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sprite
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:34:53 PM

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"And I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."- Richard Mourdock , U.S. Senate Republican candidate from Indiana.

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.” - Todd Akin, U.S. Senate Republican candidate from from Missouri.


Ok, i'm not asking if you agree with these statements, cause no one could. What i AM asking is how is it that this sort of thinking prevails in these United States and is voiced by people charged with running the country and making laws and legislation that effects us all. Those are 2 of 13 republican Senators (2 of which are women) who believe that abortion should be illegal for women or girls who become pregnant through rape. Oh, and Romney is on record as having the same opinion. how is it that any civilized human being could think like that, and how is it that these people aren't condemned outright? It boggles my mind.
LadyX
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:08:07 PM

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Because they are backward-thinking theocrats who are supported by sexist dumbass rednecks who know no better (and are thus too stupid to live) or hate women. One or the other.
sprite
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:20:24 PM

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See, the thing is, and i've had some time to think about this. these men are making laws and legislation based on their faith, which happens to be Catholic/Christian based. can you imagine what kind of an uproar there would be if a Muslim senator (don't say it, he is NOT) passed laws based on the tenants of Muslim faith? There would be an uproar by the Republican party, but somehow, that they are based in Catholicism makes it ok? there was a good reason the founding fathers wrote in 'separation of church and state'. Law should be based upon what is good for the American people, not on religious tenants. I think that there's been a dangerous blurring in the past decade or so, which worries me.

Oh, and while i don't agree with pro-life, anti-abortion stance, i do get it to a degree. Someone has unprotected VOLUNTARY sex, that's different than being raped or abused in an incestuous relationship. i can respect that, even if i think it's wrong. Strangely enough, Mourdock is on record as saying that government should not have a role in reproductive services...

btw, Richard Mourdock, who thinks life is sacred is pro death penalty. Akin's is "neutral" on the issue.
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:24:42 PM

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http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/10/25/a-fan-letter-to-certain-conservative-politicians/

I know why they say it, but they really aren't interested in thinking it through. Fortunately, SF writer John Scalzi does that for them. Great satire that gets right to the reality of the matter.
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:35:52 PM

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Gotta agree with Lady X on this one, not only is it the right answer, it's the only answer.

There are some interesting statements that show those two statements are only a small part of the larger anti-women GOP belief system.
Google 'eight staggering gop comments on rape and women' published on Salon 8/22/12. Interesting article!
ByronLord
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:46:19 PM

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I think that the reason you don't get it Sprite is that you overestimate these people.

The conservative mind is essentially timid and cowardly. It exists in a near permanent state of fear punctuated only by brief intervals of panic. Hence the obsession with security, militarism and sending other people's kids to fight in wars that they find ways to avoid fighting in personally.

Conservatives fear change, any change. And most of all they fear any change in the status quo. Questions are particularly threatening to them and so they demand that they only hear answers.

At the start of the second debate, Romney said that his government would create 12 million jobs with his government programs. At the end he said that governments don't create jobs. Romney can't even see how the two statements are in conflict. He simply does not have the intellectual skill to question his own beliefs.

And that is the real problem with religiosity, it has very little to do with religion. There is absolutely nothing praiseworthy about blind faith. God gave humans brains for a reason. I refuse to believe in a divine being that created something as vast as the universe but has such an extreme sense of personal insecurity that they would need to have their creations perpetually grovel to him. It really makes no sense at all.

Romney has created his God in his own image, not vice versa. Romney is a deeply insecure man whose life goal has been to seek the insincere flattery and approval of others. Romney sees God as being the same.

Buz
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:41:31 PM

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What a croc of shit!laughing3 pseudointellectualism is alive and thriving!

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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:00:34 AM

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LadyX wrote:
Because they are backward-thinking theocrats who are supported by sexist dumbass rednecks who know no better (and are thus too stupid to live) or hate women. One or the other.


With a heapin' helpin' of salesmanship and mass appeal marketing thrown in. I'd be willing to bet that if the stakes were high enough, you could easily get these dipshits to admit that they don't believe the crap they're spewing. That they're simply pandering to their audience. Job security, doncha know? Let HIS daughter get pregnant from being raped. See how he feels then.

