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1curiouscat
Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:56:45 AM

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Creationism has no place in a science class.

If you wish to teach it, then create a diferent course for it. No problem with that.



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wiseowl
Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2012 3:18:06 PM

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It's always best to tell the truth.
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Posted: Sunday, April 01, 2012 11:30:08 PM

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Sure, why not? It teaches controversy.
Ruthie
Posted: Monday, April 02, 2012 1:32:23 AM

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No. Creationism shouldn't be taught in schools as a science because it isn't a science. It's made up bullshit.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:39:53 AM

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Sure. Fantasy and Fairytales 101.
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Posted: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:48:02 PM

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Only in a Religious Studies course.

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redlips
Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:47:17 PM

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IMO, creationism should be taught, but not as science. There are several theories of creationism and all of them could be covered and explained. Would be very interesting and educating to study the comparisons. Neither should evolution be taught as a science except as 'in species' evolution. No scientific fact ever of a bovine becoming an equine, a canine becoming a feline, etc. Creationism if not scientific nor necessarily religious. Neither is philosophy. Teach it for the educational value, to get people to think, not as a set fact.

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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:00:05 PM

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Thing is that creationism is all about religion, just in educational garb. A lamb in wolfs clothing if you will. And, with the premise that it's not science, creationist or Intelligent Designers only want one thing. To stop what is actual science. I see nothing educational or controversial about crerationist/ID theory.

And neither does this guy.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:29:12 PM

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I've said it a million times.. take the money out of religion and there wouldn't be any at all.. except for the radical believe or die groups.. I'm never surprised at the effort people put forth to rationalize their completely insane beliefs.. just the other day me and the elves were talking about this shit when the tooth fairy stopped by.. we all agreed that religion in general was basically for people who don't have cable or a satellite dish.. so in response to the original query.. no.. creationism is a myth perpetuated by shysters and carriers of disease and should not be taught in any forum or media.. 'nuff said..
redlips
Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:50:10 PM

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To several on both sides of this discussion, it sounds as if you prefer to have taught only what you believe to be the truth. Surely that is not good. Isn't it good for each person to be presented with as much information as possible and then make up their own mind? The thread was not asking if creationism was right or wrong, but whether it should be offered in a class. To make a decision when you don't even know what both sides teach seems ........absurd?

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Graham_X
Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:48:30 AM

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Here in the UK religion is taught as a statutory subject, although it is more learning about and from religion rather than teaching students to be religious. In that sense it provides a forum for the type of comparison that Redlips is talking about and covers the six main World religions found in the UK. Even there creationism isn't taught except in the sense that this is what some Christians believe.

What is interesting is that the whole creationism v. evolution debate doesn't seem to be an issue here as far as I am aware. Whether this is because religion is taught as a discrete subject I don't know.



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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:57:30 AM

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Creationism has no place in education except to mention it for what it is and the harm it has done in our country. Religion can be taught as a cultural phenomenon of great significance in world history and in contemporary America. It will be emphasized in religion-based schools and hover far in the background in true academia. A person wanting to major in sociology or philosophy would probably need some formal education in the history and workings of religion. I am an atheist, but I find religion to be fasacinating and enjoy reading how it has evolved and been used over the centuries. Jesus was not a man, by the way. No such person ever lived. Although a negative can't be proved, there is solid evidence for the point of view I expressed. Jesus is an amalgam of prior deity figures...a Santa Claus for adults, a power tool for church leaders and politicians. Now back to creationism. This is a relatively new branch of the cult. It evolved to defend against all the God-debunking knowledge that science has churned up in the past two hundred years.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:53:52 AM

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Creationism in America is taught in churches where it should be. Public schools should emphasize mathematics, science & English. The USA spends more per pupil for education than nearly every other modern nation yet we barely crack the Top 40 in the world in results. Something is every wrong with that!

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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:51:36 AM

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Ummmm let me think about this for like half a second.......NO! Well you can teach it to the really dumb people if you want, but the rest of us should all learn BIOLOGY and MATH. Oh Jeez I wonder why China is overtaking our economy.......we are experts in "creationism" while they excel at Math, Engineering and Physics. Jeez people grab a brain.
redlips
Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:40:28 PM

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Jennyontop you are so beautiful; I want to kiss and carress you.......but No No No. Yes, math and science and biology and physics are facts and we should learn them all, but we also need to learn to make decisions after digesting ideas and thinking through different concepts. Not just absorb facts but THINK and make a decision. People need to be taught that process. Is captailism better then socialism? Why? Is this ethical and that not? Why? Is evolution right and creationism wrong? Why? We need to think them through and THEN decide for ourselves, not just be told what is and isn't. That is the process of 'grabbing a brain' you are talking about.

Now kiss me and I will go away!!!

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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:52:57 PM

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Such is the usual tactic.

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Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:13:42 AM

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Good clip Eviotis. That man was so calm in the face of it. I don't know how he did it. Although his face did turn a bit red. evil4
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Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:08:39 PM

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Richard Dawkins (that man) has since turned down further requests for debate.
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Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:29:20 PM

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I believe that creativity is a good tool to be taught but it should not be mandatory. I think that people should be taught how to compromise, problem solve and think critically. Also being capable of making a career goal earlier on is a good thing. Something that should be advanced in schools is guidance. More and more teens are graduating high school without any idea or little to no idea as to where they're going, or they drop out of university realising that wasn't what they wanted to do. It's becoming a problem.
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Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:31:35 PM

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Just in case:

Creationism: a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis.

