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lafayettemister
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:02:14 PM

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sprite wrote:
Garza wrote:
Cigarettes = bad for your health. cigarettes + banned = healthier people, and I don't have to walk behind some on the sidewalk, breathing smoke my way.
I say make it full on illegal, and in regards to the second post, about smokers not being treated like animals, any creature that willingly inhales poison, does not deserve free will lol
Sorry but smoking is just disgusting. It has no benefits


lol - i would never take it that far, but secretly, i kind of agree with you!



Would you say that cigarettes should be made totally illegal?





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latinfoxy
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:03:23 PM

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sprite wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:

my business partner those smoke in his office and no one seems to have a problem with that, if someone complains i wouldnt get him/her fired i would try to figure out a way to deal with it!


how many of us have put up with bad behavior from bosses simply because we don't wish to make waves in our place of employment? what if the only way to deal with it would be to ban your business partner from smoking? would that be an option? btw, thank you for choosing to take your smoke break outside, that's really all most people ask for - a little consideration for those who don't smoke...

btw, don't get me started on people who choose to toss their butts (often still lit) out the window of their car... what's THAT all about?


Hey is not like i have a big company, its a small friendly litlle employees company and we dont have integrated air conditioner so he smokes with his windows open and every office has it separate air conditioner so they really dont get second hand smoke unless they go into his office. But yes i guess if someone complains i would talk to him about it.

like i said in other post im a very friendly smoker and understand if ppl dont like it and really it was just a joke, i guess i have to learn not to make jokes on the think tank :p
latinfoxy
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:07:40 PM

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DirtyMartini wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:
and no one seems to have a problem with that, if someone complains i wouldnt get him/her fired i would try to figure out a way to deal with it!


That's seems easy...if anyone complains about the smoking in the office, just move their desk outside...

Problem solved...


Exactly that would teach them!!! im gonna make them work on the street to see if they like the smoke and the noise and not to mention the dangerous of the outside in this crazy city i live in, to see if they like that better! a1089

oh shoot!! i said i wasnt going to joke anymore on the think tank... i guess i still need to learn (spanking my hand "bad Mandy, bad")
sprite
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:10:35 PM

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latinfoxy wrote:


like i said in other post im a very friendly smoker and understand if ppl dont like it and really it was just a joke, i guess i have to learn not to make jokes on the think tank :p


*hugs* jokes don't always translate well here when people take passionate stands up on their soap boxes, yeah, the little j/k sign when it's not obvious, is the way to go. :) please don't let our little exchange make you feel like you don't have every right to share your opinion here or to shoot mine, or anyone else's, down either! despite the raised voices, i think it's usually a pretty friendly forum - i mean, i consider LM a friend, even if he's WRONG on this particular subject ;)

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DirtyMartini
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:13:13 PM

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sprite wrote:

Second hand smoke isn't just annoying. It's harmful. just like setting off bomb on the corner of 3rd and market is harmful - it might take a while to get you, but the results can be just as deadly,


Hey Sprite...nobody complains about the smoke from your barbeque grille when you roast people outside...

Just saying...


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DirtyMartini
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:13:14 PM

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sprite wrote:

Second hand smoke isn't just annoying. It's harmful. just like setting off bomb on the corner of 3rd and market is harmful - it might take a while to get you, but the results can be just as deadly,


Hey Sprite...nobody complains about the smoke from your barbeque grille when you roast people outside...

Just saying...


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DirtyMartini
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:13:26 PM

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Damn...triple post...how do these things happen???


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sprite
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:13:43 PM

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lafayettemister wrote:
sprite wrote:
Garza wrote:
Cigarettes = bad for your health. cigarettes + banned = healthier people, and I don't have to walk behind some on the sidewalk, breathing smoke my way.
I say make it full on illegal, and in regards to the second post, about smokers not being treated like animals, any creature that willingly inhales poison, does not deserve free will lol
Sorry but smoking is just disgusting. It has no benefits


lol - i would never take it that far, but secretly, i kind of agree with you!



Would you say that cigarettes should be made totally illegal?


nope. i would never say that. just cause i don't like them, doesn't mean they should be illegal. just like Marijauna, you should have the right to smoke it in the privacy of your own home, your own backyard, the home of someone who is okay with you smoking there, inside your own car, or other private properties. And, just like pot, if you choose to smoke it in public, you should be able to live with the consequences of being fined. simple as that.

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sprite
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:14:52 PM

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DirtyMartini wrote:
sprite wrote:

Second hand smoke isn't just annoying. It's harmful. just like setting off bomb on the corner of 3rd and market is harmful - it might take a while to get you, but the results can be just as deadly,


Hey Sprite...nobody complains about the smoke from your barbeque grille when you roast people outside...

