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lafayettemister
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 8:52:11 AM

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NYC Bans Smoking Outside

I'm not a smoker. I've never been a smoker, just not my thing. But, should smokers be lawfully forced in this manner? I remember the days of Smoking and NonSmoking sections in restaraunts. Was it a pain when my table was near the smoking section, a little. Did it ruin my mean, no. If I went out to a bar or nightclub, I expected it to be smoky and for my clothes to stink when I got home. If I didnt' want to be exposed to cigarette smoke it would be my choice to NOT go somewhere that was smoky.

There is a local ad that's been playing on tv around here. Something about all of us breathing clean air, except for bartenders, waitresses/waiters, casino workers. They still must work in smoke filled environments at the detriment of their own health. If a person working in those fields is bothered by smoke... they can change jobs/profession can't they? No one is holding a gun to their heads to stay there right? Yea, it would be hard to do, but it IS a choice to stay in that environment.

What say you?





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Sexpertteen18
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 8:57:38 AM

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As a smoker myself (though a light one) I think it's shitty to ban it outside. I've heard that they've banned it in some apartment buildings in NY too. Yes smoking is bad for one's health and can be a pet peeves of the people around cigarette smoke, but smokers are still people and should not be treated like animals. I just think it's kind of ridiculous. Luckily the laws aren't as intense here in MI lol.
LadyX
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:12:59 AM

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I fully support banning smoking in bars and restaurants. I work in a bar, and yes, technically I could find someplace else to work, but why should I? Why should somebody's habit, which is harmful to others around them, take precedence over my own health? They can easily go outside if they want/need to smoke. But, I don't think I agree with the next step, which is making it illegal outside, too. I think I could support a ban on smoking outside of schools, or in outdoor shopping centers, or within the outdoor areas of restaurants, etc. Any place where the choice is to either breathe second-hand smoke or not patronize a business seems onerous to non-smokers.

Apparently, the smoking ban in bars and restaurants where I live is fairly new. My boss tells me that everyone freaked out when the bans started getting talked about, and smokers threatened to not go to bars anymore, etc. And now that it's enforced, is my bar empty? Of course not, and everyone's fine.
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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:22:14 AM

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lafayettemister wrote:
[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/22/eveningnews/main20065184.shtml]NYC Bans Smoking Outside[/url

There is a local ad that's been playing on tv around here. Something about all of us breathing clean air, except for bartenders, waitresses/waiters, casino workers. They still must work in smoke filled environments at the detriment of their own health. If a person working in those fields is bothered by smoke... they can change jobs/profession can't they? No one is holding a gun to their heads to stay there right? Yea, it would be hard to do, but it IS a choice to stay in that environment.

What say you?


What's the unemployment rate at right now? I'm a waitress. i don't smoke, i never have. i don't like the smell of it, it makes me ill, i don't like that fact that breathing someone else's smoke could lead to health problems. Fortunately, the city i work in bans smoking in public places like bars and restaurants. Honestly, if it didn't, you're right, i probably would find employment else where, it's that big an issue with me. like... well, i hear Mcdonald's is hiring. i guess i could get to not being able to afford a car, rent, food, health insurance again, so that someone else has the right to smoke in my workplace. or, i could just buck up and be miserable for 8 hours plus a day, so i could make a living.

btw, one of my co-workers is pregnant. Might bother her a bit too, but yeah, it's her choice - quit and get another job while dealing with being with baby, or expose her unborn child to cigerette smoke. You say it 'bothers' people like it's not such a big deal, and yeah, maybe it isn't if you just have to have a meal on the other side of the restaurant for an hour or so, but when it's in your face all day? what about MY rights, not to have to be exposed to the proven ill effects of second hand smoke? really, it is asking so much for people to put away their ciggi's for like an our or so while they have a drink or 3? and what about the people i serve who don't smoke, having to deal with the stink of tabacco that acumulates on my clothes during my shift?

for any smokers out there, yeah, probably you don't notice it, but i can spot a smoker at 5 feet simply by smell - the bigger their habit, the more they reek. i can tell, when i take your order that you put one out just before coming in, and i put up with it without saying a word, but really, if i hadn't showered for a few weeks and sat down at the stool next to you, you'd probably not enjoy it.

