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stephanie
Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2012 6:45:44 PM

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As Obama continues to wade through eight years of Bush engendered shit, incidentally blocked at every attempted reform by a vindictive Republican congress, Romney and Ryan lie, pander and patently back-flip in an effort to woo America.

Offering platitudes and empty passionless promises, and backed by mega-billion dollar corporations (who REALLY care about ordinary people...) these two men seem to be using soft soap and snake oil in an effort to hoodwink America into selling its soul.

Can they do it?

xx Steph

"Is there a PLACE in this city to always feel this way?" (The Blue Nile)
sprite
Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2012 6:53:56 PM

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This is America, people vote, not for whom they like, but as a knee jerk reaction for whom they don't like - Obama is, according to the white... i mean, right... a black foreign muslim not born in the US and who is responsible for every thing that's happened to our economy for the past 8 years - Ryan and Mitt are good looking white guys who make promises they won't keep and who have enough money to buy all of Europe and half of Africa - i think it's gonna be scary close...

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CleverFox
Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2012 6:59:30 PM

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sprite wrote:
This is America, people vote, not for whom they like, but as a knee jerk reaction for whom they don't like - Obama is, according to the white... i mean, right... a black foreign muslim not born in the US and who is responsible for every thing that's happened to our economy for the past 8 years - Ryan and Mitt are good looking white guys who make promises they won't keep and who have enough money to buy all of Europe and half of Africa - i think it's gonna be scary close...
.

Steph, I disagree on one point. I think they could buy all of Europe and Africa and a large part of Asia.
stephanie
Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:01:32 PM

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I was afraid you'd say that...

The snag is, they don't want to buy Africa, Europe or Asia... The money-men who back them already own those entities, to a greater or lesser degree... They want NOW to BUY the United States Of America, thus ensuring low taxes for the mega-rich, low pay and high taxes for working people and denying the American people the basic civil right that is free health care which is, incidentally, a right that ALL European citizens enjoy. And Canadians. And Cubans.

This election is turning into the X-Factor of political competitions, in that even the most idiotic of us know that the X-Factor ISN'T about music, it's about television.... It just pretends it's about music...

(Can you see what I'm getting at?)

xx Steph

"Is there a PLACE in this city to always feel this way?" (The Blue Nile)
CleverFox
Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:20:08 PM

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In a word Steph, yes.
principessa
Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:21:30 PM

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I agree with you, Steph, but neither of us is an American.

The Republicans have somehow mastered the ability to appeal to the veiled fears of Americans of others - blacks, gays, Latinos, non-Christians, immigrants, and, most unfortunately, women - and against their own self-interest unless they are part of that party's natural constituency of right wing miliionaires. For them politics is a blood sport and consensus and compromise are dirty words. Their idiotic economic and deregulation policies have resulted in a catastrophe for Americans, but not those like Romney himself, with his Caymans bank accounts. Their foreign policy is American exceptionalism - which brought respect for the US under George Bush to new lows around the world.

I hope that Americans are smart enough to reject this and that those who do will work hard to get Obama re-elected and change the balance of power in the Congress. I fear for them and the rest of us, that it may not happen. It will be a hard and dirty fight.

stephanie
Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:27:51 PM

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I watched the Tampa RNC and was appalled! I felt so sorry for those ordinary Americans who, struggling to find solace, are placing their hopes in the hands of these heartless, manipulative, self-serving BASTARDS...

Is 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell on the cirriculum in the USA? 'Cos you're going to live it if you elect these pigs.

xx Steph

BTW, I WANT to hear from Republicans, and I'll listen respectfully... I want to understand, really, truly...

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MrNudiePants
Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:14:25 PM

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stephanie wrote:

I watched the Tampa RNC and was appalled! I felt so sorry for those ordinary Americans who, struggling to find solace, are placing their hopes in the hands of these heartless, manipulative, self-serving BASTARDS...

Is 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell on the cirriculum in the USA? 'Cos you're going to live it if you elect these pigs.

xx Steph

BTW, I WANT to hear from Republicans, and I'll listen respectfully... I want to understand, really, truly...