I've made it no secret on here that I'm a Christian. I do feel it important, though, to admit that these cocksuckers don't speak for me in any way...

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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:10:39 AM

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ByronLord wrote:
I think that the reason you don't get it Sprite is that you overestimate these people...



You're making the mistake of generalization - painting everyone who disagrees with you with one overly-large brush. Yes, there are some conservatives who are just as you've discribed them. There are others who are good, honest, loyal people whose end goals are the same as yours, they only differ in the means to reach those goals. The ends are just as important as the means. Just because someone's morals are different than yours doesn't necessarily make them bad or evil. Just different.

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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:13:58 AM

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MrNudiePants wrote:

Let HIS daughter get pregnant from being raped.


I'm sure she would have a "PROCEDURE" performed that would end the pregnancy, but it would NOT be called an abortion.

Right-wing extremists have a way of being hypocritical when it comes to the double standards that make things 'OK' for them, while being bad or wrong for the rest of us.
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:05:54 AM

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I certainly disagree with Todd Akin, who I think is an extremist idiot. But I am a Republican who believes that abortion should stay legal and there are a great many of us.

To Byron Lord when anyone generalizes with broad statements they only show their own ignorant bigoted stupidity.
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:37:01 PM

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Please don't paint all Republicans with the same brush. I've been a life-long conservative Republican because I believe in smaller government and less "nanny state" policies and programs. This ass in this video is some backward moron and deserves to lose his election. We're not all like that, I assure you. And yes, I believe abortion should stay legal in the event of a rape.
sprite
Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:43:13 PM

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for the record, i wasn't singling out all republicans, just those particular individuals... that said, the party itself seems to tolerate their views, so that makes me somewhat suspect - i mean, if a democrat said something like that, i'd NEVER cast a vote for him. saying nothing simply gives the impression that you condone their behavior - not sure if it's possible to forcibly remove someone from the ballot, but that's what should have happened - instant and unmistakable condemnation.
TrishL31
Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:45:06 PM

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sprite wrote:
for the record, i wasn't singling out all republicans, just those particular individuals... that said, the party itself seems to tolerate their views, so that makes me somewhat suspect - i mean, if a democrat said something like that, i'd NEVER cast a vote for him. saying nothing simply gives the impression that you condone their behavior - not sure if it's possible to forcibly remove someone from the ballot, but that's what should have happened - instant and unmistakable condemnation.



I agree Sprite. The GOP should have insisted on his removal from the ballot as a Republican, but I don't know if a system exists to do this.
ByronLord
Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:17:53 PM

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MissyLuvsYa wrote:
I certainly disagree with Todd Akin, who I think is an extremist idiot. But I am a Republican who believes that abortion should stay legal and there are a great many of us.

To Byron Lord when anyone generalizes with broad statements they only show their own ignorant bigoted stupidity.


So if one makes broad statements about fascists one is being bigoted? Interesting. Don't you think you are being rather general there?

Considering what Conservatives say about liberals with narry a peep out of our side, I think I was being rather gentle.

Conservatism means keeping things as they are. If you believe in progress you are not a conservative. If you want to change things you are not a conservative. If you question why things are as they are then you certainly are not a conservative.

If you believe in keeping things the same for the sake of keeping things the same then you are a conservative and you deserve every little bit of sarcasm and contempt above poured on your head.

TrishL31
Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:22:06 PM

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ByronLord wrote:


So if one makes broad statements about fascists one is being bigoted? Interesting. Don't you think you are being rather general there?

Considering what Conservatives say about liberals with narry a peep out of our side, I think I was being rather gentle.

Conservatism means keeping things as they are. If you believe in progress you are not a conservative. If you want to change things you are not a conservative. If you question why things are as they are then you certainly are not a conservative.

If you believe in keeping things the same for the sake of keeping things the same then you are a conservative and you deserve every little bit of sarcasm and contempt above poured on your head.




So...How's that "Hope and Change" thing working our for you?
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:10:56 PM

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You can recall any elected official, but these people seem to stay in office, the only power we have is the ballot box, so y'all get out and VOTE!