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CuriousButterfly
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:39:31 AM

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I'm a smoker and dream of quitting, but for now I give in to this disgusting habit that I have. I live in a city where smoking was banned from restaurants, bars, casinos and even covered patios...and I have to say its quite a relief.
I limit my smoking to my balcony and my car with the windows fully open. I try not to be a nuisance with my smoking and really try and respect the non-smokers around me.

I always say that if we wore our lungs on the outside of our bodies then everyone would quit smoking.

My 2 cents


Edit: It doesn't help that I have a boyfriend with a smoking fetish - but he says he will be supportive if I do indeed quit.

Dancing_Doll
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:40:41 AM

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Second hand smoke is not just 'a bother', it's a proven health risk. Nobody has the right to infringe upon the health of another person just because of a habit that can easily be contained elsewhere. Why should I have to boil my clothes and empty an entire shampoo bottle every time I come back from a bar in order not to stink up my bedsheets? To say nothing of what is happening to my lungs. Yes, I guess I could choose not to go to bars and restaurants if I'm bothered by smoke... but by the same token, smokers can also now choose to not to go to these places because they're no longer allowed to indulge their habit.

The concept of "why can't you just find someplace else to work" now translates to "why can't you just find someplace else to smoke"...

The latter idea certainly sounds more reasonable.




lafayettemister
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:42:28 AM

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But can personal freedoms be removed by law? Similarly, motorcycle riders are not made to wear helmets. Should that be the rider's choice? Granted, there's no second hand effect that could harm others. Today it's cigarettes. What could it be next? No alcohol in public? If alchohol isn't served in restaurants would there be a sizable decrease in drunk driving arrests and deaths?

Like I said, I'm not a smoker so I don't have a dog in this fight. The debate is interesting though.





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LadyX
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:54:48 AM

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You're right, it's an issue of personal freedom, but not just on the side of smokers. What about somebody's freedom not to incur lung damage by second-hand smoke? A libertarian would say, "but even if it's legal, a bar can still choose to ban smoking on their own." This is true, but without the force of law behind it, what bar is going to be the first off that cliff? Yes, there would be a workable niche for non-smoking bars, but nobody wants to risk the viability of their business on their own. By putting the law behind it, everyone benefits (except for smokers, granted). Generally, I agree with DD, in that the demographics have shifted. In society, even in the world of nightlife, the smokers are now outnumbered. They can go outside to smoke if they must; after all, that's what I did, and it didn't make me indignant that I was prevented from grossing others out by doing it indoors.
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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:00:34 AM

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I was just about to go out and have a smoke but thought I might drop my two cents worth into the debate. I have been a smoker for a while have tried a number of time to give up but well still have a habit.

I live in one of the most (well I think) politically correct, do-gooder run countries in the world. We have just about regulated or banned everything here. Some has been positive but their are minorities that have political weight that cause other a lot of stress and discomfort.

That being said though I agree with the concept that smokers should not be allowed to smoke in or around workplaces that may cause health problems for other. But if outside away from other then what is the issue.Regaeman Man

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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:01:07 AM

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lafayettemister wrote:
But can personal freedoms be removed by law? Similarly, motorcycle riders are not made to wear helmets. Should that be the rider's choice? Granted, there's no second hand effect that could harm others. Today it's cigarettes. What could it be next? No alcohol in public? If alchohol isn't served in restaurants would there be a sizable decrease in drunk driving arrests and deaths?

Like I said, I'm not a smoker so I don't have a dog in this fight. The debate is interesting though.


I don't see this as a right being removed by law. I see this as a right being protected by law. My right to clean air, and the previously mentioned pregnant worker's right to not expose her baby to harmful toxins. As for the motorcycle riders, that must be specific to your state/country. In Canada we've had motorcycle helmet laws probably as long as we've had seat belt laws, if not longer. The theory is twofold, one, it protects riders from their own stupidity, and with our public health system, it helps me from having to pay for someone else's stupidity.

