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Shylass
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:25:07 PM

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I am aware that I don't always think like other people when it comes to sex and personal relationships. Through my writing and reading in the forums here, I have been trying to understand what makes people tick, what makes their juices flow (pun unintended).

I don't know what turns me on, really. I either feel wiggly, or I don't. But I am learning, often through pictures posted on my friends' walls, and things they say about physical bodies, that just merely looking at a body, or eyes, turns them on. But I find I am sort of intimidated by the graphic sexual pictures, and I can't look at them for very long.

I tried to write a poem exploring the possibility of being turned on simply by a lad's body, but I couldn't really get myself into the mindset. The two people I've been vaguely intimate with didn't turn me on specifically by how they looked, because I think either my brain doesn't work like that, or I'm just wired differently. They turned me on because it was their body. If that makes any sense?

I see all over the forums and Facebook etc, that people are turned on by the physical image of random strangers. Why? Because they appreciate the physical attribute to the extent they want to have sex with the body? Or does it evoke memories or fantasies already entrenched in one's mind? Something different?

Can you shed any light on purely physical attraction for me (not attraction to ME, obviously, I mean the issue), please? Am I the only one who doesn't understand the desire for the purely physical form? dontknow







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sprite
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:33:00 PM

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dude. it's like, ok, nice house, i guess. it's brown, kind of square, and unimaginative. probably nice in side, but the exterior doesn't inspire me to think that it's anything beyond pleasant. Now, THAT house. Damn. it's got stained glass windows, it's purple, it's 2 stories, someone strung colored lights on it, i bet the inside is funky and fun and god, it's eye candy - maybe not practical, but it makes me want to go inside and check it out. sometimes you just like something pretty to look at, i mean, seriously, if we're talking one night stands or fantasies, we want prime rib, not turkey burgers to fuel our desires. call me shallow, but yeah, if two guys are sitting together, and one of them is hot, and the others a bit of a slob, my interest is, on first glance, going to be for the hottie, as i define 'hot'. it's human nature.
Guest
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:46:06 PM

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Women are wired differently then men. Men are much more visual and sex is a much higher priority for men then it is for most women. Women, at least most women, want romance and sweet words and a man of character; at least that's what I want. When you have sex with a person you care about and respect it is so much better then just fucking. Animals fuck...I want a man that I can make love to and will make love to me as well. Most men just see with their eyes and their cocks...but a true gentleman will see with his heart as well. When you find one that sees with his heart don't let him go!!!
Magical_felix
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:49:11 PM

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I think the unknown is exciting. I think you may be confusing love and sexual desire.

I can't love a stranger but I would have hot filthy dirty sex with one. Especially if it's a beautiful stranger. I'd probably fuck her in her ass, unprotected, in a shitty little bathroom stall with people doing blow right next door. Because I'm fucking wild.

So come on Shylass. Time to step out of your comfort zone and fuck a stranger in the ass.



Haven't we met
You're some kind of beautiful stranger
You could be good for me
I've had the taste for danger

If I'm smart then I'll run away
But I'm not so I guess I'll stay
Heaven forbid
I'll take my chance on a beautiful stranger

I looked into your eyes
And my world came tumbling down
You're the devil in disguise
That's why I'm singing this song

To know you is to love you
You're everywhere I go
And everybody knows

To love you is to be part of you
I've paid for you with tears
And swallowed all my pride

Da-da-da-dum da-dum da-dum da da da-da dum
Beautiful stranger
Da-da-da-dum da-dum da-dum da da da-da dum
Beautiful stranger

If I'm smart then I'll run away
But I'm not so I guess I'll stay
Haven't you heard
I fell in love with a beautiful stranger

I looked into your face
My heart was dancing all over the place
I'd like to change my point of view
If I could just forget about you

To know you is to love you
You're everywhere I go
And everybody knows

I looked into your eyes
And my world came tumbling down
You're the devil in disguise
That's why I'm singing this song to you

To know you is to love you
You're everywhere I go
And everybody knows

I've paid for you with tears
And swallowed all my pride

Da-da-da-dum da-dum da-dum da da da-da dum
Beautiful stranger
Da-da-da-dum da-dum da-dum da da da-da dum
Beautiful stranger






Shylass
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:06:08 PM

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Maybe part of the issue is that I just don't know what I like?