Just saying...icon_smile


hey, it only happened ONCE - sheesh, a girl goes cannibalistic ONCE and you never let her forget it! :)

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lafayettemister
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:15:05 PM

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sprite wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:


like i said in other post im a very friendly smoker and understand if ppl dont like it and really it was just a joke, i guess i have to learn not to make jokes on the think tank :p


*hugs* jokes don't always translate well here when people take passionate stands up on their soap boxes, yeah, the little j/k sign when it's not obvious, is the way to go. :) please don't let our little exchange make you feel like you don't have every right to share your opinion here or to shoot mine, or anyone else's, down either! despite the raised voices, i think it's usually a pretty friendly forum - i mean, i consider LM a friend, even if he's WRONG on this particular subject ;)


Haha.. yes you and I are friends. But how on Earth can I be wrong? I'm a man, therefore I MUST be right! All knowing correctness comes with the penis!





When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
latinfoxy
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:15:37 PM

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sprite wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:


like i said in other post im a very friendly smoker and understand if ppl dont like it and really it was just a joke, i guess i have to learn not to make jokes on the think tank :p


*hugs* jokes don't always translate well here when people take passionate stands up on their soap boxes, yeah, the little j/k sign when it's not obvious, is the way to go. :) please don't let our little exchange make you feel like you don't have every right to share your opinion here or to shoot mine, or anyone else's, down either! despite the raised voices, i think it's usually a pretty friendly forum - i mean, i consider LM a friend, even if he's WRONG on this particular subject ;)


Thanks i wont!! and i was really serious about not agreeing on banning outdoors smoking, for me it just doesnt make sense you are not on a close enviorement so the risk are just not there.
sprite
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:16:26 PM

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latinfoxy wrote:
DirtyMartini wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:
and no one seems to have a problem with that, if someone complains i wouldnt get him/her fired i would try to figure out a way to deal with it!


That's seems easy...if anyone complains about the smoking in the office, just move their desk outside...

Problem solved...


Exactly that would teach them!!! im gonna make them work on the street to see if they like the smoke and the noise and not to mention the dangerous of the outside in this crazy city i live in, to see if they like that better! a1089

oh shoot!! i said i wasnt going to joke anymore on the think tank... i guess i still need to learn (spanking my hand "bad Mandy, bad")


*giggles* are you sure it's your hand that needs spanking? i mean, come on girl, we all KNOW what you really want spanked ;) J/K <---------------- *giggles* sorta... ;)

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sprite
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:17:33 PM

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lafayettemister wrote:
sprite wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:


like i said in other post im a very friendly smoker and understand if ppl dont like it and really it was just a joke, i guess i have to learn not to make jokes on the think tank :p


*hugs* jokes don't always translate well here when people take passionate stands up on their soap boxes, yeah, the little j/k sign when it's not obvious, is the way to go. :) please don't let our little exchange make you feel like you don't have every right to share your opinion here or to shoot mine, or anyone else's, down either! despite the raised voices, i think it's usually a pretty friendly forum - i mean, i consider LM a friend, even if he's WRONG on this particular subject ;)


Haha.. yes you and I are friends. But how on Earth can I be wrong? I'm a man, therefore I MUST be right! All knowing correctness comes with the penis!


i could take care of that for you, if you'd like... *brandishes knife*

http://www.lushstories.com/stories/hardcore/west-coast-games-part-one-the-beach.aspx
sprite
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:21:49 PM

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latinfoxy wrote:
sprite wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:


like i said in other post im a very friendly smoker and understand if ppl dont like it and really it was just a joke, i guess i have to learn not to make jokes on the think tank :p


*hugs* jokes don't always translate well here when people take passionate stands up on their soap boxes, yeah, the little j/k sign when it's not obvious, is the way to go. :) please don't let our little exchange make you feel like you don't have every right to share your opinion here or to shoot mine, or anyone else's, down either! despite the raised voices, i think it's usually a pretty friendly forum - i mean, i consider LM a friend, even if he's WRONG on this particular subject ;)


Thanks i wont!! and i was really serious about not agreeing on banning outdoors smoking, for me it just doesnt make sense you are not on a close enviorement so the risk are just not there.


honestly, i DO get that side of things. as for myself, my REAL issue is smoking in indoor venues. That said, i've been subjected to impolite smokers ( really, can't we just ban impolite-ness so that all the polite smokers don't have to suffer too?) enough that i wouldn't be happy to see an outdoor ban in PUBLIC places. those rock concerts my wife drags me to that are outdoors and the people upwind from us decide they need to chain smoke, for example, or sitting outside at nice bistro eating lunch while some guy stands on the other side of the white washed fence and lights one up.