Sometimes lawmakers do actually do things for our own good, when we've shown we have no inclination as a group to do anything about it on our own.
sprite
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:03:16 AM

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lafayettemister wrote:
But can personal freedoms be removed by law? Similarly, motorcycle riders are not made to wear helmets. Should that be the rider's choice? Granted, there's no second hand effect that could harm others. Today it's cigarettes. What could it be next? No alcohol in public? If alchohol isn't served in restaurants would there be a sizable decrease in drunk driving arrests and deaths?

Like I said, I'm not a smoker so I don't have a dog in this fight. The debate is interesting though.


drinking alchohol responsibly at my restaurant wouldn't put my health at risk. sure, i deal with obnoxious drinkers from time to time and yeah, i have carte blanche to cut them off if they get too drunk, but mostly, it's just a bit of a pain; being around them won't give me lung cancer. as for the helmet laws, i can see both sides of the issue, personal freedom vs the taxpayers getting tired of paying medical costs for drivers who end up bouncing down the freeway on their heads. Same thing with the seatbelt laws - personally, even it there wasn't a law, i'd wear one - it's just plain good sense and might just save my life someday.

the thing is, ciggerettes are PROVEN health hazards, as Doll said, not just to the smoker, but to those around them. it's MY choice NOT to smoke, and really, it should be my RIGHT not to have to breath in someone else's smoke. you know that there are children and babies at restaurants, not just adults with choices? is it fair to expose them too?

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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:20:56 AM

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Just to be Devil's Advocate....

Washington D.C., New York, and Florida have the highest rates of reported HIV in the country. Chances are that a overwhelming majority of those that contracted it didn't get it from their long time spouse or partner. Should these states make it illegal to have unprotected sex? We all choose to have sex.... protected or unprotected. Chances are any one night stand or short lived relationships or fuck buddies may not not even know he/she has it. In order to protect unknowing contraction of it, should barebacking be illegal?

I know i'm reaching there btw. I know I'll get crucified for this.





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sprite
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:30:23 AM

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lafayettemister wrote:
Just to be Devil's Advocate....

Washington D.C., New York, and Florida have the highest rates of reported HIV in the country. Chances are that a overwhelming majority of those that contracted it didn't get it from their long time spouse or partner. Should these states make it illegal to have unprotected sex? We all choose to have sex.... protected or unprotected. Chances are any one night stand or short lived relationships or fuck buddies may not not even know he/she has it. In order to protect unknowing contraction of it, should barebacking be illegal?

I know i'm reaching there btw. I know I'll get crucified for this.


i believe that there is a precedent set for filing suits against anyone knowingly having HIV having unprotected sex and not telling their partners? i know there was a thread about that here. And yeah, have fun enforcing that one - i'll ask my boss to put a sign up at the pub: no shoes, no shirt, no condoms, no service. :)

dude... is it really asking too much to ask someone to be polite and not light up where i have to smell it? i mean, fine, i put up with it when i'm out walking and have to past smokers (i hold my breath) but seriously, they can't go for an hour or two without lighting up? just go outside for 5 minutes if they really need to smoke! it will keep me from spitting into their Pepsi before i serve it to them *evil grin*

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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:30:29 AM

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lafayettemister wrote:
Just to be Devil's Advocate....

Washington D.C., New York, and Florida have the highest rates of reported HIV in the country. Chances are that a overwhelming majority of those that contracted it didn't get it from their long time spouse or partner. Should these states make it illegal to have unprotected sex? We all choose to have sex.... protected or unprotected. Chances are any one night stand or short lived relationships or fuck buddies may not not even know he/she has it. In order to protect unknowing contraction of it, should barebacking be illegal?

I know i'm reaching there btw. I know I'll get crucified for this.


But... it's not illegal to smoke.

I think it would be illegal to force someone to have unprotected sex with an HIV positive person though. Same as how a nonsmoker shouldn't be forced to incur health risks by being exposed to second hand smoke.

I'm all for free choice as long as it doesn't directly impact other people in a negative way.


lafayettemister
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:41:16 AM

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sprite wrote:
lafayettemister wrote:
Just to be Devil's Advocate....

Washington D.C., New York, and Florida have the highest rates of reported HIV in the country. Chances are that a overwhelming majority of those that contracted it didn't get it from their long time spouse or partner. Should these states make it illegal to have unprotected sex? We all choose to have sex.... protected or unprotected. Chances are any one night stand or short lived relationships or fuck buddies may not not even know he/she has it. In order to protect unknowing contraction of it, should barebacking be illegal?