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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:15:24 PM

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Politicians understand that it is all a sham and that is what their game is all about. In the case of the 'right' spewing this CRAP about rape, abortion and God...they are pandering to the ultra conservative base. The same base that preaches less government and then legislates what a woman can do to her body. The same base that would have this site and Literotica and porn sites ALL shut down if they had their way. They know better than you do what is good for YOU.
They will say ANYTHING to get the vote. ANYTHING. And once they get in they will do what they want. Makes no sense whatsoever.
If you notice...Mourdock made that statement and then tried to walk it back saying that wasn't what he meant. BULLSHIT! It's exactly what he meant.
What blows me out of the water is that people in general and women in particular support this way of thinking and they continue to back those old white assholes.
I promise you...just as the joke goes...if men could get pregnant, the morning after pill would come in a variety of flavors and would only cost pennies.

At the risk of sounding like am pontificating...the Romney/Ryan ticket is doing exactly what this Mourdock did. They have become well-oiled weather vanes. They will say ANYTHING. And then the next morning, through some small member of their staff, they will walk their statements back. It has happened more often in this campaign than I have ever seen. Romney has said "of course I am for Pre-existing conditions in my health care plan." NO HE'S NOT. IT IS NOT THERE IN HIS PLAN. Each time...his campaign has walked it back because he is NOT. "Of course I support a woman's right to abortion in the case of rape." LIE! LIE! LIE! Each time...some small person in his campaign has walked it back and admitted the truth. NO! HE DOES NOT! But...you see, he said it to millions on T.V. and then the walk-back was only heard by a few cuz the media don't cover that shit.

How women are putting up with this party this time around is beyond me.
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CarteBlanche wrote:


How women are putting up with this party this time around is beyond me.


According to the AP poll, Romney and Obama are tied for the women's vote. How can that be? The Republican party has been throwing out anti woman rhetoric for years, trying to deny women the right to control our own bodies, voting against equal pay for equal work, and calling us sluts for wanting access to birth control. Now they're spreading the word that rape babies are miracles from God.

This is like Colonel Sander's getting half the chicken vote.



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TrishL31 wrote:




So...How's that "Hope and Change" thing working our for you?

Let me tell you how that hopey/changey thing went Trish. We had an economy that was going over the cliff. That will put anybody's plans on the back burner. An economic collapse that would have sent the WHOLE EFFIN WORLD into a depression. If the United States goes over the cliff the world follows simply because the world depends on the U.S, in more ways than you realize. It was caused by Republican policies on a Republican watch with a Republican House of Rep. and only one vote short of a majority in the Senate. Furthermore, this President righted the ship with a Republican group that swore an allegiance to bring this guy down. Let me explain to you how ridiculous this allegiance got. It will take only one example. Are ya listening (or reading) Trish? Okay. Republicans developed a bill called the Torte Bill. It addressed how the common man cannot sue Dr.'s and lawyers for untold millions of $$. Obama did not agree with it at first, but then had a change of heart and decided it made sense. When Obama had the change of heart...suddenly the Republicans, WHO WROTE THE DAMN THING, opposed their own legislation. Legislation that they wrote! Why, do you ask? I'll tell ya. Because they took an oath to obstruct a black man who is in their White House and for no other reason. This President has been the President of my lifetime. He has done more for the common man than anyone outside of Clinton. And if anyone thinks that ANY President could do more with as much obstruction as this one has face...Then I'd asked you to share what you're smoking...or in the case of Republicans...share what you're drinking. Oh, I forgot...I don't drink. Any woman who throws her support for this party that hates you is mind boggling!
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They where wrong for using such an inflammatory statements.
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OK, here goes.... I am a conservative Republican. Byron..did you ever serve in the military? I did and shockingly enough the majority of our service members are registered Republicans.... I can also assure you that I am neither timid or cowardly or however you would like to describe people from your big keyboard shield. Now that said, I would love to see a third party. I'm sick of the two party system we have. I also think the comments by those two politicians are disgusting! I also wonder why everyone talks about controlling what a woman can do with her body, but no one mentions the baby's body?? I don't want government telling people what they can or can't do with their bodies, I want less government! I wonder though, is it too much to ask to use birth control??? I am all for access (women and men) to birth control, I just don't think we ALL should have to pay for YOUR play. If you can't afford it, ABSTAIN!!! Now I know that's not easy, being the horndog I am, but not everything in life is easy. Just to be clear, I wholeheartedly support a woman's right to do as she wishes with her body, let's just be responsible when engaging in our favorite of pastimes.... And please understand, I am not even referring to rape, incest or health of the mother--those issues are not even on the table as far as I am concerned. Anyone that believes a woman should "just deal" with those situations is not logical. Ok, my rant is over...and I didn't even mention demoncrats once...oops! Ladies....I love you, you're the best thing since....well ladies! 675-lick
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usmcvet wrote:
OK, here goes.... I am a conservative Republican. Byron..did you ever serve in the military? I did and shockingly enough the majority of our service members are registered Republicans.... I can also assure you that I am neither timid or cowardly or however you would like to describe people from your big keyboard shield. Now that said, I would love to see a third party. I'm sick of the two party system we have. I also think the comments by those two politicians are disgusting! I also wonder why everyone talks about controlling what a woman can do with her body, but no one mentions the baby's body?? I don't want government telling people what they can or can't do with their bodies, I want less government! I wonder though, is it too much to ask to use birth control??? I am all for access (women and men) to birth control, I just don't think we ALL should have to pay for YOUR play. If you can't afford it, ABSTAIN!!! Now I know that's not easy, being the horndog I am, but not everything in life is easy. Just to be clear, I wholeheartedly support a woman's right to do as she wishes with her body, let's just be responsible when engaging in our favorite of pastimes.... And please understand, I am not even referring to rape, incest or health of the mother--those issues are not even on the table as far as I am concerned. Anyone that believes a woman should "just deal" with those situations is not logical. Ok, my rant is over...and I didn't even mention demoncrats once...oops! Ladies....I love you, you're the best thing since....well ladies! 675-lick