Carry on.
redlips
Posted: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:29:31 PM

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I agree with BSlain and she said it beautifully.

If you ignore beauty, you will soon find yourself without it.................Frank Lloyd Wright

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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:16:23 AM

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I think the issue with creationism is that there are so many different theories within the concept itself that it all just gets confusing. Some creationists say the world is 6000 years old, and some agree with science, saying it's billions of years old.
When I was at school we learnt all the God stories like the six day thing and Noah's Ark and stuff but it wasn't being put across to us as facts. I don't think there's anything wrong with the RE aspect of school. Science lessons are obviously not the place for creationism lessons because science is supposed to be concrete facts and there's no evidence of there being a Creator and to be honest, the whole theory kind of denies science altogether.
Children can be taught various views in RE lessons and then they can make up their own minds about what they believe. In Biology we got taught about Darwin and all that but to be honest, a lot of kids didn't believe in it at all but just learnt the stuff for exams and then left it at that. If children are really interested in where they've come from and don't believe the science theories, they have plenty of opportunity to do some research, visit some religious places and decide on their own opinions.
Evolution can be taught over and over again but some children will never really accept it. That may be because they come from religious families or simply because they can't agree with the concept of their ancestors being apes. Science is supposed to be based on facts but the theory of evolution is often just seen as 'one point of view'. I don't think there's any one mindset which all people can find common ground on and that's why creationism and evolution should just stick to the RE side of school; the place where the kids can discuss, debate and make up their own minds instead of being spoon-fed facts which the majority of them don't even believe.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:26:40 PM

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Interesting

So, is it common practice in England to teach creationism in school? I am sure the citizenry are happy to contribute to such beliefs through their taxes. How long has this been going on?

It seems so pleasant.



Thing is, here in the States, we don't want a Queen telling us to support her beliefs, let alone any U.S. special interest through our taxes. And, as for believing, I seriously can't sit down with my kid and tell her that for 40 days and 40 nights all of the creatures of the world arrived safely on Ararat without a few ending up in digestive tracts. How much meat does a lion, tiger, puma, T-Rex, velociraptor, jaguar, alligator, crocodile eat in a day, Daddy?

Well hun, it was all done through a higher power.

Discuss creationism in Church, fund schools galore that celebrate in such joy through your own monies. Lets see how far that gets.



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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:59:30 AM

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This could probably have a place in many a thread, but this will suffice.

I was watching a program on the computer earlier this evening past...and it occurred to me - when did we commonly (as a collective species) begin to refer to our past history... as BC (before christ) and AD (after death)?

It is prevalent. We've all done it, we accept it. I do because it gives me a point of reference - and it is all that I have known to refer to.

But why?

Is it because I was taught to do so by my parent(s), and then teachers and then every fucking-one-else on the planet?

It just gives me a point to wonder from. And I've spent the last 2 hours on Google .. trying to determine when that custom first became the norm.

I either don't know the correct search terms ( and I'm beginning to think that is so), or I am just damned ignorant (more probable). But really, it is one and the same.

I have no fucking clue about this...and it is something I've long thought about.

So I pose this to the Lush gallery. Surely someone can educate me?

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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:12:43 AM

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WellMadeMale wrote:
This could probably have a place in many a thread, but this will suffice.

I was watching a program on the computer earlier this evening past...and it occurred to me - when did we commonly (as a collective species) begin to refer to our past history... as BC (before christ) and AD (after death)?



So I pose this to the Lush gallery. Surely someone can educate me?


"Anno Domini" - In The Year of Our Lord.

The first calendars used widely in the Western World were devised by the only educated people around: the monks. They viewed the world around them in terms of their relationship with God, and their calendars reflected that. The calendar we use now is the same one commissioned by Pope Gregory- the Gregorian calendar. It's the most widely used calendar in the world for the same reason English is the most widely used language. It's convenient and it works.

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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:13:02 AM

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ofcourse creationism should be taught in science.

along with

the Loch Ness monster
The Yeti
Atlantis

If you want to believe in fairy tales good for you, but don't impose them on the rest of us with brains
WellMadeMale
Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:27:27 PM

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MrNudiePants wrote:


"Anno Domini" - In The Year of Our Lord.


And so it is, with assuming. Thanks for the partial, Nudes.

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Posted: Friday, April 27, 2012 2:07:16 PM

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I feel that if there is a demand for it to be taught then go for it...but only if it was taught as a debatable subject. One can have a deeper insight into everything without being corrupted by it if it is taught in the right way.
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Posted: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:35:01 PM

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I have a problem with religious education being taught in our schools for several reasons.

These being that if You want your child instructed in any form of religion there are other forums in which this can be achieved.
Unlike the more standard Maths, English and Science which has only one venue. This is what our public school system is for and teachers have enough trouble teaching those 3 subjects to our youth without time being set aside for the instruction of religion. Particularly when it is a one sided instruction only incorperating Christianity. I would be more than happy for religion to be taught to my children if it was a true instruction involving all the religions of the world in an unbiased and informative way, I think including the debate of creationism into this forum would be ok.

In Australia RE is currently taught in public primary schools once a week, not by a teacher but by volunteers from the local church. These lovely older ladies are not teachers and they're not teaching the ability to take in information and work out for your self what you believe. They're telling my 5 year old (at the time) that if he didn't believe in God then he would go to Hell.
When he came home with that little gem I immediately opted them out of all religious education. They now spend that time doing further maths study which I feel is a great improvement over wondering if they're going to go to Hell!

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