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Michael
Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:50:40 PM

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LadyX wrote:
Entertainment for some, tiresome for others. Let's take this episode away from the forum, please. If there's more to this than passive aggressive sparring, please one of you let me know via PM. Thanks!


I bow to the Marvelous LadyX and adore the ever Delightful Shylass...

I do apologize to the other readers... My vision sometimes misses the arena I am in.





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MrNudiePants
Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:51:18 PM

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FtLMale wrote:


Entertainment...

The primary purpose of Lush...


Others are interested.....



Nah, not really. Wrong place, wrong time. Playground's that way, and Kindergarten was a helluva lot of years ago.

Buz
Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:52:32 PM

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DirtyMartini wrote:


I would have to say "no" to this one...your comment about it being somewhat archaic I think is accurate...

I might consider using it in my next lesbian pirate story though...happy8


I was kidnapped by lesbian pirates and strangely enough they used the word 'whilst. In fact they used that word whilst they demonstrated on me that they were not 100% lesbian, but only after they made me watch whilst they did enjoy some lesbian pleasures. I'm still traumatized!

Sensei
Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:09:06 PM

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Whilst strikes me as being either poetic or Shakespearean.

Quote:
If not, why, in a moment look to see
The blind and bloody soldier with foul hand
Defile the locks of your shrill-shrieking daughters;
[...]
Whiles the mad mothers with their howls confused
Do break the clouds [...]!

Henry V, Act 3, Scene 3.


Ok, that's "whiles" instead of "whilst," but you know what I mean. :)


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Michael
Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:47:33 PM

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It would seem that Whilst is used within the UK... is it used in Australia or elsewhere?
I ask as I used it in the speech of a character from Australia that had been living in England for several years....




nicola
Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:29:37 PM

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Thx LadyX, for putting the thread back on track. 588-rolleyes
sprite
Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:39:16 PM

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Buz wrote:


I was kidnapped by lesbian pirates and strangely enough they used the word 'whilst. In fact they used that word whilst they demonstrated on me that they were not 100% lesbian, but only after they made me watch whilst they did enjoy some lesbian pleasures. I'm still traumatized!


sorry about that. in my defense, we let him go after several weeks!

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1ball
Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:40:21 PM

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I'm not a Brit and I defininitely notice when people use whilst or learnt or a number of other words that I think of as British. In my Trespasser series, I write from the POV of a Brit character who has lived in the US for a while and is trying to assimilate. That's a cheat so that I don't have to get the speech mannerisms perfect.

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FelineFantasy
Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:51:49 PM

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clum
Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:12:39 AM

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It seems no thread is safe in Lush. *sigh*

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AngelHeart01
Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:01:19 AM

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I don't use the word 'whilst' in writing or in conversation.
I don't hear it being used in my circle of friends, on television, or with colleagues .
However, it doesn't bother me when reading it in a story. It makes sense, and I read on.
I automatically think to myself that the author must be from the UK (unless of course the story is taking place there ... then duh).
Then I start reading it (in my head) with an accent.

Yeah, I'm strange like that.
DLizze
Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:13:37 AM

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sprite wrote:


sorry about that. in my defense, we let him go after several weeks!

Sprite, you missed your chance: you could have combined this thread with another, had you said, "We let him go several weeks hence" evil4

As to "whilst" and "amongst", while I don't often use either, who among us would not understand if we saw them in writing? (see what I did there?)

One of my writing professors once said, "The object of any writing is communication. So long as the thought is clearly conveyed and understood, any grammatic structure or word usage is acceptable. That is why English is a "living" language." He was speaking specifically about starting a sentence with a conjunction, or ending it with a preposition, but I think his statement is cogent, and bears repeating.



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1curiouscat
Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:36:11 AM

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I personally think that these peculiarities in the english language are great. I don´t think the "whilst" is archaic - to me it should be considered like a "wild card" to use whenever you want your listener or reader to be caught a little off guard. Coming from a latin based language like portuguese, spanish, french - sometimes the english language can be a bit of a drag in its simple yet deranged complexity (if that made any sense at all).

I feel that these few interchangables are to be considered like diferent spices to be added (to taste) every once in while - thusly adding some diferent flavors to your everyday dish.

Also, it just shows your listeners or readers that you know and appreciate/respect the language in all its little details... and that is sexy!



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Magical_felix
Posted: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:25:25 AM

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FtLMale wrote:


I bow to the Marvelous LadyX and adore the ever Delightful Shylass...

I do apologize to the other readers... My vision sometimes misses the arena I am in.





so I bury all..


How weak... Hopefully the next time you grow some balls they don't shrink back up the second I reply to you.



