So, I am one of those independent voters. I had truly hoped Obama could help things, but the truth is he has failed. However, I don't think Romney would make anything better. So my dilemma is this: do I vote with my head, against Obama? Or with my heart in support of a 3rd party candidate, knowing that it amounts to a vote for Obama? Knowing that he has attempted to push through some pretty anti farming pieces of legislature?

I honestly don't know. I'll update you when I make up my mind.

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Who would have guessed that my little tale, the very First one I ever submitted to Lush would be read by so many?
It shocks me a little to realize that it has now served over 20,000!

Charge Nurse

Thank you so very much to those who have read it!

It's what I've done in the past :)

Seriously, neither political party suits me. I don't like the fiscal policies of one party, highly dislike the social policies of the other.

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Who would have guessed that my little tale, the very First one I ever submitted to Lush would be read by so many?
It shocks me a little to realize that it has now served over 20,000!

Charge Nurse

Thank you so very much to those who have read it!

Yes it was, lol. I think I need a font that conveys sarcasm But I do know people who think like this!
Thank you for defending my sanity Lady X!

Dammit sprite... We've got weed! And wearing parkas 6months of the year, ain't all bad.

And I was about to work out a visitation rights between Dudealicious and I, for you.

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The big-spender label that Republicans slap Obama with is somewhat of a falsehood.

The biggest jump in federal spending under Obama by far was the 2009 stimulus, which while technically on his watch, was approved by Congress and the previous President. I think it's safe to say there's a sizeable lag between dollars spent at a given time and a President's decision-making + congress's passage.

But that first year, with an inherited budget shaped around a gun-to-the-head stimulus package for an economy on the ropes, saw federal spending rise 18%.

The next year, it dropped 1.8 percent.

The next year, it rose 4.3 percent.

The next year, 2012, it's set to rise 0.7 percent.

(all stats per OMB)

Just for fun, go look at the list of presidents who have driven federal spending upwards at dizzying percentages (hint #1: they aren't all spendthrift liberals. Hint #2: you have to go back to Eisenhower to find one that's NOT on that list). Spending at the federal level is growing slower under Obama than any president since Eisenhower.


The deficit has risen a lot, yes, which is largely a matter of low taxation compounded by low, recession-affected, tax revenue.

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But, to many conservatives, perception is reality, and to hear how big of a spender Obama is over and over is, apparently, to eventually believe it as truth.

Sadly I do. In fact I have family that would prefer I not vote then vote for a 3rd party candidate.

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Who would have guessed that my little tale, the very First one I ever submitted to Lush would be read by so many?
It shocks me a little to realize that it has now served over 20,000!

Charge Nurse

Thank you so very much to those who have read it!

The 'shrub' GW Bush was a big spending liberal and Obama is his clone. (If you think Bush was a conservative then you are wearing blinders, he signed off on the largest increase in entitlements since LBJ and spent more proportionally than any of the preceding non-wartime presidents. His war in Iraq (an undeclared war, was extremely expensive and enacted without just cause.) Bush greatly interfered with states rights to control education and the US education ranking dropped again during his administration. Obama took the baton from him like it was a relay race and nothing has changed. Whether or not anything would be different under Romney is not totally known, but really not much would. Neither Democrat or Republican Party really has your best interest at heart.

Liberals can be just fine if they are fiscally responsible. I'm liberal as hell on many issues but I do think the federal government should operate on a balanced budget, spend no more than they take in unless there is a major disaster.

It is well passed time to get our troops the fuck out of Afghanistan!

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for what it's worth i am beginning to believe that the two party system has seriously failed us beginning with the 2000 election. I pick that date because of the serious failure that took place in the florida recount. i also believe that the two party system began failing going as far back as perhaps the reagan.

for a two party system to work there must be a willingness for those on opposite sides of the isle to reach across to work with one another on large significant pieces of legislation, e.g. health care. regardless of what your party has said on this subject any working together was merely window dressing...the final vote proves that there was never going to be any concilation. and most votes on major legislation since obama took office have only reinforced that. when in a two party systemboth or even one side adopts a winner take all attitude that system has failed.

another symptom is the way the political base of both parties are driving more than just the parties presidential nominee. nixon stated that you run toward your base to get the nomination and then you must run toward the middle to get elected. it was true then and is now since maybe 20% of people are part of the far left or right base. the vast majority is somewhere in the middle and when a two party system is ruled totally by the base that systen is failing.

just saying!

