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LoboSolo
Posted: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:55:22 PM

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CharlotteRusse1 wrote:
America is still a country founded by Puritans. There was a good story in Salon today about a recent Supreme Court decision which would allow almost any amount of violence in video games, but still restrict any nudity severely. Judge Stevens in his dissent said something like: A game is o.k. for kids under 17 if you hit the hooker and then chop her head off, but if she's topless all of a sudden it's rated?

Exceptional American sex hangup.


Some of my best lovers have been "good Christian" women ... One was even married to a church deacon! Shhh

Ferþu hal!
stephanie
Posted: Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:55:08 PM

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naughtyannie wrote:
Well, speaking as pretty much a beginner at this, I'm not ashamed of what I write. In fact, I'm proud of it. I try my best to write my stories as well as I can, and I can't do more than that.

And get this - some of the stories I've read here are far better written (in terms of vocabulary, pacing of story, characterisation etc) than some popular fiction I've read - you listening, Dan Brown???


TAH-DAHHHHHHH!!!!!!

I love what I write......

xx SF

Imbecile! - de som empire
Si nos efforts te delevraient,
Tes baisers ressuseraient
Le cadavere de ton Wampyr! (Baudelaire.)
(I'll ATTEMPT a free translation...)
"Idiot! Even if our efforts were
To deliver you from Her empire,
Your kisses would bring back to life
The corpse of your beloved Vampire."
EVERYONE WHO SPEAKS FRENCH: "THat isn't quite correct..."
stephanie
Posted: Monday, October 17, 2011 7:48:59 PM

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And Smut Writers are better in bed........

(WELL, WE ARE!!!!!!!)

xxSF

Imbecile! - de som empire
Si nos efforts te delevraient,
Tes baisers ressuseraient
Le cadavere de ton Wampyr! (Baudelaire.)
(I'll ATTEMPT a free translation...)
"Idiot! Even if our efforts were
To deliver you from Her empire,
Your kisses would bring back to life
The corpse of your beloved Vampire."
EVERYONE WHO SPEAKS FRENCH: "THat isn't quite correct..."
DLizze
Posted: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:16:09 PM

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Morgan Hawke said. "Formal Education teaches you to stuff as many words into a paragraph as possible. Preferably using the biggest words available, (with extra points for obscurity.)"

I agree. One of the toughest parts of my job as a Professional Civil Engineer was editing junk written by the junior engineers, fresh out of college.

I saw a bumper sticker once, that has long been my favorite: ESCHEW OBFUSCATION

As to the concept that writers of erotica have low self-respect, I say balderdash. Every writer who submits copy for publication, be it here, or elsewhere, has very high self-respect; otherwise he would think his work unworthy of publication. What kind of twisted logic could possibly lead one to conclude otherwise?

(and YEAH - what Steph said: we ARE better in bed! )

"There's only three tempos: slow, medium and fast. When you get between in the cracks, ain't nuthin' happenin'." Ben Webster
Southern_Sass
Posted: Saturday, October 29, 2011 1:57:17 PM

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That is just a bunch of crap. It is the narrow mindedness that has others saying things about erotica. Yet, they are the ones in the bookstores, huddled in a corner, peering at a book and constantly looking around to see if they are being watched. In one breath, they are damning us to hell, while secretly thinking 'OOOOOOOOOOOOH that was a GREAT read.'

Erotic writers have done what they have not and that is take a step outside of the box and go for it. That is what irritates them, that is their lack of self respect.

Danand
Posted: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 5:40:34 AM

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GallagherWitt wrote:
GAWD that stuff drives me nuts. >.< Sex is an enormous part of the human condition, and acting like we shouldn't write about it is absurd. Especially when most of the people who spout all that crap have no problem at all with violence.

Case in point: I was 16 when Titanic came out, and a lot of parents were horrified about us going to see it because of the TEH BEWBAGE and the OMG BACKSEAT SCENE. No one batted an eye about Rose's fiance' smacking her across the face, a guy bouncing off the ship's prop, or, you know, dozens of people freezing to death in the Atlantic.

And don't even get me started on people who think smut is "well, it's okay, I guess", but are horrified -- HORRIFIED I SAY! -- about gay erotica. Nothing entertains me more than looking them right in the eye and asking, "Oh really? And just WHAT is wrong with two men having consensual, passionate sex?" Usually makes them stammer and stutter a bit...hehehe

Anyway.

/rant over

Great post, Morgan, as always.


Jack Nicholson once said "America is a strange country to make films in. If you cut off a woman's breast you get an M rating, but kiss it and you'll get an R."

I was disturbed by that Mr and Mrs Smith crap, in the scene where they beat the living shyte out of one another as a kind of foreplay. Giving young people a healthy view of human sexuality and adult relationships?
Well....maybe not.



“No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power.”
― P.J. O'Rourke
DLizze
Posted: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 5:51:51 AM

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In my somewhat limited experience, the people who are anti-erotica are the same people who are "pro-life" (anti-abortion) but in favor of retaining (and using) capital punishment.