I am a veteran and a card carrying democrat. I can't wait to inform my veteran friends that most of us are republicons. LMAO! And as for the rest of what you spew, say...less government....abortion....all the talk, as you say, that you don't understand why it's being brought up? Well, welcome to the republicon party. The party of less government but more government when it comes to your ...as in you usmcvet...your body. The body your Republicon pals want to regulate. Don't regulate banks...regulate a womans body. Being a marine I'm surprised you're not smart enough to figure it all out. By the way...are you blonde? About all you had to say that was remotely coherent...about the public in general not paying for your play...we half-assed agree there. But have you ever noticed that these people who want to make abortion illegal don't give a damn about the baby after its born? Strange. Very strange. You say you wholeheartedly agree with a womans right do what she wants with her body...but you're a republican? No...you're a walking hypocrite. But Obama has some health care to take care of your affliction.
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After posting my rant I about usmcvet and the republicon position against women, I realized that usmcvet is a guy. So, first of all, from one vet to another...thanks for your service. However, I cannot and never will apologize for my positions against that well-oiled weather vane of a party they have come to be. They are not Bob Dole or Ronald Reagans conservative party. Today they are a far right, radical group that created two wars and a prescription drug bill that they didn't even put on the books. They left it all unpaid for. Conservative? Irresponsible! They left that for Obama to do and then turn on Obama and complain about how the debt is all his fault! They call this man a foodstamp President when they are the ones who crashed the economy and caused this upswing in people who need the stamps. But it came together on Obama, sp it must be his fault. And then they preach less govt. and want to enact more govt with lies and bullshit tales about what they are going to do which doesn't jive with the platform they approved at the republican convention. WAKE UP! Yes, we are in tough times but before we knee-jerk...look closely at what they say and what the parties platform declare they will do. After you do that, when you are standing there with your mouth dangling wide open because you see the con...vote appropriately. But, please don't vote on rhetoric. 50% of the nations population is depending on you. Forgive for I rant.
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He goes…..I am register republican and don’t really trust either side. I am basically a tee party person. I believe in smaller government with less intervention in my business and personal life. I have been self employed for over 30 years now. I have watch regulation over the years coming down choking the life out of free enterprise both parties are to blame for this. If I ran my business like the government, I would be broke and in jail for fraud.

The extreme liberals want the government to control our lives by taking our money and dowel it out on how they see it fit. We are so far down the path of socialism I doubt it can be turned around. The extreme republicans want a government to restrict our personal choice. As I see it, both small extremist groups need to be thrown out of government.

