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LadyX
Posted: Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:34:06 PM

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stephanie wrote:


Spelling is DEFINITELY a good subject to teach......



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Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2011 1:59:04 AM

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As the "almighty creator" of this thread, I think maybe I should guide things back on track.

The question is: Should creationism be taught as an equal alternative to evolution.

Not...should comparative religion be taught in school. I don't think anyone has a problem with comparative mythology classes. but should such mythology be placed on the same level as science? That is the issue.
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Creationism should only be taught in public schools as an example of how some religious people try to cram their beliefs down everyone's throats. There is nothing that requires equal amounts of stupidity to be taught to offset science, but the right wing is working on it every day.

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If creationism is allowed into schools with as diverse of culture as we now have wouldn't they have to also allow other beliefs as well. Like where little green aliens are trapped on this planet living yet another one of their immortal lives as humans.(Scientology) Seriously? Doesn't evolution only tell us where human exsistance came from? Our exsistance came from SEX! And lots of it! They could eliminate all teachings of how we came to be and just show the kids a porno. It doesn't matter how we came to be it only matters how we end up!d'oh!

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Please spare the shit for other sites.

Need to be more reasonable, and have a good scientific approach towards things.

Gone are the days when they thought that the earth was created in days and universe was created within minutes..

We are not living in the "Bronze age"...


And please.... schools.. need to be kept out of this ..otherwise the coming generation will be full of deluded retards!!!!!!
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Posted: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:20:14 PM

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In most countries there is a choice. If you are from a religious background parents choose the school for their children (assumption of wealth), those who don't believe choose differently. Children when of age can then choose which path they take.

If one can't afford a religious school and there is belief, then other options are available.

Public schools should teach reading, writing and that other one..... Religious topics will come up but they should be taught in a balanced manner to not prejudice anyone or anything.

I often think the zealots over think these matters...what ever happened to good old common sense?

Whilst I am not religious I have seen how religion can save people from themselves...... the flip side is, we have all seen how religion can be used for truly horrible things in this world.



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ducky69 wrote:
In most countries there is a choice. If you are from a religious background parents choose the school for their children (assumption of wealth), those who don't believe choose differently. Children when of age can then choose which path they take.

If one can't afford a religious school and there is belief, then other options are available.

Public schools should teach reading, writing and that other one..... Religious topics will come up but they should be taught in a balanced manner to not prejudice anyone or anything.

I often think the zealots over think these matters...what ever happened to good old common sense?

Whilst I am not religious I have seen how religion can save people from themselves...... the flip side is, we have all seen how religion can be used for truly horrible things in this world.



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Posted: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:56:00 PM

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Let the schools handle evolution and the churches handle creationism. The schools have enough already with all of the bureaucratic crap put on them and parents that think their children are angel perfect geniuses.

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This is a free country (well to a point) each person can believe what they want. To fault someone that believes in creation, is wrong. They are not idiots or robots or anything else. Just as I would uphold your right to believe in a non-proven theory of evolution i would fight for the right of creation. When it comes down to FIRST CAUSE both are problematic.
If someone is to make a decision for themselves what to believe they need to know both. To elevate one or the other because we think one is better is not democracy but heresy. Our country was founded on Christian principles not evolution. It is like a parent saying their children are free to go to church if they want to while the parent sits home and does not. They have by negligence or design made the decision already for the child.
Since politics was brought up. Republicans would give you the choice while democrats would make you believe what they believe.
Schools not only teach math, science and the fundamentals, but they also are to open the mind to new possibilities. The greatest part of the education process especially in the college setting is to expand and challenge the mind. That can only be done by teaching all theories.
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thesilkyknot wrote:
Please spare the shit for other sites.

Need to be more reasonable, and have a good scientific approach towards things.

Gone are the days when they thought that the earth was created in days and universe was created within minutes..

We are not living in the "Bronze age"...


And please.... schools.. need to be kept out of this ..otherwise the coming generation will be full of deluded retards!!!!!!


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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:41:33 AM

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I don't remember being taught evolution or creationism in school; not in the sense that anyone ever told me that one or the other was correct, at least. Not even the ministers that regularly visited my primary school were so inclined to do so, only teaching us the morals of Christianity (although I still resented the imposition of religion in a supposedly non-denominational school).

One should be taught as a biological concept, the other as a religious one. We should not presume to impress any one particular theory upon young people. It is fair enough to say, "That is what some people believe and this is what others think," but I think it would be unfair to try to influence such malleable minds one way or the other.