"There's only three tempos: slow, medium and fast. When you get between in the cracks, ain't nuthin' happenin'." Ben Webster
DirtyMartini
Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:48:32 AM

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GallagherWitt wrote:
GAWD that stuff drives me nuts. >.< Sex is an enormous part of the human condition, and acting like we shouldn't write about it is absurd. Especially when most of the people who spout all that crap have no problem at all with violence.

Case in point: I was 16 when Titanic came out, and a lot of parents were horrified about us going to see it because of the TEH BEWBAGE and the OMG BACKSEAT SCENE. No one batted an eye about Rose's fiance' smacking her across the face, a guy bouncing off the ship's prop, or, you know, dozens of people freezing to death in the Atlantic.

And don't even get me started on people who think smut is "well, it's okay, I guess", but are horrified -- HORRIFIED I SAY! -- about gay erotica. Nothing entertains me more than looking them right in the eye and asking, "Oh really? And just WHAT is wrong with two men having consensual, passionate sex?" Usually makes them stammer and stutter a bit...hehehe

Anyway.

/rant over

Great post, Morgan, as always.


Your post, and this thread reminded me of a picture one of my FB friends shared today...

A gay Vietnam vet's last words...I think this sums up your statement...





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scooter
Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:52:21 AM

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DirtyMartini wrote:
GallagherWitt wrote:
GAWD that stuff drives me nuts. >.< Sex is an enormous part of the human condition, and acting like we shouldn't write about it is absurd. Especially when most of the people who spout all that crap have no problem at all with violence.

Case in point: I was 16 when Titanic came out, and a lot of parents were horrified about us going to see it because of the TEH BEWBAGE and the OMG BACKSEAT SCENE. No one batted an eye about Rose's fiance' smacking her across the face, a guy bouncing off the ship's prop, or, you know, dozens of people freezing to death in the Atlantic.

And don't even get me started on people who think smut is "well, it's okay, I guess", but are horrified -- HORRIFIED I SAY! -- about gay erotica. Nothing entertains me more than looking them right in the eye and asking, "Oh really? And just WHAT is wrong with two men having consensual, passionate sex?" Usually makes them stammer and stutter a bit...hehehe

Anyway.

/rant over

Great post, Morgan, as always.


Your post, and this thread reminded me of a picture one of my FB friends shared today...

A gay Vietnam vet's last words...I think this sums up your statement...




I guess if I was forced to respond, I'd say; the only thing wrong with gay (mens) sex is;
It doesn't turn me on.
But hey, what ever dude,,,
DirtyMartini
Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:17:03 AM

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GallagherWitt wrote:
GAWD that stuff drives me nuts. >.< Sex is an enormous part of the human condition, and acting like we shouldn't write about it is absurd. Especially when most of the people who spout all that crap have no problem at all with violence.



Yeah, here's a recent article along the same lines...and I think you can appreciate this one G-W...needless to say, this decision caused a bit of backlash...I had to post this somewhere, and this seems like the spot...

Ban on same-sex stories in romance competition causes outcry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/feb/08/ban-same-sex-romance-competition?newsfeed=true


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DLizze
Posted: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:42:08 AM

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As my second wife said many years ago about films and the "rating system", "There is something very wrong when it is okay to cut off someone's boob with a chainsaw, but it is not all right to touch it in a kind, loving, or gentle way."

"There's only three tempos: slow, medium and fast. When you get between in the cracks, ain't nuthin' happenin'." Ben Webster
Guest
Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:17:07 AM

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I think there always have been - and always will be - people with double standards. Look back to the Victorian times when the 'head of the household' was very strict with his womenfolk and yet some of the husbands would be going with prostitutes. Nothing wrong with the latter, if it takes your fancy, but don't preach about immorality and then do the same thing yourself.

Also, and I have no wish to cause offence to anyone, I find that a lot of religious people are very hypocritical. They pray in church and follow the commandments saying 'Love they neighbour' then they are the biggest bitches on earth. Believe me I have come across quite a few of them. So, I know I am generalising, so don't jump down my throat.

My friends would be horrified if they knew that I wrote stories for this site, yet they have affairs with married men - double standards again.

Alan, that gravestone that you showed was a really poignant reminder of how daft the human race is.
DLizze
Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:35:19 PM

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NaughtyAnn wrote:

Alan, that gravestone that you showed was a really poignant reminder of how daft the human race is.


That gravestone rekindled my anger with the military mindset in general (all puns intended) and that war, in particular.

"There's only three tempos: slow, medium and fast. When you get between in the cracks, ain't nuthin' happenin'." Ben Webster
poizenivy
Posted: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:03:50 AM

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If the people that put down us erotica writers bothered to get in touch with their own sensuality and get comfortable with sex then they wouldn't try to shame us because of their own self-shame.

Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. "Yes" is the answer. ~Swami X

hoterotica
Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 7:51:59 AM

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I think it's tough to put yourself out there as a writer no matter what genre you write in.
seeker4
Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 8:09:17 AM

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hoterotica wrote:
I think it's tough to put yourself out there as a writer no matter what genre you write in.


"Genre" is actually part of the problem. SF and fantasy writers still get a certain amount of disrespect in the "mainstream" even with the raging success of the fantasy genre on the bestsellers list and the small (Game of Thrones) and big (pretty much any tentpole pic) screens. That's why writers like Margaret Atwood try to distance themselves from genre labels even when they write. Romance still gets much the same treatment, or so it seems to this person who rarely reads romances.

If we all just wrote "fiction" without trying to label it, then maybe the ghettos would go away. Then again, the human penchant for labelling things would likely find some other way to do it.

Erotica, of course, has the added issue of the explicit sex which gives it another knock against it in many persons' eyes.

I'll fully concede that a lot of this is IMHO and that I largely try not to think in terms of genre. While I like a strong imaginative component to my fiction and that has tended to push me towards s-f/fantasy/horror, I have also found it in thrillers, crime novels, detective novels and so on. And, of course, erotica.


Stories that satisfy about people seeking satisfaction

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Guest
Posted: Monday, October 14, 2013 1:14:36 PM

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Well. . .that's one of the biggest lies I've ever heard. As poizenivy said; "If the people that put down us erotica writers bothered to get in touch with their own sensuality and get comfortable with sex then they wouldn't try to shame us because of their own self-shame."
Erotica is an art form like any other.
Haineko
Posted: Friday, October 18, 2013 10:23:14 AM

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I'm an erotica author and proud of it. To say I have no self-respect is so wrong. I do it for the express reason that I enjoy it. So do others. The people I have no respect for are the people who are able to make a blanket comment like that about a group of people and not have the stones to try what they are criticizing.


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LovingHer17
Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:48:53 PM

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LMAO!!I love this forum.
LASARDaddy
Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 3:03:55 PM

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I love this!

I agree with pretty much everything said. I am a Taoist and try to live my life doing more good than harm. I try very hard to NEVER hurt anyone. I'm not talking about physical hurt, that heals rather quickly, but emotional hurt, that can take from years to never to heal. Until the day she died my mother thought she was the ugliest person on the planet and that everyone thought that. That's what she was taught as a child and I've pretty much hated the people who did it. Not her parents.

I still feel incredible sadness about that and she died 30 years ago at 75.

Be who you are and think what you think. NO ONE in the universe is in charge of how you feel about anything, except you.

Write about it, tell your stories, I guarantee you I'm getting off on them and enjoying it.

Any one with the opposite feelings, FUCK THEM! They don't deserve enough of your attention to even tell them to fuck off

I am always a gentleman.
thesexynun
Posted: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:07:42 PM

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I have read lots of books in the top ten

that have the SAME exact types of sex scenes in them..and frankly the writers HERE do it WAY better!

so to say erotic writers have no self respect or talent

is horse hockey

they just get to the good stuff FASTER

which is what 90 percent of the readers are flipping ahead to!

" smile..it is the second best thing to do with your LIPS!"
Weavindreams
Posted: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:42:37 PM

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thumbup
thesexynun wrote:
I have read lots of books in the top ten

that have the SAME exact types of sex scenes in them..and frankly the writers HERE do it WAY better!

so to say erotic writers have no self respect or talent

is horse hockey

they just get to the good stuff FASTER

which is what 90 percent of the readers are flipping ahead to!
Applause



Besides, why let narrow minded individuals who are either hypocrites, self despising or fully indoctrinated by one of the sex hating religions upset you? Fools and crazies should be ignored! They aren't even worth the time to thefinger

barefootlove
Posted: Friday, May 16, 2014 2:38:19 AM

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MorganHawke wrote:
----- Original Message -----
“How do you deal with someone saying that erotica writers have no self-respect?”
-- Fellow Erotica Author


So, some prissy-fingered prudes are have a problem with you writing smut?


Morgan Hawke
-- Smut-Writer and Damned Proud of it!


This made me happy. :) I just love the imagery of it. I can't help but giggle a little as I picture someone primly finger pecking each individual key with a look of smug authority on their face.
PlayWithMyYoyo
Posted: Monday, May 19, 2014 1:55:30 PM

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Morgan's the best, huh?
LASARDaddy
Posted: Monday, May 19, 2014 2:12:45 PM

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PlayWithMyYoyo wrote:
Morgan's the best, huh?


She is a marvel. Go on her site and spend a lot of time reading. She offers some very good advice and resources, like an erotic thesaurus, that I use constantly. A very strong and capable lady that I admire.

The writers resource forum here has a great deal of her stuff posted.

I've found that it's mostly the religious-right that object. My brother is an Oklahoma, born-again, bible-banging Baptist and tells me m going to hell all the time. He, like almost all, allow a man that has the unbelievable arrogance to say they know the mind of God so they are better than us an should tell us how to live.

I don't subscribe to that theory.

I am always a gentleman.
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