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MzRogue
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:57:32 PM

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Some religion is not bad. Anything can be bad when there are extremists... people who take it too far. However, I believe religion gives people hope. Some people need something to believe in to give them hope, much like kids believe in Santa Claus and such. So I believe it's not religion that's bad.. it's people who take it too far.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:21:16 PM

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Good if your the priest....Bad if your the alter boy
AnnieLuvsToFu
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:25:35 PM

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Good. It give some people comfort when they are in need.
DLizze
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:00:50 PM

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People are good or bad.

Religion is neither good nor bad; it merely IS.

"There's only three tempos: slow, medium and fast. When you get between in the cracks, ain't nuthin' happenin'." Ben Webster
nazhinaz
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:24:53 PM

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DLizze wrote:
People are good or bad.

Religion is neither good nor bad; it merely IS.

Lovely. Beautifully expressed about disfuntionality of religion.
Religion IS or was?
Guest
Posted: Friday, November 16, 2012 12:03:35 PM

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A excellent read and an excellent example as to why i do not discuss religion with anyone.Sword Fight
eiffel2007
Posted: Saturday, November 17, 2012 3:02:31 AM

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nazhinaz wrote:

Is not Islam giving false hopes for a heaven for suicide bombers?
Its so vivid; every one can see it.
And Islam is a religion like all others.
And yes, the Koranic verse as translated is" And slaughter them till all the deen (religion) is for god (meanining islam) and there is no fitna (disagreement or disruption).


You rather illustrate why it is dangerous for ill educated people to read scriptures. This article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kabir-helminski/does-the-quran-really-adv_b_722114.html explains why you can't take verses out of context but have to understand the nature of the scripture.

Undoubtedly, scriptures of all the major religions have been misinterpreted (often wilfully)and will continue to be. Just look at Westboro Baptists. There is plenty scope for 21st century readers to skew phrases in centuries old documents written for ancient desert peoples for their own purposes.

The Koran is not immune to this. It was written in a form of classical arabic that is subtly different from modern versions of the language. If one accepts that syriac was the original arabic language then significant changes are made to our understanding of key verses. Those famous 72 virgins in paradise, become 72 raisins. Read this fascinating article for more info http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5l

So the point I'm making is that when people say 'Islam is this' or 'Islam is that', unless you have studied the religion you are almost certainly judging the behaviour of adherents based upon the interpretations that have influenced them. Do the Amish represent christianity? Do gospel churches? catholics, evangelicals.... the list goes on.

One final link - President Bartlett pointing out some of the passages of the bible that christians tend to forget. If it's the word of god you can't pick and choose. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHN2yO3QeXU

I am an atheist, but I have studied the world religions. I believe that religion is a way of people seeing order in a chaotic world, and dealing with the fact that our loved ones die around us. It can be a force for good or ill. Which way it goes is down to people.


nazhinaz
Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:07:46 AM

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eiffel2007 wrote:


You rather illustrate why it is dangerous for ill educated people to read scriptures. This article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kabir-helminski/does-the-quran-really-adv_b_722114.html explains why you can't take verses out of context but have to understand the nature of the scripture.

Undoubtedly, scriptures of all the major religions have been misinterpreted (often wilfully)and will continue to be. Just look at Westboro Baptists. There is plenty scope for 21st century readers to skew phrases in centuries old documents written for ancient desert peoples for their own purposes.

The Koran is not immune to this. It was written in a form of classical arabic that is subtly different from modern versions of the language. If one accepts that syriac was the original arabic language then significant changes are made to our understanding of key verses. Those famous 72 virgins in paradise, become 72 raisins. Read this fascinating article for more info http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5l

So the point I'm making is that when people say 'Islam is this' or 'Islam is that', unless you have studied the religion you are almost certainly judging the behaviour of adherents based upon the interpretations that have influenced them. Do the Amish represent christianity? Do gospel churches? catholics, evangelicals.... the list goes on.

One final link - President Bartlett pointing out some of the passages of the bible that christians tend to forget. If it's the word of god you can't pick and choose. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHN2yO3QeXU

I am an atheist, but I have studied the world religions. I believe that religion is a way of people seeing order in a chaotic world, and dealing with the fact that our loved ones die around us. It can be a force for good or ill. Which way it goes is down to people.


I fail to understand your logic.
My basic argument is that religion as an institution was important till the humanity had not developed knowledge and tools to understand nature, forces of nature and
adversities of nature.
Religions presented adversities of nature as wrath on mankind.
Even Moon eclipse and Sun eclipse were considered as wrath of God and there are evidences that Muhammad did offer special prayers at these occassions.
Now, like all institutions, when mankind has equipped himself with appropriate tools to find new knowledge and research, this institution has become a stumbling block in the future advancement of mankind.
Do you think that when there is a Sun or Moon eclipse, should the astronomers research or we should take out a prayer mat and start special prayers to free the Sun and/ or the Moon?
Thats how this institution has become a stumbling bloc in the future advancement of mankind.
We should now place religion into the archieves or history museum; just like the institution of Marriage.
Kal-El85
Posted: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:24:23 PM

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Religion itself isn't bad or good; I feel it's more about how people use it.
Boombabong
Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 6:47:59 AM

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religions is not the point...men behind could be good or bad... religion has to be use with caution
Guest
Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:35:46 AM

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The Swiss Psychologist Carl Gustav Jung believed there is a 'Religious centre' in the brain. Perhaps religion is an expression of something in the human psyche.Nutbag

In any case - for me, Nihilism and Absurdism are the ways to go.angel7

Highwayman
Posted: Sunday, December 02, 2012 2:44:29 PM

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Looking at the Gaza Strip and Kashmir, I would say BAD, for all of us. Well, at least for those who don't condone armaments, self-righteousness, and ego as counterpoints.

‎"The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible." --Wilde
Oberon
Posted: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:16:34 PM

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Here's a thought:
The stories in the Bible weren't meant to be taken literally.
They're metaphors, relevant to their time.

What we need are new metaphors, relevant to our time.
Imagine thinking of the planet as God.

Tom's Notebook, or The Misadventures of an Unrepentant Souse, soon to be a major motion picture - well, a minor still-life drawing - penned by the trembling hand that conjured up such overtures to love-that-dare-not-stick-its-finger-down-its-throat, (for fear of what unspeakable horrors, from what unnamable levels of fresh hell, might conceivably become uncovered, and unwittingly dredged up), as The Extrapolated Scarlet Garment, Columbine in Fifth Street Traffic, and that Elmer Fudd inspired classic, Dwive, ("My wuv is wike a wed, wed, wose...") (pause for intermission, cigarettes, and the chance to catch one's breath), - is now perched like a flasher with a major grin pinned to his face, and a minor in French literature, upon Oberon's invitingly admission-fee-suspended, pimped and tarted profile page, for your perusal, and - although it's highly doubtful - your enjoyment.

(Please direct all outraged e-mails, uncollected invoices or litigation papers to the owners of this site.)

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