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principessa
Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2012 4:43:10 PM

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sorry double post

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[quote=1ball]

Have you made the mistake so many other collectivists have made, assuming I'm a Republican? I'm a left-libertarian on the political scale. If the Democrats don't kick out the socialists, the collectivists will continue to deserve what is happening to them.

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I understand.
Your world is full of 'collectivists' and 'socialists' constantly conspiring to take your things away.
It must be exhausting, digging all those hidey-holes, and keeping watch all day.
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Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2012 4:51:51 PM

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principessa wrote:
sorry double post


Thanks for that New Yorker post, principessa.
Very interesting, and very entertaining.
principessa
Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:04:05 PM

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Oberon wrote:


Thanks for that New Yorker post, principessa.
Very interesting, and very entertaining.


You're welcome.

Just don't tell 1ball. Adam Gopnik is a Canadian. Just part of the socialist Trojan horse of Canadians in the US subverting his Ayn Rand individualist wet dream.

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principessa wrote:


You're welcome.

Just don't tell 1ball. Adam Gopnik is a Canadian. Just part of the socialist Trojan horse of Canadians in the US subverting his Ayn Rand individualist wet dream.


Atlas Shrieked?
The Mountainhead?

I didn't know Adam Gopnik is Canadian.
Thank you for letting me know, (those Socialist, Collectivist, Canadians sure as hell can write.)

Cheers,

- O -
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1ball
Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:25:29 PM

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Oberon wrote:
I understand.
Your world is full of 'collectivists' and 'socialists' constantly conspiring to take your things away.


No, our world is full of people who convince governments to repeat the experiment that always fails and then blame the predictable consequences on others. Economic ignorance + centralization of authority produces economic stagnation. You like the sugar coating on the horse shit that Krugman feeds you, but your inability to coherently articulate economic arguments against Economics In One Lesson and your reliance on simply posting articles by the usual suspects is why you can't sell your snakeoil.

You try to dismiss the concerns of people who don't trust a government elected by people who can think we can miraculously avoid the consequences of irrationally voting to take from people who are certain they have no reason to allow it and who have the means to prevent it. Trust is something that has to be earned. Why would an intelligent person give their trust to someone who can't earn it?


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Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 12:23:57 AM

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1ball wrote:

you can't sell your snakeoil.

You try to dismiss the concerns of people who don't trust a government elected by people who can think we can miraculously avoid the consequences of irrationally voting to take from people who are certain they have no reason to allow it and who have the means to prevent it. Trust is something that has to be earned. Why would an intelligent person give their trust to someone who can't earn it?




Britain’s Paul Ryan

by Paul Krugman
The New York Times

In a lot of ways George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer (finance minister) is Britain’s answer to Paul Ryan. True, he’s a toned-down version — no Ayn Rand, please, we’re British — but other aspects of package are there in full force: he’s articulate, has a vision that’s completely at odds with everything we actually know about macroeconomics, and he was for a while the darling not just of the right but of self-proclaimed centrists on both sides of the Atlantic.

Osborne’s big idea was that Britain should turn to fiscal austerity now now now, even though the economy remained deeply depressed; it would all work out, he insisted, because the confidence fairy would come to the rescue. Never mind those whining Keynesians who said that premature austerity would send Britain into a double-dip recession.

Strange to say, Britain’s recovery stalled soon after Cameron/Osborne began their new policies, and the country is now in a double-dip recession.

So is Cameron rethinking his faith in Osborne? According to the FT, no:

But Mr Osborne continues to enjoy David Cameron’s backing and will stay as chancellor when the prime minister this week conducts his reshuffle, expected to take place on Tuesday.
Instead of a real policy rethink, what Cameron and Osborne apparently have in mind is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic a set of basically minor twiddles involving credit and planning authorizations, which seem highly unlikely to make any significant difference.

Still, there is criticism from within the Tory party — except what the dissidents want is not a return to conventional macro, but “right-wing shock therapy”.

I was particularly struck by this:

Although the chancellor insisted that the economy was “healing” he told the BBC’s Andrew Marr there were many obstacles ahead adding: “There is no easy route to a magical recovery.”
That sounds wise and restrained, but it’s actually completely wrong-headed. Britain is suffering from lack of demand; it could have a quick (not magical) recovery if policies were taken to stimulate demand. It’s the belief that the country can’t recover quickly, not the belief that it can, that constitutes economic mysticism.