I know i'm reaching there btw. I know I'll get crucified for this.


i believe that there is a precedent set for filing suits against anyone knowingly having HIV having unprotected sex and not telling their partners? i know there was a thread about that here. And yeah, have fun enforcing that one - i'll ask my boss to put a sign up at the pub: no shoes, no shirt, no condoms, no service. :)

dude... is it really asking too much to ask someone to be polite and not light up where i have to smell it? i mean, fine, i put up with it when i'm out walking and have to past smokers (i hold my breath) but seriously, they can't go for an hour or two without lighting up? just go outside for 5 minutes if they really need to smoke! it will keep me from spitting into their Pepsi before i serve it to them *evil grin*


Yes, there is precedent to that. What I mean is, can you legislate manners or behavior or actions?

Funny thing.. I agree with you Rachel. Most smokers are polite in their habit. As far as smoking in people's homes or in other "unpolite" places. But the original post here is that NY has made it illegal to smoke outside even. So now some guy can't go sit in the park and enjoy the outdoors AND have a smoke? Truly, I think banning smoke indoors is probably a good thing. Second hand smoke is killer, we all know that. However, telling people that he can't light up outside seems a bit extreme.. in my humble yet limited opinion.





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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:51:24 AM

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lafayettemister wrote:
[quote=sprite][quote=lafayettemister]

Funny thing.. I agree with you Rachel. Most smokers are polite in their habit. As far as smoking in people's homes or in other "unpolite" places. But the original post here is that NY has made it illegal to smoke outside even. So now some guy can't go sit in the park and enjoy the outdoors AND have a smoke? Truly, I think banning smoke indoors is probably a good thing. Second hand smoke is killer, we all know that. However, telling people that he can't light up outside seems a bit extreme.. in my humble yet limited opinion.


if smoker's were able to take politeness into consideration in their habits in the first place, i bet there'd have been no movement for such a ban - really, it's all those guys who insist on blowing smoke in people's faces once they were asked if they wouldn't mind not not lighting up around people's kids that probably lit a fire under someone to put a ban into effect in the first place. i mean, i am ALL about personal rights, but hey, if you can't police yourself, sometimes you find that there are people who are going to find a way to do it for you.

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In all honesty smoking outside? No issues with it long as it don't blow in my face I'm good. Now the ban in restaurants and such I am all for it the smell of ciggy smoke I am a bit allergic to it and nothing worse than smelling it while I am eating I hate that. But banning it outside unless the property owner does not want it then no the government shouldn't

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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:07:02 AM

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sprite wrote:
lafayettemister wrote:
[quote=sprite][quote=lafayettemister]

Funny thing.. I agree with you Rachel. Most smokers are polite in their habit. As far as smoking in people's homes or in other "unpolite" places. But the original post here is that NY has made it illegal to smoke outside even. So now some guy can't go sit in the park and enjoy the outdoors AND have a smoke? Truly, I think banning smoke indoors is probably a good thing. Second hand smoke is killer, we all know that. However, telling people that he can't light up outside seems a bit extreme.. in my humble yet limited opinion.


if smoker's were able to take politeness into consideration in their habits in the first place, i bet there'd have been no movement for such a ban - really, it's all those guys who insist on blowing smoke in people's faces once they were asked if they wouldn't mind not not lighting up around people's kids that probably lit a fire under someone to put a ban into effect in the first place. i mean, i am ALL about personal rights, but hey, if you can't police yourself, sometimes you find that there are people who are going to find a way to do it for you.


That's a scary slippery slope. With the wrong people in power, they may take to policing things that shouldn't be policed.





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latinfoxy
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I smoke and my country has just aproove a law to ban smoking inside work buildings, restaurants, malls and all indoor public places, those it bothers me YESdo i understand why its a good law YES. I have always concider myself a very polite smoker so i always try not to bother ppl with my habbit, but banning it on outdoors i think its taking it too far.

The thread here is not about if its ok to have a law to prhibited inside smoking its about the OUTDOORS smoking! If we are gonna say its because our health that we should banned outdoors smoking then i guess we should prohibited not eco friendly cars too they damaged your lungs also and why not banned cars all together they could kill you or bannanas if you step on one of them you could fall and break your neck.

