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Posted: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:59:47 PM

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Anyone want to admit to being a satanist? I am not one, just curious.
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Posted: Friday, July 19, 2013 3:37:31 PM

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I'm gonna say bad, because in this day and age, people not only know how to think for themselves, they can't help but to. I guess what I'm getting at is this, it's gotta be everyone or no one. Otherwise it's always gonna cause conflict, whether it's suicide bombers not whatever else, it's just asking for trouble. Unfortunately, humans aren't robots. You could program robots to think there is a god, or anything else. We're not robots though, so I truly believe that any religion, will never work. Unfortunately people like myself, have to have some proof. Everyone can only give so much blind faith, before they can't do it anymore. I know you are never supposed to say never, but I believe we'll never actually get any proof, from any religion god. We can look at little signs, but that still doesn't prove anything. We gotta actually see these 'gods'. A lot of people that really take their religion seriously may get offended by things, atheists like myself, say. I'm not really one to let my opinion on the subject known to a lot of other people, but a few people I've told, didn't like it so much. That's my opinion.

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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:55:15 PM

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I gave up organised religion, many years ago, and went back to 'God'.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:26:22 AM

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Religion is neither, humanity is both.

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Posted: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:48:33 PM

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Just a mental note, any influence not from a mortal plane is atheism. Whether satanist, wicken, buddhist, muslim, or christian, any other call to future higher ground can be achieved on Earth while you're here. Why wait till tomorrow?

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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:29:35 AM

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Both. It can be good for the values it teaches, - how to live together, be kind, don't judge, live and let live, etc, but then, humanism can do that. It is bad when it turns people against each other. Fundamentalism. That is bad in any and every form. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, et al. And even inside religion, Christian, - Catholic against Reformed. Muslim, - Sunni versus Shia, all killing for no good reason. (Is there ever a good reason to kill?)

I think, reluctantly, that the world would be a better place without organised religion. Keep the values, scrap the orthodoxy, and don't care what your neighbor believes.



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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:05:47 PM

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Did you know that in Greek they used to have three possibilities for numbering things: singular, plural and DUAL. If I wanted to translate the word hair into Greek I would use singular. Hairs would be plural. But: hands==dual as they are a pair. They looked at their whole world as made up of pairs. That is also true of Taoism where we have learned to see everything as Yin and Yang.
My point is that everything we do is going to have two sides. That is the root of our choices too. For example, if I come to a fork in the road, or even ten branches in the road, by chosing to take just one way, I am, at the same time not choosing the others.
Mandarin (Chinese) speaks in questions that are dualities: Nin e, bu e? = You eat, not eat? Wo e. I ate.
So in many cultures that duality is built right into their languages.
Monotheism is the exception in the history of humanity, not the rule. It is, for the most part, a fairly recent idea. Imagine that if you can!
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Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:52:52 AM

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Religions are good and they have all their reason. People make religions bad, by overloading them with their weird personal believes. Regions become bad, if religious leaders manipulate their believers to reach political targets even with violence. Religions are good for teaching our kids ethic. I am not very religious myself, but i know a lot about religions in general. I respect all religions and I respect their believers, as long they do not try force me to follow their way of live. Religion is a living book which allow us to take a deep look into our history. I do love to visit now and then holy places to keep a spiritual bond to our past. I believe that these places are really holy and deserve to be respected. I do believe that there is no right religion, all have the same glimmer of the divination gifted from the supernatural power we like to call God. coffee
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Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:21:54 AM

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Kal-El85 wrote:
Religion itself isn't bad or good; I feel it's more about how people use it.


I think I agree with this comment or comments leaning in this direction. As a fallen Catholic, I have struggled with my own faith for many years now and have been curious about other religions as well as spirituality as a whole. What I've seen and how I feel is that, for the most part, I think religion has it's place and is at it's core "good" BUT it's the people or rather the heads of these religious institutions that seem to have their own agendas, twisting and turning scriptures or whatever text is used, to feed and fuel their own (selfish) desires.

As far as Christianity and the bible, many religious leaders often will fire off selective quotes taken from the bible when defending why they say and do what they do but the bible is FILLED with contradictions! And taking it literally, word for word is in and of itself dangerous in my humble opinion.

I know that may sound like I'm jaded but I'm really not. Even though I don't associate myself with any one singular religion, I am VERY spiritual and have a great respect for it. I think that it is or can be a wonderful thing in terms of giving us markers in life and teaching us that we're not alone in this universe, there is a higher power, whatever you choose to call it and that what we say and how we act has consequences both good and bad.