1. Yes, 'Animal Farm' still is required reading, but only one student in a thousand might make the leap from seeing the words on the printed page to seeing the situation come to life in the world around them. And God forbid a teacher actually try to teach something about real life in a classroom.

2. You probably won't hear form too many Republicans - I don't think there are a whole bunch on here. Republicans, by and large, want to do away with everyone's personal freedoms, and that ideal is anathema to a site like Lush.

3. To answer the original post, I seriously doubt Romney/Ryan will win the general election. If they do, it'll be through chicanery and legal maneuvering, like Dubya did. Politically, most Americans are incredibly naive. We still believe that our news broadcasters tell us the truth. We have faith in our system of elections, and assume that the idea of "majority rules" won't run the country into ruin as more and more plebiscites vote themselves more bread and circuses. we believe that anyone likeable enough to get themselves elected to a national office MUST be smart enough to do a good job once he/she gets there.

All that aside, though, we also believe in "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't." That kind of thinking got Dubya Bush re-elected, and it'll keep Obama in office. Then in 2016, we'll decide that we've had enough ruinous grandstanding from the Democrats, and put a Republican in office, thinking, "Well, he can't be any worse than what we've just been through..." Mark my words. You heard it here first.

Dani
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I highly doubt it. Most folks know they're full of shit.



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stephanie
Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:22:39 PM

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MrNudiePants wrote:


1. Yes, 'Animal Farm' still is required reading, but only one student in a thousand might make the leap from seeing the words on the printed page to seeing the situation come to life in the world around them. And God forbid a teacher actually try to teach something about real life in a classroom.

2. You probably won't hear form too many Republicans - I don't think there are a whole bunch on here. Republicans, by and large, want to do away with everyone's personal freedoms, and that ideal is anathema to a site like Lush.

3. To answer the original post, I seriously doubt Romney/Ryan will win the general election. If they do, it'll be through chicanery and legal maneuvering, like Dubya did. Politically, most Americans are incredibly naive. We still believe that our news broadcasters tell us the truth. We have faith in our system of elections, and assume that the idea of "majority rules" won't run the country into ruin as more and more plebiscites vote themselves more bread and circuses. we believe that anyone likeable enough to get themselves elected to a national office MUST be smart enough to do a good job once he/she gets there.

All that aside, though, we also believe in "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't." That kind of thinking got Dubya Bush re-elected, and it'll keep Obama in office. Then in 2016, we'll decide that we've had enough ruinous grandstanding from the Democrats, and put a Republican in office, thinking, "Well, he can't be any worse than what we've just been through..." Mark my words. You heard it here first.


Interesting points here, particularly the 'Better The Devil You Know' offering, which I wouldn't have considered...

Thank you, Mr. NP...

(This is the kind of offering I'm looking for and will help me understand and, pardon me, enjoy an election that will affect me, (eventually...) as much as it affects my USA Lushies of ALL political persuasions.)

xx Steph

"Is there a PLACE in this city to always feel this way?" (The Blue Nile)
Ruthie
Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:38:43 PM

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I agree with MrNudiePants that Romney/Ryan probably won't win the election unless it's through chicanery. There is always that possibility though. The Republican parties have tried to suppress voting in the states that they control. There are still paperless voting machines being used, and computer fraud is a bigger threat than the kinds of voter fraud that the Republican supported laws address. Computers and voting machines can be fixed. Remember "Steal Georgia," the Diabold voting machine program? Voting machines can be easily hacked. One person working at the voting machine companies could rig a national election.

In 2000 the country was doing okay. There was a budget surplus, people were working, but the Democratic nominee lost the election. I wasn't old enough to vote, so don't blame me. I personally blame Al Gore. He didn't win his home state. If he had won Tennessee, Florida wouldn't have mattered. How could he possibly have lost? The Democratic party has a habit of getting it's head stuck up it's own ass. This time around they've managed to alienate both the God People and the Non-God People by taking the word God out of their platform and then putting it back.