And the slump — which has now, in Britain, lasted longer than the slump in the 1930s — goes on.






You don't need to believe The New York Times, or Harper's Magazine, or The Atlantic, or The New Yorker, or The Huffington Post or any of a hundred other thoughtful, intelligent publications, to know what Romney's 'fairy dust' economic policies would produce. You just need to look at the countries where those policies have failed.

I believe my taxes should go up to help the world recover from the devastating idiocy of W's pin-headed pillaging, but you believe I'M the person trying to sell you snakeoil, not the candidate who promises to lower taxes by 20% but won't tell you how he'll pay for it.

God help us all if too many frightened people trust that snake and buy his oil.
1ball
Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:35:33 AM

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Oberon wrote:
*yet another quoting of somebody else's words because Oberon can't come up with his own followed by*:

I believe my taxes should go up...


What you believe doesn't matter. The reality is that here in the US, taxes will not go up on the wealthy because they have the ability to avoid that. If taxes go up, they will go up on the middle class and the middle class will counter that in ways that will adversely affect the poor. Repeatedly quoting a source who has zero credibility does not increase your credibility.

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not the candidate who promises to lower taxes by 20% but won't tell you how he'll pay for it.


What the candidate says to get elected doesn't matter. What the winner's party will do with the winner's authority does.


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Hasabrain2
Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 1:24:47 PM

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If Romeny gets elected it will be the because beleive his lies. Obama says he think everyone should have health and voila, you have OBama care. You may or may not agree with, but you can't claim he didn't do what he said he would. Same with regulating the credit markets, he said he would and he did. He said he would increaseing funding for Pell grants and he did. He said he would devote money to solar energy projects and he did. (The Repbulicans love to point out that one of these projects lost millions of dollars. It did, but the other 35 projects suceeded. Most CEOs would be
thrilled with a 35 and 1 record).

Romney promises 12 million jobs. No modern president has come close to that (the closest would be Bill Clinton at 9 million). I'd like to say I can
bench press 300 pounds, but realistically that's never going to happen.

God forbid Romeny get elected and does what he says. Then we would have 50 Medicare plans, you'd have seniors moving state to state trying to get the best plan and fifty different state agencies trying to learn how to provide medical care for seniors.


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Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 5:02:18 PM

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1ball wrote:

No, our world is full of people who convince governments to repeat the experiment that always fails and then blame the predictable consequences on others.


Exactly.
That's what Paul Krugman has been saying about Republican fairy dust all along.
Glad to see you're entering the light.

---

You are so adorable when you're all pouty and belligerent. Like a deaf, miniature bulldog I once owned that used to bark at itself all day and all night, because it couldn't hear. Sadly, it got loose from its chain one January morning and was flattened on the highway by a tour bus driven by Mitt Romney's campaign manager. They had it stuffed, then tied it to the roof and drove around with it to demonstrate how they'd re-animate America's economy after a respectful period of austerity, equipage, and calling old folks irresponsible for needing meds. So, at least the dog still gets around.

You don't seem to be aware, but CoopsRuthie refuted your Hazlitt book articulately, elegantly and completely. Every argument you have started has been refuted totally - by principessa, LadyX, Magical_felix, and others who were all far more mature, articulate, polite, patient, and persuasive than you could ever hope to be. Just cause you're still barking doesn't mean you won anything. It just means you can't hear. There's a word for that condition: Republicanism.

Here's an article about Romney's tax 'plan':
Have a good life.


http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/10/the-6-studies-paul-ryan-cited-prove-mitt-romneys-tax-plan-is-impossible/26

principessa
Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 5:47:57 PM

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Thank you, Oberon, for summarizing it all so eloquently. Interestingly, you have observed deafness, while I thought it was willful blindness - the refusal to acknowledge the obvious, proven truth. But I guess there are some people out there still who think the world is flat and are afraid of sailing off the edge.

I will be so happy when the election over and, please God, this thread is finished.

Guest
Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 6:08:24 PM

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principessa wrote:
Thank you, Oberon, for summarizing it all so eloquently. Interestingly, you have observed deafness, while I thought it was willful blindness - the refusal to acknowledge the obvious, proven truth. But I guess there are some people out there still who think the world is flat and are afraid of sailing off the edge.

I will be so happy when the election over and, please God, this thread is finished.