Its time for fiscal responsibility whether you’re a D or R if they don’t stop printing money and get the debit under control we will all be living like the people in Greece. We will have a lot more problems that arguing about some stupid idiot about abortion. I firmly believe that is a personal choice and government should not intervene.

Remember to go vote! Great man and women have died for us, so you have the right to vote!

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The contrast between your neo-con Republicans and our neo-con Conservatives is quite interesting. Ideologically, they are in a similar ballpark but the Harper Conservatives seem more willing to temper that ideology with some common sense and pragmatism. Stephen Harper generally puts his foot down when someone goes too far while still allowing a little wiggle room for them to speak their piece. For instance, we just had a motion from a pro-life Conservative to investigate redefining the beginning of life from the moment of live birth to the moment of conception (obviously, though the man in question denies it, with a view to making abortion murder). The motion was not supported by the prime minister (but some of the Cabinet did) but he did allow it to go to a vote. It died a rather resounding death when it came to a vote though a few neo-con and Catholic members of our House of Commons did vote in favour. The key being that Harper, an evangelical neo-con, clearly stated during the debate that he had no intention of revisiting the abortion debate, which is quite the opposite of what we're hearing from key Republican neo-cons down there.

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I find it amusing that the Republicans, tea partiers, and others of their ilk prattle on about wanting government out of their lives (except for whatever benefits and tax cuts they can take advantage of, of course). Yet, when it comes to the most personal of decisions for women, whether or not to bear a child, they do not hesitate to want government intervention. The wealthy country club types who are the Romneys' friends will have choices nonetheless because they have money. No daughter of theirs would be subject to some 1950s back alley coat hanger procedure if she were pregnant and did not want to be - or, God forbid, raped.

So, ask yourself how you would feel if it were your wife, or sister, or daughter who was pregnant as a result of a rape and what you would want for her.

What is it that these men (and it is mostly men) do not understand? Is this just another way of undermining women? Is their ideal still the 19th century one that women be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen? Are they so threatened by women's self-determination and progress towards equality?

Let me be clear. No one will ever force any woman to have an abortion who does not want one. However, no politician, no Catholic, no other man or woman has the right to make that decision for me or other women who have different values or to take away their right to choose. Planned Parenthood matters. Funding for birth control information matters. Access to abortion matters. If health plans in the US can fund Viagra for men, there should be no argument about funding birth control for women.



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usmcvet wrote:
I wonder though, is it too much to ask to use birth control??? I am all for access (women and men) to birth control, I just don't think we ALL should have to pay for YOUR play. If you can't afford it, ABSTAIN!!! 675-lick


you're losing the thread here... the original post was abortion in the case of rape. Do you suggest that ALL women are on some sort of BC simply in case they are raped? i'm sure, given the choice, most of us would happily abstain from being impregnated by a stranger who sexually assaults us. why should we have to suffer for something we have no CHOICE in?

EDIT: sometimes i get worked up and don't make it the end of posts... after re-reading your post, i need to apologize for jumping to conclusions. :)
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pseudointellectualism...or lame brain to the highest bidder? Republican or democrat, we've voted for and touted assholes for their momentary decisiveness. Whatever fucking sells. If you buy into this bullshit. Go ahead, punch the ticket. It will be the same shit. Just a little less obtrusive to your miniscule interest. And, that is their feeling, not mine. Piss and moan as to my cynicism, it's the facts jack.



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TrishL31 wrote:

So...How's that "Hope and Change" thing working our for you?


Be very nice to see what happens when the first order of business is not fixing the mess left by Bush. The two unfinished, incompetently managed wars, the tax cuts for Mitt and co paid for on credit, the financial crisis caused by the incompetence of the banks and their regulators.

Still we have got universal health care so far, one war is finished and Bin Laden is dead. So it is certainly looking much better than at the start of the four years.

BTW the definition of 'partisan' is a politician who will agree to a proposal when it comes from his own side but oppose it tooth an nail from the other side. We have Obamacare here in Massachusetts, introduced by Mittens when he was governor. Now the shiftless lying shit is against it for no other reason than having to deny Democrats a success. I call that disgusting.

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