The Republicans might not be able to win, but the Democratic party has shown time and again that it can lose.

Kitanica
Posted: Friday, September 07, 2012 3:01:24 AM

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I think al gore might have been the victim of a hacked machine. the alternative is the majority before us voted for bush twice. that's scary Lol

Oh, no Romney can't win.
tazznjazz
Posted: Friday, September 07, 2012 3:29:13 AM

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After the only inspirational and informative speech of either convention, I say 4 more years of wild Bill Clinton.
elitfromnorth
Posted: Friday, September 07, 2012 3:32:46 AM

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A mate of mine said he was sure that Obama/Biden would win. I carefully reminded him that there's not exactly a vast majority in the US that can be considered reasonable people, since there have been so much shit in the media about Obama being a muslim and so forth. That and when they look at the candidates and think "Who follows the Bible most" and pick the candidate out of that then you've got a problem. Religion and politics should be kept apart because sometimes the good of the people is not what's in the Bible.

One thing that does surprise me is how often Republicans will link a strong Washington with tyranny. Just because you have a government that makes most of the laws that go for you, doesn't mean that you're being supressed like some sort of Stalin-subject. It seems to be something that they keep spinning and make people afraid of the Democratic party, not because of the politics but because it's "obviously" going down the line that is Communism, and to all those who think the Democratic party is anywhere near Communism I can tell you that even if they managed to do everything in their program they still wouldn't be anywhere near Social Democrats.

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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2012 5:24:36 AM

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Yes they certainly can get elected if enough people vote for them but God help us all if they do. No offence intended, but Romney is a Gerald Ford with a single brain cell and George Bush will look like a pacifist in comparison!

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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2012 5:50:50 AM

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Romney reminds me of the character in the book The War after Armeggedon. and yes he can be elected but I hope not as he will make bush look like nothing
beinggood
Posted: Friday, September 07, 2012 7:18:41 AM

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I do not have the same feelings as most here so I will just say this..I am not pleased with what we have now...

doing my best to be good..
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Wow, every post is hating on Romney/Ryan. I hope they win. I am a guy who looks at every politician as a liar. They tell us what they think we want to hear so you will vote for them. Most are lawyers who learn how present a side of the argument that will make them or their party the greatest thing ever. Its sad to me that the USA has to pick between the candidates we have. Whether REP or DEM you got to admit they are both lame. However my choice is for making our country great again, having a leader who is proud to be AMERICAN and not apologetic for it. I feel that we have started down the path of socialism and I'm out on that plan. I'm out on making everyone even. If you work hard you get more, if you choose to sit a wait for someone tho give you something, well you get what you get. The entitlement mentality has to stop, we have ruined a generation of kids with it. Whether REP of DEM they need to be reminded they actually work for US and the rest of the knuckleheads who actually run the the place need to know that as well. I say term limits for every office and get rid of the career politicians. Oh well just my 2 cents.

Have a great day and GO ROMNEY/RYAN!!!!!! Sword Fight Sword Fight
lafayettemister
Posted: Friday, September 07, 2012 8:08:34 AM

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Can Romney/Paul win the election? Yes. Will it happen? Probably not.

First off, all this talk about the Reps being full of chicanery and flip flopping and pandering, manipulative, appealing to Americans' fears, blah blah blah... is silly. By default it's saying that the Dems don't do the same things. BOTH sides do that. To suggest that one side has clean(er) political hands is naive. Just as the Reps use fear to tell their base that Liberals want to take all their money and guns and turn the country into a total nanny state. The Dems use fear to tell their base that conservatives are going to rape you and force you to have a baby you'd rather abort, take away your birth control, and let the rich off live off the sweat of the real working middle class. The average person on either side of the political spectrum believes the "other" side is dirty.

The fact of the matter is, the U.S. is split nearly 50/50 in the political sense. On each side, half are fully and totally left or right and nothing will ever convince them to change sides. But the other half of each group is probably closer to the middle and can be moved to either side depending on the election and issues at hand and can exist happily either way. But no matter who wins, a good quarter the country is going to feel left out and disenfranchised and feel they have no voice while living in a society that is the 180degree opposite of how life and governement should be, in their minds.