Willful blindness, yes! Another branch of denial.

Well, this experience turned out to be worthwhile. I'm going to read your stories now.

Cheers,

- o -
1ball
Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 5:14:29 PM

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[quote=Oberon]
That's what Paul Krugman... [quote]

Krugman is not credible and neither are any of the other people who are trying to sell an agenda of self-sacrifice. I'll continue to vote against Democrats until they boot out the socialists, because the damage that socialism does is greater than the damage that other religions do. Your inability to credibly defend it is all you've proven. No sale on your sugar coated horse shit.


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1ball
Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:26:49 PM

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Hasabrain2 wrote:
If Romeny gets elected it will be the because beleive his lies.


If Romney gets elected, it will be because people are tired of Obama and his inability to be anything other than divisive.

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Obama says he think everyone should have health and voila, you have OBama care.


Lfunny

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You may or may not agree with, but you can't claim he didn't do what he said he would.


Didn't he say he wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class?

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God forbid Romeny get elected and does what he says. Then we would have 50 Medicare plans,


Is Europe doing something wrong by having 20+ different welfare states for their freeriders to choose from?

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you'd have seniors moving state to state trying to get the best plan and fifty different state agencies trying to learn how to provide medical care for seniors.


That sounds like a great way to evolve the best system, instead of the one that will bankrupt the entire country. It would also help protect the US from runaway democracy and nationwide crony socialism.


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LadyX
Posted: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:13:40 AM

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1ball wrote:
No sale on your sugar coated horse shit.


But you're not still under the impression that anyone's trying to sell you on anything right? You got your whole doctrine laid out for yourself, come what may, and everyone else is wrong. I don't buy your brand of horseshit either, and it's already been established that all of our opinions and beliefs, plus most of our own questions, are irrelevant anyway- which is sort of freeing, really. I can see the appeal in that.

Look, your nihilism is rubbing off on me! evil4

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LadyX wrote:


But you're not still under the impression that anyone's trying to sell you on anything right? You got your whole doctrine laid out for yourself, come what may, and everyone else is wrong. I don't buy your brand of horseshit either, and it's already been established that all of our opinions and beliefs, plus most of our own questions, are irrelevant anyway- which is sort of freeing, really. I can see the appeal in that.

Look, your nihilism is rubbing off on me! evil4



I don't recall seeing our resident know it all 1 ball published in any newspapers, and my opinion is your horseshit is far from sugar coated, just plain stinky.evil4


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I'm not particularly political, but Romney just doesn't seem to have any plan except for right wing morality. One could argue about Obama's failures, I thought pushing a terrible health plan rather than getting us off foreign oil was a massive misjudgment of priorities, but at least he has some ideas.
Romney is just another right wing empty suit.




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What I would like to know is which one of them is capable of handling the coming war between Iran and Israel. Once this election is over those two narions are going to be kicking the s*** out of each other and it is going to drag most of the world into the conflict. Which one of them is capable of not only keeping a cool head but also keeping the conflict as localised as possible.

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LadyX wrote:
But you're not still under the impression that anyone's trying to sell you on anything right?


You mean like membership in the Utopia? Every collectivist is always trying to sell that, at least until they wake up and look at the their co-believers and realize they've boxed themselves into a lifetime of servitude to the cronies of the leaders they've been electing. The problem is you can't sell the belief that your Utopia is something other than a dystopia.

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You got your whole doctrine laid out for yourself,


Actually, I've no doctrine, unless you consider "Life is Good" to be a doctrine. I personally call it an axiom. I'll take that on faith. The rest derives from it. What you don't seem to realize is that the axiom at the root of your beliefs is "Life is conditionally good and somebody else gets to set the conditions." It doesn't matter whether were talking, Catholicism, Communism, Socialism, or whatever brand of collectivism you care to admit to, it's all the same in the relevant aspects.

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everyone else is wrong.


Trying to pretend I'm the only one who who shares the ideals and principles that derive from Life is Good, is a futile approach. The evidence that I'm not is all around you. Capital flight from blue states, job losses from the US, growing debt with no politically viable plan to stop it. People are defeating your doctrine of servitude to the "common good" consistently and routinely. So no, not "everyone else is wrong". The people who are daily refusing to buy into the hive mind aren't wrong.