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SatinBatty
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:28:14 PM

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i am all for any and all forms of smoking bans
Guest
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:29:59 PM

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take the tax money away and see how long the bans stay.It comes down to good old COMMON SENSE,there's a time and place for everything and also Respect others rights as You want yours respected. Seems to work a lot of the time
Guest
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:39:48 PM

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i fully think they should be illegal, just like heroine. nicotine is a bad drug. i fully vote for ripping out all tobacco crops and plant marijuana crops. we all might get a little fatter but we all be oh so happy :)
latinfoxy
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:55:46 PM

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sprite wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:
DirtyMartini wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:
and no one seems to have a problem with that, if someone complains i wouldnt get him/her fired i would try to figure out a way to deal with it!


That's seems easy...if anyone complains about the smoking in the office, just move their desk outside...

Problem solved...


Exactly that would teach them!!! im gonna make them work on the street to see if they like the smoke and the noise and not to mention the dangerous of the outside in this crazy city i live in, to see if they like that better! a1089

oh shoot!! i said i wasnt going to joke anymore on the think tank... i guess i still need to learn (spanking my hand "bad Mandy, bad")


*giggles* are you sure it's your hand that needs spanking? i mean, come on girl, we all KNOW what you really want spanked ;) J/K <---------------- *giggles* sorta... ;)


SHHHHH!!! do we really need to comment on my secrets here in public. Jeez i thought you were being friendly before!!

I think we need to talk to your boss and put you to work on the streets to teach you a lesson... oh wait would that change your profession? J/K lol see i am learning!!
lafayettemister
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:49:05 PM

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sprite wrote:
lafayettemister wrote:
sprite wrote:
latinfoxy wrote:


like i said in other post im a very friendly smoker and understand if ppl dont like it and really it was just a joke, i guess i have to learn not to make jokes on the think tank :p


*hugs* jokes don't always translate well here when people take passionate stands up on their soap boxes, yeah, the little j/k sign when it's not obvious, is the way to go. :) please don't let our little exchange make you feel like you don't have every right to share your opinion here or to shoot mine, or anyone else's, down either! despite the raised voices, i think it's usually a pretty friendly forum - i mean, i consider LM a friend, even if he's WRONG on this particular subject ;)


Haha.. yes you and I are friends. But how on Earth can I be wrong? I'm a man, therefore I MUST be right! All knowing correctness comes with the penis!


i could take care of that for you, if you'd like... *brandishes knife*


Haha, could you at least help me keep up appearances? Put away that Swiss Army keychain knife and get that great big one out of the kitchen drawer. I have an image to uphold!





When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
WellMadeMale
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 2:19:47 PM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:

The concept of "why can't you just find someplace else to work" now translates to "why can't you just find someplace else to smoke"...

The latter idea certainly sounds more reasonable.



The fumes from the diesel and gasoline powered motor vehicles gag me up a helluva lot more than cigarette, marijuana or cigar smoke do.

And they are worse for us all.

Just another encroachment by the government. Hell, if you want to ban smoking, just start in the tobacco states and kill the plant at the root level and then make it a crime to grow, dry, distribute it.

Ooops, like the oil and transportation industries, the tobacco industry spreads that lobbyist money around fairly lavishly.

If ya can't beat 'em... pay someone to do it for you.
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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:05:28 PM

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sprite wrote:
DirtyMartini wrote:
sprite wrote:

Second hand smoke isn't just annoying. It's harmful. just like setting off bomb on the corner of 3rd and market is harmful - it might take a while to get you, but the results can be just as deadly,


Hey Sprite...nobody complains about the smoke from your barbeque grille when you roast people outside...

Just saying...icon_smile


hey, it only happened ONCE - sheesh, a girl goes cannibalistic ONCE and you never let her forget it! :)



Hey... Now I'm really upset. you never, ever even ONCE tried to eat me... crybaby

MrNudiePants
Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:16:20 PM

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(Slipping into Devil's Advocate mode)

I've been in places - mostly casinos - where they have these Kryptonite-powered air filtration devices that are so effective that I've had smokers on either side of me and could barely smell the smoke. Somehow the air conditioning systems suck all the smoke up and away from the table patrons.

Instead of mandating where and when smokers can smoke, why don't we mandate the way public businesses handle their air filtration? We mandate all kind of other things about public venues. We tell them how many exits they have to have, how many fire extinguishers, what capacity their fire sprinklers must be, what slope the handicapped ramp has to be, and how many handicapped parking places they have to have. We have laws governing heat exhaust from kitchens, and waste water runoff from roof gutters and downspouts. We have laws governing every single facet of the building environment. Why not let the smokers smoke, and just mandate that the building must have a way to get rid of it?

