those women from the begining that they didn't want any children, and most importantly the women who chose those men will see enough signs in the begining of the relationship to let them know that that's not a responseble person but they hang on to this little hope that he would change, which of course doesn't happen


im guessing there are fewer of those than dudes that just plant the seed the run dear ;)

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I haven't dated much but men like the ones in the article are a HUGE turn off and the main reason I don't date. They all seem so nice and loving and affectionate, they are "perfect" then the tables turn and they are the biggest jackasses in the room. And to top it off they make it out to be the woman's fault. (Obviously any relationship is a 2 person thing and so both parties are accountable for thier actions and reactions). At least with the "bad boy" you know exactly what you are getting. And when he dumps you or cheats on you, even though it hurts you kinda expected it from the start cause hey hes a "bad boy". What happened to being a real man? Are there any left? Because to be honest most of the men I have met here (I have not met many so please don not take this as a bash against all the men here) fall into the "nice guy" article.

Angel
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If I was a woman, I doubt that I would want the kind of man described in the article, but as a man, I don't want a woman with many of those traits either. I want an equal partner. It would be very easy for me to make decisions based on whatever I think is right, but if I'm then held accountable when they don't please her, then getting agreement first or offering the choice to her when I don't care either way shouldn't be considered weak, it should be considered what it is, considerate. And holding a woman to the same standards I hold myself to shouldn't be considered unfair in the case when I don't have an unfair advantage. So I'll walk away from women who hold double standards. They're just not worth the aggravation.


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Guest
Posted: Monday, September 03, 2012 8:54:13 PM

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Oh please,the kind of man described in the article is not a ''Nice Guy'' just some insecure & needy guy who only think of himself as nice guy, and beside No one person have all those faults, this is nothing more then another deflections women use to avoid taking accountability for their own choices and actions >_< not to mention using example from a site name ''Heartless Bitches'' a man bashing site
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Why do we insist on labeling everyone? What about those of us who don't fit into any category because we are just happy being ourselves instead of playing a role for someone else?
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