My point is on a restaurant yes, second hand smokers could get sick and i have no right to make you sick because of my habbits, but on the outside the chances that you get second hand smockers disease are almost none after all is not like im gonna chase you down the street blowing smoke at your face!
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lafayettemister wrote:
sprite wrote:
if smoker's were able to take politeness into consideration in their habits in the first place, i bet there'd have been no movement for such a ban - really, it's all those guys who insist on blowing smoke in people's faces once they were asked if they wouldn't mind not not lighting up around people's kids that probably lit a fire under someone to put a ban into effect in the first place. i mean, i am ALL about personal rights, but hey, if you can't police yourself, sometimes you find that there are people who are going to find a way to do it for you.


That's a scary slippery slope. With the wrong people in power, they may take to policing things that shouldn't be policed.


With the wrong people in power, anything could happen. The key is to be informed, and proactive, and not let those wrong people get power. You call this a slippery slope, but what is the alternative? You either have anarchy, where everyone polices themselves, and does what is right by them, or you allow for some control, to ensure the greater public good.
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latinfoxy wrote:
I smoke and my country has just aproove a law to ban smoking inside work buildings, restaurants, malls and all indoor public places,


What's the matter Mandy, they won't let you smoke at work anymore???

I think it was because your co-workers were getting too high to work off your second-hand smoke...Regaeman Man


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latinfoxy wrote:
I smoke and my country has just aproove a law to ban smoking inside work buildings, restaurants, malls and all indoor public places, those it bothers me YESdo i understand why its a good law YES. I have always concider myself a very polite smoker so i always try not to bother ppl with my habbit, but banning it on outdoors i think its taking it too far.

The thread here is not about if its ok to have a law to prhibited inside smoking its about the OUTDOORS smoking! If we are gonna say its because our health that we should banned outdoors smoking then i guess we should prohibited not eco friendly cars too they damaged your lungs also and why not banned cars all together they could kill you or bannanas if you step on one of them you could fall and break your neck.

My point is on a restaurant yes, second hand smokers could get sick and i have no right to make you sick because of my habbits, but on the outside the chances that you get second hand smockers disease are almost none after all is not like im gonna chase you down the street blowing smoke at your face!


What she said!!!!





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DirtyMartini wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:
I smoke and my country has just aproove a law to ban smoking inside work buildings, restaurants, malls and all indoor public places,


What's the matter Mandy, they won't let you smoke at work anymore???

I think it was because your co-workers were getting too high to work off your second-hand smoke...Regaeman Man


I own my business so i only hire ppl that smoke and if they dont like it they can all suck it!!! (evil face)

Lol i think i might just have put my head on the chopping block!!
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latinfoxy wrote:
DirtyMartini wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:
I smoke and my country has just aproove a law to ban smoking inside work buildings, restaurants, malls and all indoor public places,


What's the matter Mandy, they won't let you smoke at work anymore???

I think it was because your co-workers were getting too high to work off your second-hand smoke...Regaeman Man


I own my business so i only hire ppl that smoke and if they dont like it they can all suck it!!! (evil face)

Lol i think i might just have put my head on the chopping block!!


actually... here's the thing... what do you do when someone applies for a job there and you turn them down based on them being a non-smoker? or hiring them, and than having them complain about the non smoke free atmosphere? are you willing to open yourself up to a discrimination suit? just curious - and, for the record, i don't have an issue with you doing this! i mean, really, if you make it known that it won't be a smoke free environment, i think that's your right, but that said, i think you're opening yourself up for trouble down the line, the first time someone figures out they didn't get the job because they don't smoke - food for thought.



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sprite wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:
DirtyMartini wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:
I smoke and my country has just aproove a law to ban smoking inside work buildings, restaurants, malls and all indoor public places,


What's the matter Mandy, they won't let you smoke at work anymore???