Better yet - make that an optional choice, and let the public decide whether they would rather patronize a smoke-filled room, or a room with clean air in it? Seems to me if second-hand was such a horrible thing, the paying public would make the clean-air facilities more popular, and therefore more profitable. Let the less-profitable venues learn from their mistakes.

(Slipping back out of Devil's Advocate mode.)

Personally, I'd much rather eat at a smoke-free restaurant. I don't care who smokes and who doesn't, but as a reformed smoker (with the lung scarring to prove it) being around smokers now makes me seriously gag. I've left popular joints where the smoke just got too thick for me to be able to enjoy the place. If a restaurant made a point of telling me how great their air filtration system was, I'd make it a point to visit it more, and their competitors less.

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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:49:19 PM

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The bars have lost billions here in Ohio.
It's fuk-in cold here in the winter time.
Oh the bars built "caged in smoking area's" so you can actually: smoke, an drink at the same time,
But 4 years later, none of them can afford to heat themd'oh!
Rembacher
Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:56:25 AM

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MrNudiePants wrote:
(Slipping into Devil's Advocate mode)

I've been in places - mostly casinos - where they have these Kryptonite-powered air filtration devices that are so effective that I've had smokers on either side of me and could barely smell the smoke. Somehow the air conditioning systems suck all the smoke up and away from the table patrons.

Instead of mandating where and when smokers can smoke, why don't we mandate the way public businesses handle their air filtration? We mandate all kind of other things about public venues. We tell them how many exits they have to have, how many fire extinguishers, what capacity their fire sprinklers must be, what slope the handicapped ramp has to be, and how many handicapped parking places they have to have. We have laws governing heat exhaust from kitchens, and waste water runoff from roof gutters and downspouts. We have laws governing every single facet of the building environment. Why not let the smokers smoke, and just mandate that the building must have a way to get rid of it?

Better yet - make that an optional choice, and let the public decide whether they would rather patronize a smoke-filled room, or a room with clean air in it? Seems to me if second-hand was such a horrible thing, the paying public would make the clean-air facilities more popular, and therefore more profitable. Let the less-profitable venues learn from their mistakes.

(Slipping back out of Devil's Advocate mode.)

Personally, I'd much rather eat at a smoke-free restaurant. I don't care who smokes and who doesn't, but as a reformed smoker (with the lung scarring to prove it) being around smokers now makes me seriously gag. I've left popular joints where the smoke just got too thick for me to be able to enjoy the place. If a restaurant made a point of telling me how great their air filtration system was, I'd make it a point to visit it more, and their competitors less.


The problem with that idea is that now you are forcing bar owners, and other entrepreneurs to spend more money, money they probably don't have. Yes, Casinos can afford that type of expense. They are the only business where people hand them money, receive nothing in return, and find it so enjoyable they come back again. It's a hell of a business model. But for the rest of the world, why should we be forced to spend more, to accommodate people who can partake of their habit elsewhere?

As for the original article, I am ok with a ban in public, though I wouldn't champion it either. I know that cars, and factories cause more pollution to our air, but I've never really understood the benefit of tobacco to the smoker, so I see it as an unnecessary activity, and can see how municipalities would hate having to continually clean up the cigarette butts that seem to litter the sidewalks. Not sure how the rules are in the US, but in Canada you can't go walking around drinking, so this type of law would be no different then that. Do it at a residence, or licensed establishment. Though for tobacco, I doubt there would ever be the licensed establishment option.
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Jebru wrote:

The problem with that idea is that now you are forcing bar owners, and other entrepreneurs to spend more money, money they probably don't have. Yes, Casinos can afford that type of expense. They are the only business where people hand them money, receive nothing in return, and find it so enjoyable they come back again. It's a hell of a business model. But for the rest of the world, why should we be forced to spend more, to accommodate people who can partake of their habit elsewhere?


But you're already costing them income because of all the people that choose to stay home where they can smoke in peace. As Scooter reported - bars are losing millions in revenue, especially during the winter months, because of the anti-smoking laws. What's better? Force them to spend money on air-handling equipment or force them to lose money due to lost customers? Remember also that building repairs or improvements can be depreciated on their income taxes, helping out their bottom line.

How about we compromise - how about if a bar or restaurant chooses to install smoke handling devices, then it's patrons can smoke inside? Let the customer decide which business he wants to support, and let the business owner find out for himself which business model is more profitable...