My personal outlook on religion and how I live my life? Like the bee gathering honey from different flowers, the wise man accepts the essence of different scriptures and sees only the good in all religions. - Gandhi

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Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:48:41 AM

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There can be beautiful aspects of religion. You stand in Notre Dame or you see art that was inspired by religion and it can be a beautiful thing but then you see people killing one another over their clashing beliefs and then you see the other side. I don't mind people believing what they believe but I do mind when you try to make laws based on it and try to make other people bow down to your beliefs. I don't like when people use it to bludgeon others or to make themselves feel morally superior or to justify violent behavior. For some people though it is all that is keeping them sane day to day and I can appreciate that too. I am not religious for a variety of reasons but I can see both sides of the coin.
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Posted: Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:40:32 PM

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I'm not religious but i feel it can be both. I believe in science which can be both too.
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Posted: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:52:39 PM

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Religion is based on belief, and some facts, proven by science. Science is based on empirical evidence. What we know is science. So it's bad to know?

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Posted: Sunday, February 02, 2014 11:27:07 PM

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I believe that no one should shit on another person's BS (Belief System) even if it is bs (bullshit). I also believe that no one should attempt to shove their BS down another person's throat, because that is a truly bs thing to do so.
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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2014 10:56:19 AM

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One side shovels, the other goes on about their business just stopping for a moment to clear the air.

Further, it's seems that only when this issue comes about and someone, admittedly like myself, expresses his views, it's considering "cramming it down someone's throat." I'd make a simple little allusion toward something else, but in this context it would lose it's comedic value.

People who believe religion is bad, and even atheists listen to all the god speak, ad nauseam. But when clarification is made, or a point brought about, then the true cramming comes. Should one be quiet because he or she does not believe.

"Yes atheist, we know you don't believe and you can rot in hell." or:

"It sad that some are living in such darkness."


and;

"We get it, you don't believe, now go sit quietly, and don't express your views with all that science and facts talk."

It's a contentious point, some believe and some don't. But please, don't throw in the passive aggressive point or belief as a slight insult. Don't ask me not to speak when the remark is just ridiculous. I have no problem with someone who says, they believe. I once did myself. It felt good. To go in a church, express all that you are, all that you feel, and all that you are afraid of and believe that someone is listening. And that someone, will take care of things in its own way. That is the good about religion. Community. There is always someone there metaphysically, or actually next to you.

But, to ask someone who no longer believes in that "light" to remain quiet and not shine a little light as to their own insights, experiences, and belief system, is asking them to stifle it. No one wishes to shit on anyone. That is just gross. The actions of some religious leaders however are shitty. And, sharing a viewpoint is not BS, and can be done without vulgarities. Time and time again an adamant believer will interject with some vulgarities, it seems, in order to insight one to react. As I have, ad nauseam. But again, it is a contentious point.

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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2014 11:59:03 AM

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Expecting religion and science to have any relationship with one another seems misguided at best. Is your belief system dependent on it's congruence with proven scientific and physical facts? If so, then it seems to me that's its more of a hope than a faith.
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LadyX wrote:
Expecting religion and science to have any relationship with one another seems misguided at best. Is your belief system dependent on it's congruence with proven scientific and physical facts? If so, then it seems to me that's its more of a hope than a faith.


How do you know that God is not simply the most accomplished scientist in the universe?

I read somewhere that religion tries to tell you who and what. Science tries to tell you where, when, why, and how. Faith means that there are no guarantees.

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MrNudiePants wrote:


How do you know that God is not simply the most accomplished scientist in the universe?

I read somewhere that religion tries to tell you who and what. Science tries to tell you where, when, why, and how. Faith means that there are no guarantees.


That's true, there are none. It's the aspect of the discussion which seeks to verify/prove/disprove a deity's existence that doesn't sit well with me. Like in those hourlong debates between a Christian and an Atheist, bantering about the possible existence of a god: what's the point of that exercise?

SHORTER DEBATE:

Deist: You can't prove God doesn't exist, because he does.

Atheist: You can't prove a god does exist, and one doesn't by the way. Also, the details in this book you worship from seem bogus.

Deist: I have faith.

Atheist: I have science.

Deist: I still believe

Atheist: I still think that's foolish of you.

I'm not arguing that science somehow disproves the existence of a deity, and am not questioning that some find divine inspiration in the natural and scientific realms. But person of faith can't sway a person who lacks faith via debate points, and while there's irrefutable evidence that the beginning of time didn't transpire exactly the way the Book of Genesis indicates, that's not going to mean a whole lot to a person who believes a god exists.