I know those guys with the bumpy tummies of muscle look like cuddling them would be uncomfy, whereas one who obviously likes cookies makes me think it would be nice to cuddle him. And broad shoulders on the lads I've fancied made me feel safe. That's a step forward, isn't? book

And noooooo to bum sex, thank you!


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sprite
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:10:26 PM

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sexybbw71 wrote:
Women are wired differently then men. Men are much more visual and sex is a much higher priority for men then it is for most women. Women, at least most women, want romance and sweet words and a man of character; at least that's what I want. When you have sex with a person you care about and respect it is so much better then just fucking. Animals fuck...I want a man that I can make love to and will make love to me as well. Most men just see with their eyes and their cocks...but a true gentleman will see with his heart as well. When you find one that sees with his heart don't let him go!!!


yeah, if i'm looking for a relationship, but if i'm just looking, i'm going to be looking at the good looking guy - come on, we all do it, we swoon over Bradly Cooper or Ryan Gosling at the movies, and we eye the good looking guy at the bar, not the average to less than average guy. this is me, of course, but yeah, it's nothing to be embarrassed about. like i told a good friend here, part of my attraction to my wife is she's hot - beyond that, she's an amazing, smart, funny, fun, warm, caring person, but part of why i love her is due to physical attraction, at least on the outset.
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:14:33 PM

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It's about the aesthetics of beauty and physical attraction.

Yes, a lot of people/cultures/whatever are attracted to different things and uphold different standards of beauty - I don't see it in that narrow a way myself, but if we're *strictly* talking about biological urge and sexual attraction - that need or desire to 'fuck' someone - the last thing you're thinking about when you see a guy is what his personality is like, what's his IQ or whether he has a kind soul.

When people look at porn, dirty pictures, fantasizing about strangers - they are going for the physical attributes that turn them on the most - chiseled abs, broad shoulders, angular features, or whatever floats your boat. Like that moment before orgasm, you're in the moment - all physical, muscles tensing - it's raw and primal. That's kind of like what natural sexual attraction is as well. You just feel it, you don't overthink it.

If you're talking about "making love", relationships, and all that complex stuff, sexual attraction gets put on a scale with all the other important things that make us human and they have to balance out to something positive. This is the 'logic' side of attraction. Very different from the instinctive desire to copulate/mate with what we think is a hot specimen.

Biology is a part of it to be sure - strip away the pretences, we are still animals.


Magical_felix
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:15:41 PM

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Shylass wrote:
Maybe part of the issue is that I just don't know what I like?

I know those guys with the bumpy tummies of muscle look like cuddling them would be uncomfy, whereas one who obviously likes cookies makes me think it would be nice to cuddle him. And broad shoulders on the lads I've fancied made me feel safe. That's a step forward, isn't? book

And noooooo to bum sex, thank you!


Okay first of all, most guys like cookies, so no worries there. The really good ones will eat your cookie so good you wont be able control yourself. That cookie will be dripping wet by the time he's done. Those juices start to drip down... you might even offer up that tight little mini donut. You never know. This is because the lads you know are too worried about being nice and proper n shit. You need a stranger to open your mind... and your ass.



LadyX
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:23:58 PM

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When I first started working in a place of ill-repute, there was a woman there who had a "butt-pon". Her sphincter muscles no longer operated right, so she stuck tissue in her ass to prevent anal-leakage. This was an eye-opener for me. Nevertheless, I opened my ass for some anal sex some time later. Not gonna lie, it's not my favorite. But I wouldn't know unless I tried, right? So, spread those cheeks, Daisy. A good corn-holin' might suit you.