The problem with labeling all republican/conservative voters as racist, bigoted, stupid, white male, civil rights denying people is problematic for the Dems. First of all it invalidates the entire political opinion of millions of people. It's easier to say their opinions are invalid because of racism or bigotry, thus unworthy of debate or discussion than it is to face those issues head on and see that possibly there is some credibility to their voice on other matters, such as economic and fiscal responsibilities. Most republicans I know vote republican 90% on matters of fiscal and economy than they do social issues. Second of all, for a Republican to "switch" sides to vote Democrat he has to look himself in the mirror and decide that the views of the Republican party are wrong. Thus agreeing that Reps are racist, bigoted, stupid, white, male, civil rights denying people... which means that he himself is all those things. People do not and are not going to view themselves that way, they'll dig in the heels even deeper. Very few will look in the mirror and actually see a racist or bigoted person, and most AREN'T racist and bigoted. It is impossible to sway a person's thought process after labeling him, he won't hear anything after whatever term you use to describe him. Contrary to popular belief, there are black, hispanic, asian, homosexual, and female Republican/conservatives.

I agree and disagree with parts of what MNP said. Depending on which side of the aisle you sit, both parties have become masters of taking away personal freedoms. He is right that Americans still believe that the news anchors are telling us the truth. The fact that the term "mainstream media" even exists proves that there is little objective and unbiased reporting. Anyone outside of the "mainstream" is viewed with skepticism and lack of credibility. It always baffles me the way FoxNews watchers bash msnbc/cnn for being in the pocket of democrats while ignoring the obvious right-leaning stances on their preferred news source. And vice versa.

Politics has become more like X-Factor. That's John McCain's fault for throwing Sarah Palin on the stage and parading her around like Miss America. Both sides are throwing up their heavyweights at conventions, preaching to the choir while bashing the other side. The two party system is broken. No matter who wins, millions of Americans will feel unimportant. Neither candidate is very appealing to me. Either one in office will try to mold our country to fit their vision of it. Doing only what is best for them and their party instead of doing what is right for us as a whole, even if parts of that are contrary to their own personal beliefs.

Pres. W. Bush took a "you're with us or you're against us" approach to the world as a whole and in part with his politics. Pres. Obama has a similar mindset. Both sides have jumped all over that ideal to try to force feed their ways onto the opposition instead of working together to find ways to coexist and compromise and keep our country somewhere in the middle. This "all or nothing" approach is going to doom us, one way or the other.

Can Romney win? Yes. Likely? No.

Sorry for being so long winded.





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HardNReady12
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elitfromnorth wrote:
A mate of mine said he was sure that Obama/Biden would win. I carefully reminded him that there's not exactly a vast majority in the US that can be considered reasonable people, since there have been so much shit in the media about Obama being a muslim and so forth. That and when they look at the candidates and think "Who follows the Bible most" and pick the candidate out of that then you've got a problem. Religion and politics should be kept apart because sometimes the good of the people is not what's in the Bible.