Rembacher
Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:08:42 PM

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MrNudiePants wrote:
Jebru wrote:

The problem with that idea is that now you are forcing bar owners, and other entrepreneurs to spend more money, money they probably don't have. Yes, Casinos can afford that type of expense. They are the only business where people hand them money, receive nothing in return, and find it so enjoyable they come back again. It's a hell of a business model. But for the rest of the world, why should we be forced to spend more, to accommodate people who can partake of their habit elsewhere?


But you're already costing them income because of all the people that choose to stay home where they can smoke in peace. As Scooter reported - bars are losing millions in revenue, especially during the winter months, because of the anti-smoking laws. What's better? Force them to spend money on air-handling equipment or force them to lose money due to lost customers? Remember also that building repairs or improvements can be depreciated on their income taxes, helping out their bottom line.

How about we compromise - how about if a bar or restaurant chooses to install smoke handling devices, then it's patrons can smoke inside? Let the customer decide which business he wants to support, and let the business owner find out for himself which business model is more profitable...


Whether or not the expenses can be depreciated on their bottom line, or even allowed due to the terms of their leases; most bars would not have the operating funds to make the initial payment on that kind of renovation. As for the impact of the smoking ban, I haven't seen that large of an impact here. Initially, yes, people were willing to travel great distances to go to bars in municipalities where they could smoke, but when the ban became province wide, people just made peace with going outside to smoke, or even took that as the final incentive they needed to quit smoking. At least up here, there seems to be such a small percentage of people who smoke, that it's really not an issue anymore.

It's been at least 5 years since I've heard anyone come even close to suggesting repealing the ban. The overwhelming sentiment is appreciation for the lack of smoke in the air when they go out now.
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Same here, actually. I don't notice very many empty restaurants or bars.
MrNudiePants
Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:37:49 PM

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Jebru wrote:
MrNudiePants wrote:
Jebru wrote:

The problem with that idea is that now you are forcing bar owners, and other entrepreneurs to spend more money, money they probably don't have. Yes, Casinos can afford that type of expense. They are the only business where people hand them money, receive nothing in return, and find it so enjoyable they come back again. It's a hell of a business model. But for the rest of the world, why should we be forced to spend more, to accommodate people who can partake of their habit elsewhere?


But you're already costing them income because of all the people that choose to stay home where they can smoke in peace. As Scooter reported - bars are losing millions in revenue, especially during the winter months, because of the anti-smoking laws. What's better? Force them to spend money on air-handling equipment or force them to lose money due to lost customers? Remember also that building repairs or improvements can be depreciated on their income taxes, helping out their bottom line.

How about we compromise - how about if a bar or restaurant chooses to install smoke handling devices, then it's patrons can smoke inside? Let the customer decide which business he wants to support, and let the business owner find out for himself which business model is more profitable...


Whether or not the expenses can be depreciated on their bottom line, or even allowed due to the terms of their leases; most bars would not have the operating funds to make the initial payment on that kind of renovation. As for the impact of the smoking ban, I haven't seen that large of an impact here. Initially, yes, people were willing to travel great distances to go to bars in municipalities where they could smoke, but when the ban became province wide, people just made peace with going outside to smoke, or even took that as the final incentive they needed to quit smoking. At least up here, there seems to be such a small percentage of people who smoke, that it's really not an issue anymore.

It's been at least 5 years since I've heard anyone come even close to suggesting repealing the ban. The overwhelming sentiment is appreciation for the lack of smoke in the air when they go out now.



So no compromising then? No freedom of choice for bar owners OR patrons? Just a "do as I say or else" kind of mentality? And you're okay with that?

Rembacher
Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:44:39 PM

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Yep. I'm perfectly ok with it. The greater good outweighs the alternatives. The bar owners have a choice. If they think that it's going to be a financial disaster for them, sell, before someone else figures out the same thing, if it happens to be true. The patrons have the option to smoke outside, or even to stay home if they don't like the idea of being in a place where they are not allowed to smoke. No one is telling them they can't smoke. Only telling them they cannot subject others to the second hand fumes.
MrNudiePants
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Jebru wrote:
Yep. I'm perfectly ok with it. The greater good outweighs the alternatives. The bar owners have a choice. If they think that it's going to be a financial disaster for them, sell, before someone else figures out the same thing, if it happens to be true. The patrons have the option to smoke outside, or even to stay home if they don't like the idea of being in a place where they are not allowed to smoke. No one is telling them they can't smoke. Only telling them they cannot subject others to the second hand fumes.


My solution frees bar patrons from second-hand smoke, AND allows them to stay inside where it's warm.

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