But this thread is about pure visuals, right? Oh yes. I never had a one night stand because a guy was fugly. Just saying. We need more than looks, for sure. But will a smokin-hot guy make my body stir? You bet your puckered ass it will.
Shylass
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:48:07 PM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
It's about the aesthetics of beauty and physical attraction.

Yes, a lot of people/cultures/whatever are attracted to different things and uphold different standards of beauty - I don't see it in that narrow a way myself, but if we're *strictly* talking about biological urge and sexual attraction - that need or desire to 'fuck' someone - the last thing you're thinking about when you see a guy is what his personality is like, what's his IQ or whether he has a kind soul.

When people look at porn, dirty pictures, fantasizing about strangers - they are going for the physical attributes that turn them on the most - chiseled abs, broad shoulders, angular features, or whatever floats your boat. Like that moment before orgasm, you're in the moment - all physical, muscles tensing - it's raw and primal. That's kind of like what natural sexual attraction is as well. You just feel it, you don't overthink it.

If you're talking about "making love", relationships, and all that complex stuff, sexual attraction gets put on a scale with all the other important things that make us human and they have to balance out to something positive. This is the 'logic' side of attraction. Very different from the instinctive desire to copulate/mate with what we think is a hot specimen.

Biology is a part of it to be sure - strip away the pretences, we are still animals.


So, what you're you're basically saying is that I should watch more porn to find out what I find aesthetically pleasing? Or, do more ogling?

How much of what we find physically attractive is what we know from hands-on experience, or simply from the body's response we get from looking at another body? Or a mixture? Or is everybody different?





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Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:48:53 PM

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Leave it to Jack to change a thread about looks, to anal sex.... wait she stucked tissues in her ass?? wow, im just trying to do the math of how many times did she do it, for her to get like that... and know i cant stop wondering how many tissues did she use daily.

Shylass
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:53:48 PM

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Magical_felix wrote:


Okay first of all, most guys like cookies, so no worries there. The really good ones will eat your cookie so good you wont be able control yourself. That cookie will be dripping wet by the time he's done. Those juices start to drip down... you might even offer up that tight little mini donut. You never know. This is because the lads you know are too worried about being nice and proper n shit. You need a stranger to open your mind... and your ass.



It was not a euphemism. Bad Felix! Embarassed

LadyX, I'm sure it feels just wonderful. But I hate the idea of it. Yuck. I'd put a glove on and stick a finger up my boyfriend's bum if he desperately wanted it, though (if I had a boyfriend, that is). kekekegay



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Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:06:35 PM

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I'm trying to find images you might like, although to be honest, this just looks a bit like a gingery gimp suit...
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:15:36 PM

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Shylass wrote:


So, what you're you're basically saying is that I should watch more porn to find out what I find aesthetically pleasing? Or, do more ogling?

How much of what we find physically attractive is what we know from hands-on experience, or simply from the body's response we get from looking at another body? Or a mixture? Or is everybody different?





Are you saying that there is no guy in this thread that gives you the wigglies???

http://www.lushstories.com/forum/yaf_postst23308_The-Hot-Alpha-Male-Photo-Collection.aspx

Like if any of these guys were in a bar, you wouldn't take a second or third glance or if they chatted you up, you wouldn't feel any physical urge towards them?


Shylass
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:58:06 PM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:


Are you saying that there is no guy in this thread that gives you the wigglies???

http://www.lushstories.com/forum/yaf_postst23308_The-Hot-Alpha-Male-Photo-Collection.aspx

Like if any of these guys were in a bar, you wouldn't take a second or third glance or if they chatted you up, you wouldn't feel any physical urge towards them?


That means I'm going to have to look at the pictures now, doesn't it?

People don't chat me up. They ask me to set them up with my mates, or it's a dare. Seriously. I don't go out any more, there's only so much I can manage. dontknow

I'll have a look at that thread.



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Shylass
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 6:20:53 PM

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I just looked through that thread. Do we have an OMG emoticon?