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I don't buy your brand of horseshit either, and it's already been established that all of our opinions and beliefs, plus most of our own questions, are irrelevant anyway- which is sort of freeing, really. I can see the appeal in that.


As long as you're not expecting different results, I say go for it. Keep voting for people who promise you something paid for by somebody else and who deliver only more pain. Step on the accelerator and have fun. evil4


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You mean like membership in the Utopia? Every collectivist is always trying to sell that, at least until they wake up and look at the their co-believers and realize they've boxed themselves into a lifetime of servitude to the cronies of the leaders they've been electing.


LOL. What page of your fantasy novel does this seminal moment occur on?

"Oh, dear. It would appear that the chickens have come home to roost, Pappy! And all we have to show for it is all this servitude. Where will we put it?"


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Actually, I've no doctrine, unless you consider "Life is Good" to be a doctrine.




You chose a corporate apparel slogan? laughing9 Coming from you, that's at least fitting.

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Trying to pretend I'm the only one who who shares the ideals and principles that derive from Life is Good, is a futile approach.


You mean, other than "Life Is Good"s shareholders?

No, you're right. There's lots of wacky individualists and right-wingers that drink that kool-aid. It's cool. Different strokes, and all.

But to crawl into your paranoid mind for a moment: let's assume that I have a "doctrine of servitude", and it's being defeated consistently and routinely. If this is true, then what's all the fuss about? If this imaginary fight you believe in is such a one-sided blowout, then why all the Cassandra-talk about a country on the brink, and "it's too late to save it anyway, we can only slow the descent", and all the other talk about collectivist armageddon being inevitable? If life's so damn good, then what's with all the hand-wringing, demagoguery, and angst?


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angieseroticpen wrote:
What I would like to know is which one of them is capable of handling the coming war between Iran and Israel. Once this election is over those two narions are going to be kicking the s*** out of each other and it is going to drag most of the world into the conflict. Which one of them is capable of not only keeping a cool head but also keeping the conflict as localised as possible.


I trust Obama more on this issue, personally. He's been hesitant to get sucked into Bibi Netanyahu's bluff-game, and the other ticket, especially Paul Ryan, have more than a taste of Bush-era "you're either furr us or aginn us" neo-conservative bluster to their rhetoric. Remember that Bush didn't engage with any of that talk before he was elected. He only decided to become a dim-witted faux-John Wayne after his handlers let him try on some cowboy clothes. If Romney/Ryan are saying what they're saying in an effort to get elected on it, well that's a little more alarming.
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Milik_The_Red wrote:
I'm not particularly political, but Romney just doesn't seem to have any plan except for right wing morality. One could argue about Obama's failures, I thought pushing a terrible health plan rather than getting us off foreign oil was a massive misjudgment of priorities, but at least he has some ideas.
Romney is just another right wing empty suit.


Romney's just following conventional political wisdom. To get the broadest appeal possible, he has to avoid being specific, because being specific excludes. To say he has no ideas is to assume you can trust the words that come from his mouth. That's a mistake with any politician. They all throw inconvenient constituent groups under the bus after they win. The echoes from Obama's oath of office were still rolling around DC when he threw gays overboard. They all reveal their ideas during a first term, but only as a means to get reelected. They all spend their second term trying to patch up their legacy with the people who matter to them. That's the pattern.

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angieseroticpen wrote:
What I would like to know is which one of them is capable of handling the coming war between Iran and Israel. Once this election is over those two narions are going to be kicking the s*** out of each other and it is going to drag most of the world into the conflict. Which one of them is capable of not only keeping a cool head but also keeping the conflict as localised as possible.


Why does there have to be a war, to begin with? And if there is warfare, why would America have to be involved, aside from the fact that our leaders (both Democrats & Republicans, can't seem to let a good opportunity for war profiteering pass by without stepping up to the trough).

How much military & domestic financial aid has the United States been giving to Israel since that nation tried to sink the USS Liberty? Israel has plenty of firepower they've purchased or been given over the last 30 years and if they wish to start some shit, let 'em, I say.

Israel also has nukes, they've had them since the 1960s while pretending to the world that they do not. And they are whining about Iran having the capability to manufacture nuclear weapons? Gimme a fucking break.



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LadyX wrote:
LOL. What page of your fantasy novel does this seminal moment occur on?


When wisdom arrives. For some that never happens. They spend their entire lives feeling entitled, causing misery and unnecessary suffering.