In short, no. Creationism should not be put forward in schools as the definitive theory of the origin of man, but neither should evolution. Either leave it out of the curriculum altogether, or teach them everything. They'll make up their own minds in the end.

(For the record, I believe strongly in the theory of evolution and would FLIP if a school started teaching my children creationism. Incidentally, I have a very intelligent friend (a student of science, no less) who is an ardent creationist and you can't help but admire the strength of his conviction. Faith is a very powerful thing.)

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instead of teaching things that are taught in the churches already, or not even really a nessecary life skill, how about we teach math properly, or grammer? Or ets NOT cut home ec, instead lets use it to teach kids how to cook good food that is good to eat and good for them! lets keep PE so those same kids can learn to love activity and sports. Lets create Healthy functioning adults who can go to the church of their choice throughout their no longer lives and learn all that they wish to learn!


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Church and state separate! No creationism in schools!
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thesilkyknot wrote:
Please spare the shit for other sites.

Need to be more reasonable, and have a good scientific approach towards things.

Gone are the days when they thought that the earth was created in days and universe was created within minutes..

We are not living in the "Bronze age"...


And please.... schools.. need to be kept out of this ..otherwise the coming generation will be full of deluded retards!!!!!!


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football in Europe = soccer in the U.S. Just wanted to make it clear for the creationists. I know it's hard.
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Creationism is an idea of a religious bent. Let the churches teach it. Let the school teach loyalty to your Nation and its Flag
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I think I see what you're getting at, but it leaves a lot of getting at by the bible thumpers.
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Pelicanbill wrote:
Creationism is an idea of a religious bent. Let the churches teach it. Let the school teach loyalty to your Nation and its Flag


Come again?

Oh...carry on. Heil Hitler!

Let's forget about educating people and just indoctrinate everyone. Trade one fucked up idea for another.

Yeah, I'm down with that. And while we are at it..everyone can grow up to be laborers at the local oil change shop or Dairy Queen. What's good for American imperialism is good for you.

Remember to tithe at the door on your way out. We gotta fund those 750 plus military bases around the world.

I think I'd rather learn about god and moses and those ten fcking commandments. And that guy who walked on water. Jose'

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The public schools should just teach. The USA spends more money per pupil than most other modern industrial technology nations yet accomplishes so much less when it comes to education. Take the politics out and get down to the basics. What people believe and read is their own business but take all of the indoctrinization out of the schools, both the left wing and right wing.

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Boy constant gardner must be a democrat. He thinks we should all believe like him. You know what they say. If you can't amaze them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. But then again i would fight for his right to believe in what he does even if it is wrong.
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I might have gotten it wrong. I think it is silkyknot. No need to be upset this is an open honest discussion. A heated one but good. Can you explain 'First Cause' to me?
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Not in science class. Creationism isn't science (which means that it's not a rival theory to evolution).

If the high school teaches a philosophy class then that's the proper place for it, if it's taught at all (in philosophy, which was my major at university, creationism would be classified under metaphysics).

Creationism is a religious doctrine with very little philosophical value (there are other religiously-aligned theories in metaphysics that better demonstrate the same thing that creationism tries to demonstrate, with more philosophical meat to them). It's essentially a religious doctrine masquerading as something empirical. Unfortunately, it falls far short of what it's trying to do. Its most appropriate place belongs in the church.
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thesilkyknot wrote:
Please spare the shit for other sites.

Need to be more reasonable, and have a good scientific approach towards things.

Gone are the days when they thought that the earth was created in days and universe was created within minutes..

We are not living in the "Bronze age"...


And please.... schools.. need to be kept out of this ..otherwise the coming generation will be full of deluded retards!!!!!!


Sorry it was silky know
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Again I could not disagree more. You still have the problem of FIRST CAUSE. Where did God come from? Where did molecules, atoms, come from?
The Bible says that a 1,000 days is like one day to God. I do believe in adaptation and evolution of a particular species, within the species but not across species.
You can wait a million years at the end of the jungle and not one monkey is going to change into a human. Why did they stop? The simplest and easiest way to multiply is to divide, like an ameba. Why did that change? By the time humans could grow sex organs and learn how to use them, the species would have died out.
If Creationism is taught like a science class you could see the challenges.
I just don't think you can exploit one over the other just because one is not popular. Amen.

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hwillnow wrote:
I believe in the story and the story evolves.


Heartily agree. I'm agnostic myself and this is usually how I phrase it: If there is a god (spiritual force, higher power, bearded dude flying in the sky, Flying Spaghetti Monster, maltheistic evil entity controlling our whims, if it's all just love, or chaos, or whatever... however you envision that thing) it works through evolution.