If we put aside the whole "How the feck does THAT fit inside?!", then only one of them was anywhere vaguely in the realm of "might like to snog him".

I have established I'm definitely not a fan of slim, bumpy tummy lads if it's based solely on looks. So that's something.




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perkynipples
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:23:41 PM

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We all are different. My taste might not be your taste. But when I look at a guy that is all buff I can see he is good looking, he just doesn't make my bits tingle.

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Dancing_Doll
Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:49:15 PM

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Daisy - it could just be that you're attracted to heavier set guys, so the athletic types in that thread won't really get your motor running.

If you've never seen (either in person or pics online or on TV/movies) *any* guy that you've ever been sexually attracted to, then you might just be the type of person that needs an emotional connection or relationship or commitment to even fathom feeling turned on to someone.

I think guys (for the most part) are in touch with their basic, primal urges when it comes to sexual attraction ie. they see a hot girl and they want to fuck her (even on a subconscious level). I think women are more diverse - a lot of us are in tune with our purely primal/sexual side and can be attracted to someone we think is hot even though we don't know anything about them. If you enjoy sex purely for the physical pleasure of it - you will know what you're attracted to and what you're not.

Some women don't have these instincts though - they need a deeper connection, although I would argue that even then - with the guys they naturally want to get to know - there has to be some baseline level of attraction there - some reason why they want to learn more about Joe rather than Bob. It may not be about sex right away, but there is *always* some kind of barometer of attraction going on when we see someone, purely on a physical first impression basis.

If I gave you 30 photos of different kinds of guys and said place them in order from the guy you like most to the least just based on attraction and you said they all seemed exactly the same to you until you get to know them, then I'd say - knock back a few drinks and try again. People can definitely overthink things (even attraction), but sometimes when they drop their inhibitions, they start acting on a more instinctive level. This is why some women start the night out at the bar thinking that they're not attracted to any of the guys and then by closing time when they've had a lot to drink, they've found a few prospects that can get their panties wet.


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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:12:55 AM

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I personally think that for females, or at least in my own experience, physical attraction comes from a good experience. And you're saying you haven't any experience so in my eyes it's not surprising that you don't get turned on just by how someone looks.

The only 'look' that I go gaga for is the tanned, dark eyed, dark & floppy haired, tall guys.... and it was with a guy that looked like this that I had my first really great sex session with. He was nice, too, which helped.

To carry on this theory I personally was never attracted to blonde guys...however, I have since had a relationship with a blonde guy that I enjoyed at the time and whom I had an excellent sexual relationship with. Bam. I'm now also finding myself physically attracted to blonde guys at first glance - which I never, ever, found happened before said relationship.

Don't beat yourself up about it. When you're ready to, get some experience and your tastes and attractions will build from there.
overmykneenow
Posted: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:23:25 AM

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If you start with a low opinion of your own attractiveness it will make you less inclined to go for people who conform to what the majority say is attractive.

Could you, on an unconscious level, be dismissing even figures of fantasy solely on the reason of "well they'd never be interested in me"?
Shylass wrote:
People don't chat me up. They ask me to set them up with my mates, or it's a dare. Seriously. I don't go out any more, there's only so much I can manage.


It certainly doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you!

Mainstream soft-porn for women is still a relatively new thing, and is still a little confused, taking most of its lead from gay male porn. Take a look at a magazine rack in your local WH Smith's all the magazines for men have pictures of young pretty woman on them, all the magazines for women have pictures of young pretty women on them, even puzzle magazines have pictures of young pretty women on them. The only ones that have pictures of "bumpy tummied" men are gay magazines or gay-denial men's health magazines.

There are also theories about women being attracted to different types of men throughout their monthly cycle - but that's another discussion.