Faith and Intellectualism aren't mutually exclusive, nor are they always oppositional to one another. It seems like needless quarreling for atheists and deists to 'debate' one another when no common ground can even be established as a jumping off point.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 10:04:28 AM

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Religion, like everything else, can be good or bad. It's all in how the user uses or misuses it. Water is obviously good for you, but if you drink too much at one time you can kill yourself. It can also be effectively used several ways as a torture device. The biggest flaw in religion is also it's biggest advantage. That there is a greater power than us as human beings. That honoring someone or something above us can bring out the very best in a person. Sadly, it can also bring out the very worst in a person too. Or in the least, make them live a life of fear and ignorance from not exploring their humanity.

Religion, or the belief in a God has brought us many many great things. By artists and musicians and sculptors and composers.... all who were inspired by their belief in the existence of some deity which makes them perform/make something far greater than if they were doing it for themselves.

Handel's "Messiah"
Dante's "Divine Comedy" (to believe in hell, you have to believe in heaven)
Homer's "The Odyssey" and "The Iliad"
The Sistine Chapel
Beethoven's "Symphony No. 9"

Just to name a few, and all or Christianity based. Add in Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist history and I'm sure they're also littered with classics that are dear to their faiths.

There are plenty instances of religion gone bad. Above are examples of religion bringing out the best of our capabilities.





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Religion is simply an excuse for mankind to fight for their own selfish needs. take a look at the Holy land now, it is a war torn country where nothing vaguely Holy could grow. take a look at the wars that have torn this world apart time and again. 9/11?? supposedly undertaken by Muslim extremists, and now it seems every terrorist out there is using this self same excuse to punish the infidels.
Religion? Good if it is used as a way to find peace.
Religion? Bad for the reasons above.
There is no simple answer, this thread will probably go on and on longer than any other
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In that respect I like quoting the following:"Religion is for those who are afraid of going to hell. Spirituality for those who have already been there." I grew up during the period of socialism in my country so for obviuous reason I was raised as an atheist. So to me religion is something too simplistic and designed to keep the masses under some kind of control making them fear of punishment all the time. I can say that I do not believe in religion and especially in the church as an intitution (just remember how many world crimes have been committed in the name of God!) but I do believe in spirituality and the fact that one is unique and transcends all kinds of interpretations.
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It's not just that this debate has been going for a couple years here, it's been going on for millennia.

I've met many who grew up without formal religion. It turns out that they do not need religion or God to be ethical, compassionate or artistic. None of these things is created by religion and religion is not necessary for them.

Were famous works of art inspired by religion? Perhaps, but also religions and royalty were the patrons of the arts. Making religious art for money produced some amazing works, but is religion or money the incentive?
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If someone's religion gives them peace...good. If someone's religion induces them to tell others how to live...bad. In other words do it don't broadcast it.
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I am a Christian. I believe in Christ not a religion. In fact he came to abolish religion. Religion is a contrivance of man to reach God. Invented by man not God. Mans control over man. Christ is God reaching to man. It is said in this YouTube link better than I can express it. I tried to post the link but it is blocked.

Some say that all religions lead to the same place. I agree. That place is nowhere.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 12:06:20 AM

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Religion is simple. If you have/or are a part of one, that's great. Wonderful even. But don't be obnoxious about it and antagonize people who don't have a faith, or one that is different from yours. One of the big things I can't stand is someone shoving their religious beliefs in my face. As an American the Constitution promises me freedom of religion, or the freedom to not have one (of course this is different in opposing countries). The same goes to Anti-religious people. They shouldn't be telling those with a faith that they are ignorant, stupid, or sheep, ect. It all just comes down to tolerance and respect. You believe in what you believe, and I will do the same.
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great for some not so for others. i believe in spirituality but i do not hold to any religion.

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Tranquil wrote:
great for some not so for others. i believe in spirituality but i do not hold to any religion.


I feel the same way! To each their own, but to my mind, religions are more about control of the masses than anything else.

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Posted: Friday, February 14, 2014 8:23:25 PM

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The vote on this one is already in - look to history.

Look at the current situations in the middle east, the philippines, the USA, Ireland etc. It's causes more problems than any other issue.

Yet irrespective of colour we r all related albeit distantly. At some point in the past it started with just a male and a female. So religion is IMO irrelevant.
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Wardog wrote:


I feel the same way! To each their own, but to my mind, religions are more about control of the masses than anything else.


Spot on brother.
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