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"Women should be obscene and not heard."
Groucho Marx

"The biggest jump in federal spending under Obama by far was the 2009 stimulus, which while technically on his watch, was approved by Congress and the previous President. I think it's safe to say there's a sizeable lag between dollars spent at a given time and a President's decision-making + congress's passage."

Ummm.....anyone willing to provide some facts to back that statement up? Bush approved a 158 billion dollar bipartisan package in 2007. In 2009 Obama approved 787 billion dollar package. He tried for another 447 billion in 2011 (I think) but congress shot him down and it got turned into the american jobs act as we know it today at a price tage of over 450 billion. If my math is correct, our government spent 1 1/2 trillion dollars on stimulus and job creation in the past 5 years.

"Ummm"...the dates and milestones are all a matter of public record, Biff. The 2009 stimulus was negotiated while Bush was still president. By the time it came to newly inaugurated President Obama's desk for signature, it was already passed by both houses at the previous president (as well as nearly everyone else on earth)'s urging. For him to have put on the brakes at that point was, if you remember the economic climate at that time, very much out of the question.

That expenditure was Obama's in name only. Not that he or any other President would necessarily have acted differently if he'd been in office in the months or years prior, but it's openly dishonest to say Obama's a big spender based on the '09 stimulus, since it comprises the lion's share of federal spending growth over his tenure.

Shush. You're making too much sense again for anyone used to a 15 second sound bite to pay attention to.

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The best thing you can do for your fellow,
next to rousing his conscience, is - not to give him things
to think about, but to wake things up that are in him...
to make him think things for himself - George MacDonald

Mr. 8 ball has spoken and the wise and powerful demagog has enlightened and admonished those too dull to comprehend. We may as well stay home and let him decide the election.

I posted the graph as a favor to another poster that had mentioned it, not that I take any bar graphs to sum up much of anything, but I and many others on this thread have flexablity to discuss issues instead of proclaiming opinion to be fact and that is why this country cant compromise and move ahead.

One fact, and I'd like you to answer this one Master 8 ball, Is under which president did we cease being a lender nation and become a debter nation?

Not that it's relevant or anything...

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The best thing you can do for your fellow,
next to rousing his conscience, is - not to give him things
to think about, but to wake things up that are in him...
to make him think things for himself - George MacDonald

midnightraider61, Nidal Hassan hasn't been tried yet, that much is true. His trial, has been delayed for various reasons which can easily be found by looking for them on the Internet. Most recently he has been ordered to shave his beard by the judge in order that it not be prejudicial to the jury. It's a military trial and they are different from civilian trials.

1ball, if you don't know the answer to a question look it up. Don't be so lazy. The USA became a debtor nation officially in 1973 while Nixon was still President. It happened because of the oil crisis. We didn't become a net debtor nation until 1985 though. That was under Reagan. The Democrats controlled the house and the Republicans controlled the senate. Reagan got pretty much any legislation he wanted passed though. The Democratic party was a lot more cooperative than the present day Republican party. They managed to find just enough votes to let his legislation pass.

Reagan spent money like a drunken sailor, as did George W. Bush. Part of the conservative Republican plan has always been to deplete the treasury so that we can't afford money for social programs, making it possible to "to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub," in the words of Grover Norquist.

Biff, the 2009 stimulus package was negotiated during the transition period, while George W. Bush was still president. It was passed and signed in 2009. If John McCain had been elected he would have been the one signing it. Huge chunks of the money went to programs put into existence during the Bush administration, especially energy programs, including solar and wind energy.

Mitt Romney, by the way, among 2008 presidential candidates, had the biggest and most expensive stimulus plan.

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I am a whore. Find something else to fight about. - Nell Gwyn (to her coachman, who was fighting a man for calling her a whore)

Who have I called a name? and what name did I call them?



It doesn't appear so.



You didn't show anything relevant to presidential policy that wasn't more relevant to congressional policy. Do you believe a President can pass a budget that wasn't passed by Congress? Can he spend money not authorized by Congress? Does he hold a gun to their heads forcing them to cough up the cash?

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We hear, "Shit! Fuck me!" from the cockpit, then the pilot yells, "Everybody out! Now!"

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