I think you should simply concentrate on things that actually make you feel "wiggly" not what you think is supposed to. It is meant to be fun after all :)


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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:44:59 AM

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It is a learning process, at least it was for me. It took me time to realize what turns me on. Beside masturbating and finding my spots, it helped me to actually look at the men and imagine how would he be in bed. I was wrong few times until I got skilled..
Pics of a men can be erotic and stimulating, because of the association I get to the real guy I had icon_smile
just a thought, maybe it will help.
Shylass
Posted: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:04:46 AM

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Thank you, lovely people. Big Hugs Hugs

I know smiley eyes in a couple of lads I know have made me weak at the knees before, but not in photos of random strangers (they freak me right out). So, cookie (not a euphemism) lovers with smiley eyes are what I might look out for. Hmmmm... Maybe I should start going to the local rugby matches... love10


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Daisy
I know that wiggly feeling you're talking about Embarassed and it doesnt just happen looking at pictures of men with bumpy tummies.
lol Well it can, but its more that I can look at those photos and appreciate that these are attractive men and that if I was in a social setting would have me taking a second and third look. If they then happened to have a personality that I enjoyed I could imagine doing all kinds of freaky things with those sexy bumpy tummies.
Photos dont have me wet and wanting, a man and everything that he is has me wanting

blazestcyr
Posted: Monday, October 22, 2012 6:35:57 AM

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i think u just not have met that man that makes your whole body flush..with desire

that u spend all day just thinking about being intimate with them

or maybe u are turned on by the cerbral...instead of the physical

have these men tickled your brain as well??

What about life gets u excited and dizzy with emotion?

A man that shares that lust..might make u change your...mind....

unless of course you have had some trauma in your life...concerning a man..then..

that changes...the whole....picture
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:25:51 AM

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Could you, on an unconscious level, be dismissing even figures of fantasy solely on the reason of "well they'd never be interested in me"?

Rather pedantic I Know, I'm sure you meant Subconscious.

That being said, the general point is a well made one.

Regarding the attraction you mention in your post (and many have concurred with this point) the attraction is based on a response to your senses, whether the attraction is caused by a visual stimulus (wash board abs for example) or sound (timbre or tone of voice) touch (smooth, rough, etc) smell (Karate or Brute aftershave for example) and Taste (Lovely cookies [not a euphemism]) the brain reacts to those stimuli, carried out a series of checks and balances and returns an outcome, I like the taste of cookies, I'm not a huge fan of Brute for instance.

The same thing happens when we are attracted, the visual is processed and the brain reacts accordingly, if we find someone attractive the brain knows that a certain set of responses is required and this is a lot to do with the movement towards pleasure and the avoidance of pain (there are molar memories that...well that's another story). I would suggest that, as with many of the comments, you broaden your experiences, find out what you like and go from there. then when you next see an attractive rugby club type chap, your brain will know the best way to respond to that stimuli.

As with learning any new skill, practice really does (generally) make perfect, although if we achieve perfection..sorry...that is also another story.

Anyhow, I wish you well in your quest for that allusive attraction...
overmykneenow
Posted: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:37:00 PM

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orangefox444 wrote:

Could you, on an unconscious level, be dismissing even figures of fantasy solely on the reason of "well they'd never be interested in me"?

Rather pedantic I Know, I'm sure you meant Subconscious.


No, I meant unconscious, that's why I said "unconscious".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_mind

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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:07:39 PM

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orangefox444 wrote:


Rather pedantic I Know, I'm sure you meant Subconscious.


If you're the pedantic type then surely you shouldn't have capitalised 'know' and 'subconscious' ...

From one pedantic person to another angel7 happy8
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Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:21:14 AM

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LittleBambi wrote:


If you're the pedantic type then surely you shouldn't have capitalised 'know' and 'subconscious' ...

From one pedantic person to another angel7 happy8


Good point, and well made. My bad I believe they say.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:30:09 AM

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overmykneenow wrote:


No, I meant unconscious, that's why I said "unconscious".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_mind


No intention to offend was meant, apologies if this was the case.

I failed to allow for the variety of interpretations of unconscious.d'oh!
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