I don't see an inherent contradiction between science and religion. I think that many religious people manufacture a fight between them because they are pissed that science has infused itself so deeply in culture that it informs even our religious attitudes. Those people just need to learn how to chill the fuck out, unknot their panties, and pull that splinter out of their urethra.
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hwillnow wrote:
Again I could not disagree more. You still have the problem of FIRST CAUSE. Where did God come from? Where did molecules, atoms, come from?
The Bible says that a 1,000 days is like one day to God. I do believe in adaptation and evolution of a particular species, within the species but not across species.
You can wait a million years at the end of the jungle and not one monkey is going to change into a human. Why did they stop? The simplest and easiest way to multiply is to divide, like an ameba. Why did that change? By the time humans could grow sex organs and learn how to use them, the species would have died out.
If Creationism is taught like a science class you could see the challenges.
I just don't think you can exploit one over the other just because one is not popular. Amen.

I believe in the story and the story evolves.


Soooooooooooo many problems it is difficult to know where to start.

First Cause where did God come from? Well the particular God I am sure you are referring to came from the imagination of a primitive Bronze Age mind somewhere in modern day Isreal/Palistine.

Where did molecules, atoms, come from? Interesting question and we don’t know the answer that is why there is this thing called research. Extremely clever people are doing experiments to reach conclusions into where the evidence leads them at places like CERN.

What they don’t do is look in the Bronze Age book for the answer. The book one must remember written by people who knew relatively nothing compared to what we know today when it comes to the nature of the universe.

Presumably you just think that those people are just wasting their time and an awful lot of money when we all know the first cause of the universe “God did it”

hwillnow wrote:
The Bible says that a 1,000 days is like one day to God. I do believe in adaptation and evolution of a particular species, within the species but not across species.
You can wait a million years at the end of the jungle and not one monkey is going to change into a human. Why did they stop?



I am not the first person to say this and I will not be the last. “A monkey did not transform itself into a human. Human beings share a commen ancestor with Apes, Chimps etc”

You know nothing about what evolution is, read about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

hwillnow wrote:
The simplest and easiest way to multiply is to divide, like an ameba. Why did that change? By the time humans could grow sex organs and learn how to use them, the species would have died out.


Again many theories on how it exactly happened, but it isn’t in the primitive book. But your statement again proves you know nothing and couldn’t even be bothered to read the wikipedia entry on the subject

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_sexual_reproduction

hwillnow wrote:
If Creationism is taught like a science class you could see the challenges.


If Creationism is taught like a science class to anyone who knows what they are talking and about the nature of the universe they will roll on the floor laughing before picking themselves up and schooling the idiot who thinks he is teaching them xomething. .

hwillnow wrote:
I just don't think you can exploit one over the other just because one is not popular. Amen.



You don’t dismiss an idea because it is unpopular. In America 44% of people say they believe in it. You reject the idea because there is no basis in reality to support it. It is in the same way that we don’t teach Astrology or Alchemy in school. Not because they lack popularity, its because they lack credibility and a basis in reality.
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I really love this discussion. When people can't explain something they don't try to counter they only criticize.

What about Ramapithecus: thought to be the missing link between monkey and man, man like ape.
Australopithecus: Ape like skull with man like teeth.

Research: I find a brick and from looking at the brick i make an hypothesis that it came from a 15 story building that had 30 windows and 50 bathrooms. Now instead of putting everything to the test I find more bricks and assume they came from the same building until i have the building built.

Supposedly dinosaurs lived millions of years before man, yet in Texas a dinosaur and human track are found together.
A living snail was tested and found to be 27,000 years old.

All dating systems are based on three assumptions, which can’t be proved. They are {I} The system under study is an isolated system. {II} The decay rate is constant. But modern researches showed it is not. {III} The initial quantity of the parent element is known. But it’s not.

Those "people who knew relatively nothing" sure made an impact in the world. I am not saying live by blind faith, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Creationism can be taught, because science does not have all the answers and many of the so called proofs can be disproven.

Have you ever seen a white crow? Does not mean it does not exist you just have not seen it yet.

Jackknife would send people away who came to him for a healing, because God is a myth. He would also conclude that it is better not to have faith than have a false faith.
Evolution offers no hope only a promise of death and that not even science can stop. I am glad we have the solved all the world's problems. Evolution seeks to disprove God. Creation says there is a God and all things are possible. Science has brought us many wonderful things. I do not believe it is a waste of money. But it is not the total answer either.
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"Evolution seeks to disprove God."

No. That was not Darwin's intent.

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