One thing that does surprise me is how often Republicans will link a strong Washington with tyranny. Just because you have a government that makes most of the laws that go for you, doesn't mean that you're being supressed like some sort of Stalin-subject. It seems to be something that they keep spinning and make people afraid of the Democratic party, not because of the politics but because it's "obviously" going down the line that is Communism, and to all those who think the Democratic party is anywhere near Communism I can tell you that even if they managed to do everything in their program they still wouldn't be anywhere near Social Democrats.
Well I guess we can chalk this rant up to the fact that you are, not a voter and haven't read the Constitution. When our, that is my founders, wanted a very weak Federal gubmint, and strong state gubmint. Obummer, Barry Soetoro, BTW that is his name, he never changed it after mummy married Lolo Soetoro. So the federal imperal gubmint was not supposed to be the most important thing in my life, unfortunately that's not the case. Is he a Muslim? Can't say, when mummy got married to hubby #2, mummy moved Barry to Jakarta and enrolled him in a madrasah. We know that he has some very big gubmint beliefs, and has "ruled" to that end. He has run up our debt by close to $6T of new debt. So if you aren't sure of how I stand, Barry had better be gone and back to Chicago in Jan '13. If not we have little change of lasting 4 more years.
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t-rex wrote:
Wow, every post is hating on Romney/Ryan. I hope they win. I am a guy who looks at every politician as a liar. They tell us what they think we want to hear so you will vote for them. Most are lawyers who learn how present a side of the argument that will make them or their party the greatest thing ever. Its sad to me that the USA has to pick between the candidates we have. Whether REP or DEM you got to admit they are both lame. However my choice is for making our country great again, having a leader who is proud to be AMERICAN and not apologetic for it. I feel that we have started down the path of socialism and I'm out on that plan. I'm out on making everyone even. If you work hard you get more, if you choose to sit a wait for someone tho give you something, well you get what you get. The entitlement mentality has to stop, we have ruined a generation of kids with it. Whether REP of DEM they need to be reminded they actually work for US and the rest of the knuckleheads who actually run the the place need to know that as well. I say term limits for every office and get rid of the career politicians. Oh well just my 2 cents.

Have a great day and GO ROMNEY/RYAN!!!!!! Sword Fight Sword Fight

What you say is true, to a point, they are supposed to work for us, but as Valarie Garrett said in Nov '08, "we are ready to rule." That's the way the Proggies feel, they are rulers not public servants. Yes we are on the path of socialism, both parties want that, but the Proggies have extended the safety net to new highs of "taking care" of more and more, bailing out the UAW, spending billions and billions for what? Employment has risen, less people are in the work force now than during Carter's years. We have gone backward for 4 years, and don't tell me it's all W's fault, Barry came into office, gas was $1.84, 15 million fewer people were on food stamps and we owed $6T less. We need to support Mitt and get Barry out of the White House.
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Can they win, most definitely. Will they win, unfortunately it wouldnt shock me. The only thing I am sure of is we will have a shitty president AGAIN either way.
lafayettemister
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Nikki703 wrote:
Can they win, most definitely. Will they win, unfortunately it wouldnt shock me. The only thing I am sure of is we will have a shitty president AGAIN either way.


Yes, that pretty sums it up. Well put.





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beinggood wrote:
I do not have the same feelings as most here so I will just say this..I am not pleased with what we have now...

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HardNReady12
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stephanie wrote:


As Obama continues to wade through eight years of Bush engendered shit, incidentally blocked at every attempted reform by a vindictive Republican congress, Romney and Ryan lie, pander and patently back-flip in an effort to woo America.

Offering platitudes and empty passionless promises, and backed by mega-billion dollar corporations (who REALLY care about ordinary people...) these two men seem to be using soft soap and snake oil in an effort to hoodwink America into selling its soul.

Can they do it?

xx Steph


After the lackluster speech, Barry, P-Bo gave last night let' hope the Independents see what we've had for 4 years and end it. In Jan '09 gas was $1.84, over Labor Day it went to $4.09, 15 million more people are on food stamps, 2.7 fewer people are in the work force, and we owe close to $6T more than we did with W. W's avg. unemployment numbers were 5.26%, for 8 years, this morning they are still over 8%. 44% less drilling for oil on public land, Keystone pipeline still not built. And we are monetizing the debt so who really know how much the Fed has made our dollar shrink by printing, by just electronically adding to the debt.
HardNReady12
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CoopsRuthie wrote:
I agree with MrNudiePants that Romney/Ryan probably won't win the election unless it's through chicanery. There is always that possibility though. The Republican parties have tried to suppress voting in the states that they control. There are still paperless voting machines being used, and computer fraud is a bigger threat than the kinds of voter fraud that the Republican supported laws address. Computers and voting machines can be fixed. Remember "Steal Georgia," the Diabold voting machine program? Voting machines can be easily hacked. One person working at the voting machine companies could rig a national election.