I think it was because your co-workers were getting too high to work off your second-hand smoke...Regaeman Man


I own my business so i only hire ppl that smoke and if they dont like it they can all suck it!!! (evil face)

Lol i think i might just have put my head on the chopping block!!


actually... here's the thing... what do you do when someone applies for a job there and you turn them down based on them being a non-smoker? or hiring them, and than having them complain about the non smoke free atmosphere? are you willing to open yourself up to a discrimination suit? just curious - and, for the record, i don't have an issue with you doing this! i mean, really, if you make it known that it won't be a smoke free environment, i think that's your right, but that said, i think you're opening yourself up for trouble down the line, the first time someone figures out they didn't get the job because they don't smoke - food for thought.



I guess i should have put a JK at the end of my comment!

i dont smoke at my office but because of a personal desition, if i dont smoke here that means i have to stop working and go outside to do so and that helps me smoke less. But my business partner those smoke in his office and no one seems to have a problem with that, if someone complains i wouldnt get him/her fired i would try to figure out a way to deal with it!
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lafayettemister wrote:
sprite wrote:
if smoker's were able to take politeness into consideration in their habits in the first place, i bet there'd have been no movement for such a ban - really, it's all those guys who insist on blowing smoke in people's faces once they were asked if they wouldn't mind not not lighting up around people's kids that probably lit a fire under someone to put a ban into effect in the first place. i mean, i am ALL about personal rights, but hey, if you can't police yourself, sometimes you find that there are people who are going to find a way to do it for you.


That's a scary slippery slope. With the wrong people in power, they may take to policing things that shouldn't be policed.


With the wrong people in power, anything could happen. The key is to be informed, and proactive, and not let those wrong people get power. You call this a slippery slope, but what is the alternative? You either have anarchy, where everyone polices themselves, and does what is right by them, or you allow for some control, to ensure the greater public good.


some things need to be 'policed' - driving drunk, for example, seeing as how even with stiff penalties under the law, people still do it. obeying the speed limit. stopping at red lights. why do we have laws like that? to protect people, to save lives - they're aren't there to take away rights, or bum someone's high. Second hand smoke isn't just annoying. It's harmful. just like setting off bomb on the corner of 3rd and market is harmful - it might take a while to get you, but the results can be just as deadly, and hey, i am all about trying to cut down fuel emissions from cars, clean up the environment, etc - i even do my part (points to my bicycle and my full to the top recycling bin). and really, have those of you who smoke taken a good look at the long term health effects? yeah, i am as guilty as anyone at putting myself at risk with some of my habits, but i try to keep those risks at a minimum - smoking WILL cut your life short, it WILL lead to health issues, it WILL harm your friends and family. so why do it? and if you do, why subject those of us who don't to YOUR bad habits?

i hope no one takes this as a personal attack, it's not meant to be, but really, having to breath in someone else's nicotine smoke can feel kind of personal at times too.

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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:52:39 AM

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Cigarettes = bad for your health. cigarettes + banned = healthier people, and I don't have to walk behind some on the sidewalk, breathing smoke my way.
I say make it full on illegal, and in regards to the second post, about smokers not being treated like animals, any creature that willingly inhales poison, does not deserve free will lol
Sorry but smoking is just disgusting. It has no benefits
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latinfoxy wrote:

my business partner those smoke in his office and no one seems to have a problem with that, if someone complains i wouldnt get him/her fired i would try to figure out a way to deal with it!


how many of us have put up with bad behavior from bosses simply because we don't wish to make waves in our place of employment? what if the only way to deal with it would be to ban your business partner from smoking? would that be an option? btw, thank you for choosing to take your smoke break outside, that's really all most people ask for - a little consideration for those who don't smoke...

btw, don't get me started on people who choose to toss their butts (often still lit) out the window of their car... what's THAT all about?

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Garza wrote:
Cigarettes = bad for your health. cigarettes + banned = healthier people, and I don't have to walk behind some on the sidewalk, breathing smoke my way.
I say make it full on illegal, and in regards to the second post, about smokers not being treated like animals, any creature that willingly inhales poison, does not deserve free will lol
Sorry but smoking is just disgusting. It has no benefits


lol - i would never take it that far, but secretly, i kind of agree with you!

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latinfoxy wrote:
and no one seems to have a problem with that, if someone complains i wouldnt get him/her fired i would try to figure out a way to deal with it!


That's seems easy...if anyone complains about the smoking in the office, just move their desk outside...

Problem solved...


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