Whilst. Yeah, where I am from it is not used in conversation.



sprite
Posted: Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:55:25 AM

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Magical_felix wrote:


How weak... Hopefully the next time you grow some balls they don't shrink back up the second I reply to you.



Whilst. Yeah, where I am from it is not used in conversation.


i bet you use 'Hence' tho. And drink tea with your pinky sticking out. :)

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Posted: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:21:10 AM

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Shylass wrote:
Whilst we're on the subject of entertainment, I'm not currently entertained, sadly.


Wait a while and whistle whilst this whiny, woeful while vs. whilst debate winds down...

Meanwhilst...back in the Lush forum...


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Magical_felix
Posted: Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:17:09 PM

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sprite wrote:


i bet you use 'Hence' tho. And drink tea with your pinky sticking out. :)


I do use hence. Mostly when typing to make a point. I just hate people who are impotent to give a valid reason for bugging me, hence my reply to this new pathetic fool that has been passive aggressive for a while now but as soon as he's confronted he changes his tune. So pathetic. Chicken shit.

I also don't give a fuck if everyone here thinks I'm the bad guy. If not pussy footing around people's passive aggression or shallow posturing makes me the bad guy? So be it.

And yeah, I stick my pinky out. I love tapping my pinky ring on my glass as I chill. It's purely for effect.



Shylass
Posted: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:22:23 PM

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I just wrote a story with the word "whilst" in it.

It is a good and useful word. sunny


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Guest
Posted: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:25:50 PM

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Shylass wrote:
I just wrote a story with the word "whilst" in it.

It is a good and useful word. sunny


I concur icon_smile
The_Young_Swell
Posted: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:08:20 PM

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clum wrote:
... Do any of you non-Britons use the word 'whilst'...


I always use it whilst playing Whist.

I find it a good word for archaic voices or when being precious.

Always drink upstream from the herd and never miss a good chance to shut up..
Shylass
Posted: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:07:26 AM

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The_Young_Swell wrote:


I always use it whilst playing Whist.

I find it a good word for archaic voices or when being precious.


Sadly for some, languages remain newer and with less depth, whilst others use certain words that have a not only a rich history and yet are normal, every day words. There are whole modern countries with contemporary languages where ancient words like that are used every day without being precious. It's amazing! Nutbag


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adele
Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:19:29 AM

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Whilst reading this thread, I had to ponder a while. I tried to decide who amongst us would be among those likely to use one word versus the other. after considerable consideration of the subject, I have come to the conclusion that I don't know and don't care. Thusly, from this point forward, (and backward for that matter), I will just continue doing what I have always done. Hence, that means, I don't use it but think others should be free to use it as they so choose. laughing6

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liane
Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:33:23 AM

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Hey,I want to try..... Whilst thou be posting a new thread soon? Did I use it correctly?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:43:44 AM

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liane wrote:
Hey,I want to try..... Whilst thou be posting a new thread soon? Did I use it correctly?


No.

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adele
Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:56:52 AM

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liane wrote:
Hey,I want to try..... Whilst thou be posting a new thread soon? Did I use it correctly?


No, should have used wouldst thou. or whence will thou

There is no mark of self,
And no mark of others,
No mark of living beings,
And no mark of a life.


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AbigailThornton
Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2012 3:07:01 PM

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I have come to no real conclusion whilst reading through this discussion. While some may be shocked to learn of my lack of commitment on the matter, I would argue that the discussion itself should be seen for what it is: a celebration of that most wonderful attribute of the English language: it's flexibility.

Kennny
Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2012 8:33:26 AM

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Whilst is british for while
just as:

Arse for ass
and
Mum for mom
overmykneenow
Posted: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:40:29 AM

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clum wrote:
In the course of writing a story, it struck me that I didn't know the real difference between 'while' and 'whilst'. I have always used both and felt I knew instinctively when to use one or the other.

When I researched the topic further, I discovered that they are widely considered interchangeable and that 'whilst' is thought to be a more archaic word used only in Britain (and even then, decreasingly so). Even so, I can't help but feel that there is a subtle difference, that they each carry a certain nuance. Sometimes, when I read a sentence back, one feels decidedly more fitting than the other.

So, two questions:

Do any of you non-Britons use the word 'whilst', or is it just us?

If you do use the word 'whilst', do you use it as synonymous with 'while' or do you, like me, feel there is a (perhaps imagined) difference in their meaning (and can anyone pin it down)?

[Of course, I refer throughout to the subordinating conjunction, not the noun, 'while', lest there be pedants amongst (similar situation?) you.]


Whenever I'm in these situations I refer to the Guardian style guide - which I've used since the 1990s.

It simply says While, not whilst.

Guardian Style Guide

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