In 2000 the country was doing okay. There was a budget surplus, people were working, but the Democratic nominee lost the election. I wasn't old enough to vote, so don't blame me. I personally blame Al Gore. He didn't win his home state. If he had won Tennessee, Florida wouldn't have mattered. How could he possibly have lost? The Democratic party has a habit of getting it's head stuck up it's own ass. This time around they've managed to alienate both the God People and the Non-God People by taking the word God out of their platform and then putting it back.

The Republicans might not be able to win, but the Democratic party has shown time and again that it can lose.


In 2000 there was never a surplus, Clinton didn't leave W with a surplus. The CBO PROJECTION, that's all it was, a projection was based things the can't and haven't ever happened.

First, this claim about the Clinton tax increases leading to job creation. We happened to put this rumor to bed somewhat recently in Nealz Nuze. The fact is that Bill Clinton’s 1993 tax hikes actually slowed economic growth. From 1993 until 1997, the economy grew at a pedestrian 3.3% per year – a number Barack Obama would kill for. But what happened after 1997? Tax cuts! The top capital gains rate was cut from 28% to 20%, among other cuts. Here’s what happened as a result, according to the Heritage Foundation: “Business investment skyrocketed after the tax cut, and the economy grew at an annualized rate of 4.4 percent (33 percent faster than after the Clinton tax hike) from 1997 through the end of the Clinton presidency. Real wages reversed their downward trend and grew 1.7 percent per year during the same time.”

And about Clinton eliminating the deficit. Time for a little painful truth. The surplus? It never existed. It was never there. The surplus was nothing more than a prediction by the Congressional Budget Office in 2001 as to what was going to happen over the next 10 years. This prediction was based on several assumptions. First, the economic growth of the late 1990s and the growth in the Dow would continue generating record tax revenues. Second, the surplus prediction was based on the improbable idea that discretionary spending would fall to levels last seen in the 1930s. The CBO prediction also failed to take into account terrorist attacks and the resulting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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I guess i have to jump into this bleeding heart liberal, Bush bashing post with both feet.

first can Romney/Ryan win...yes they can. Will they win is another question. To answer that question you have to look at a few things. No incumbent has ever faced a reelection with unemployment over 8%. The jobs numbers today show that that the economy is slowing as 800K people who stopped looking for work is the only reason that the rate dropped to 8.1%. It did not go down because he created 91,000 net jobs. Our economic growth is rising at a paltry 1.7% rate which is bad at best. That amount of growth can not sustain a recovery and points to a recession.

The rising debt is a huge concern to the middle class. IF any of you think we can increase taxes on the super rich and balance the budget you have truly lost touch with reality. For Obama to stop adding to the national debt he will have to raise taxes on every American. And that is assuming that if we raise taxes it will lead to more tax revenue. If you understand the Laffer curve you will realize that as you raise taxes your revenue will decline once you reach certain point. In addition no President has added more money to the US debt than Obama has and that concerns many more Americans than Obama could have ever realized.

Also lets correct one point in Staphanie's original post. Obama has not faced a "vindictive congress" his entire term. the dumbocrats controlled both the House and the Senate in his first 2 years and they held a super majority in the Senate.

The real question here should not be can Romney/Ryan win but can Obama possibly win this election and that answer is more no than yes
sprite
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tazznjazz wrote:
After the only inspirational and informative speech of either convention, I say 4 more years of wild Bill Clinton.


with Michelle Obama as his running mate :)

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what Mr Obama has going for him right now is that Mitt/Ryan are going a really good job of pissing off/disenfranchizing a LOT of people. women, blacks, hispanics - anyone not rich and white - that said, he's got a LOT of money behind him and the presidents approval rating is low - i think that it really depends on what happens between now and the election. if things go south, he could very well win.

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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:47:31 AM

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sprite wrote:


with Michelle Obama as his running mate :)


Actually...Michelle is the SMARTER of the two....and a danged sight BETTER looking, too.

You make me smile!!

Rick

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