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You chose a corporate apparel slogan?


The corporation chose an axiom as a slogan.

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No, you're right. There's lots of wacky individualists and right-wingers that drink that kool-aid.


Are you implying that Life is not Good? ;)

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let's assume that I have a "doctrine of servitude", and it's being defeated consistently and routinely. If this is true, then what's all the fuss about?


To complain and blame others while causing your own pain is irrational.

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If this imaginary fight you believe in is such a one-sided blowout, then why all the Cassandra-talk about a country on the brink, and "it's too late to save it anyway, we can only slow the descent", and all the other talk about collectivist armageddon being inevitable? If life's so damn good, then what's with all the hand-wringing, demagoguery, and angst?


There is no hand-wringing, demagoguery or angst. I enjoy communicating a message of hope to those who are suffering. Turning to a live and let live morality would free you of much of the angst in your life. It would mean hard work, but it's rewarding work, because you would be working for yourself rather than those who determine what "the common good" is. All you have to do is free your mind from the belief that simply being human entitles you to subsidy. You learned when you were a baby that all you had to do was cry and somebody would stuff a nipple in your mouth or change your diaper. Maturing emotionally means unlearning that.


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1ball wrote:


There is no hand-wringing, demagoguery or angst. I enjoy communicating a message of hope to those who are suffering. Turning to a live and let live morality would free you of much of the angst in your life. It would mean hard work, but it's rewarding work, because you would be working for yourself rather than those who determine what "the common good" is. All you have to do is free your mind from the belief that simply being human entitles you to subsidy. You learned when you were a baby that all you had to do was cry and somebody would stuff a nipple in your mouth or change your diaper. Maturing emotionally means unlearning that.


You didn't really answer the question there. If this battle in your head is so one-sided and routinely won by people such as yourself, then why the broken-record stridency about the inevitable ruin at the hands of collectivism?

As for the other, I'm not the subsidy-grubbing ideologue that your worldview demands you identify me to be. My life's taught me to rely on nothing and give ultimate trust to nobody. Life is really a piece of shit, generally, but I have to admit it's been pretty damn good for me lately. Especially since I had a child and things have gone pretty well in my life for a change. Nevertheless, throwaway slogans don't mean anything to me. The future of this country does, however powerless I am to do anything about it.

I'm happy to let you characterize me any way you wish, just as I'm happy to agree to disagree. I will, however, speak up when and if it becomes a misrepresentation of me, or an opportunity to share an oppositional opinion.
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LadyX wrote:
You didn't really answer the question there. If this battle in your head


I reject your description of a battle in my head. There is an ideology that, despite your protests, you adhere to. It is a belief that sufficient cooperation with an ideal called "the common good" will result in a climate where a majority will decide that the common good results from treating the wealth of others as common wealth.

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is so one-sided and routinely won by people such as yourself, then why the broken-record stridency about the inevitable ruin at the hands of collectivism?


I didn't say "won". I said they are defeating your doctrine of servitude. They are rejecting your beliefs and avoiding your grasp. They do this on an individual level and transfer the pain you wish to cause them back to you.

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As for the other, I'm not the subsidy-grubbing ideologue that your worldview demands you identify me to be.


Yes, you are. You specifically want "affordable" health care at somebody else's expense. You voted accordingly to attempt to coerce that result.

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My life's taught me to rely on nothing and give ultimate trust to nobody. Life is really a piece of shit, generally, but I have to admit it's been pretty damn good for me lately. Especially since I had a child and things have gone pretty well in my life for a change. Nevertheless, throwaway slogans don't mean anything to me. The future of this country does, however powerless I am to do anything about it.


You can make life even better by accepting that you don't deserve subsidy from anybody.


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Let's hope so!!
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ladyx and individualist-boy wrote:

As for the other, I'm not the subsidy-grubbing ideologue that your worldview demands you identify me to be. ------>


Yes, you are. You specifically want "affordable" health care at somebody else's expense. You voted accordingly to attempt to coerce that result.


My point exactly LOL. Repeating it ad nauseum doesn't make it so, but good try.

"Life is good"
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LadyX wrote:
Repeating it ad nauseum doesn't make it so, but good try.


So you didn't vote for Obama in '08? and you're not going to vote for him in November? Maybe you have some wisdom after all. ;)

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