I am going to ask you this, do you believe that your country would enjoy the level of freedom it does now IF not for the USA?

Greed, do you attempt to earn more from you labors?

Strange question. Firstly avoiding the issue after having posed the question and secondly starting another deviation. Let's recap and return to the original debate - some person went on about god given rights to have guns which I thought hypocritical - this led to others' patriotic sloganeering. I have not championed any particular country or cause mainly arguing about the contradiction of personally owned firearms. To me this issue is a sort of joke like those James Cagney movies with machine guns etc so over the top they were amusing - so unreal. However that doesn't seem to be the case with you guys; you find this not only serious but normal (that in itself would be quite funny if the consequences weren't so serious). However don't think I am avoiding your greed question I just feel it's irrelevant.

This is the most attention you have gotten in a while huh? You remind me of this little brown fella here when you talk about war. He's a chicken hawk.

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Ok lets remove the god given part. it is still a right given to me by the bill of rights. #2 in case any of you couldnt remember or failed history class.

A right that is not absolute or unregulated, as the Supreme Court has affirmed.

If I kill an intruder, you can be pretty damn sure he (or she) deserved it.

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o well if al else fails theres always austria

I love this country, but this is one of many hoorible things nobama and his so called administration have done. among giving f16s to a country lead by radical muslims. way to go there buddy . id much rather leave, and if yall wanna stay here and watch it burn be my guest. id take a few steps back or you mite roast. while the one who actualy is responsible is safe and cozy in his bunker.

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You can edit your posts, mmurray, instead of making one word correction posts. And gods, I wish you would. I also wish you well in whatever country you decide to leave the US for. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Your concern is touching. Whacked, but touching.

Yeah. We should just turn them in. Let them take em' away. Drink the kool-aid and get on the train. Sorry but I'm not going to. I believe in survival for my family and myself. I want every means to assure that for myself and people I love. I won't be the aggressor, but I will be the defender.
Some people think that our government won't do any harm to us. I don't necessarily buy that. Look at the Native American Indian. They stole their land and displaced them to regions that would barely support human life with the skills that they had. Those that resisted were slaughtered. Many that were willing to move died due to the conditions. Yes some are still here. Most of which are not the proud and self reliant people that their ancestors were.
What about the thugs? Do you really think they buy their guns on the internet, in gun shops, or at gun shows? No. They steal them. They not only steal them from law abiding gun owners, they steal them from each other. There is no code of conduct with criminals. They steal from law enforcement, buy them off the street, bring them across the southern border, have them sent via the US mail from countries all over the world. The don't care. They don't worry about background checks, they don't worry about magazine capacities, they don't worry about registration, or any of these measures. They don't and won't participate in any of these. These people want strict gun control. It will make their job much easier and safer. After an easy night's work they can go home to their crack head wife with some stolen loot and be able to feed their kids that are learning to be the next generation of criminals.
Next thought might be the Mexican drug gangs. Just across the border there seems to be a lot killing going on. How can this be? It is illegal to own guns in Mexico. If citizens in our country no longer have guns it will still be OK right? When these people cross the border to do business they check their guns at the gate, right? Oh, they cut the fence and don't use a normal border crossing. That might not be good. If they know there is very little resistance on our side of the fence, how long do you suppose it will take for them to cross the border and force people to traffic their drugs and whatever else they have going on? These people are ruthless. Without civilian gun ownership this will move North and do so quickly. Laugh all you want but the day may come when you show up fifteen minutes late for a relative's birthday party with twenty guests and get to spend the next two days helping the police figure out which head goes with which body. Someone called 911 and the cops got there five minutes before you. Maybe if Uncle Fred and Cousins Joe and Bob still had their guns things would be different?

Monocle,
Read it. I'm not in favor of ANY ban or any other legislation. Christ we already have 20,000+ gun laws on the books and they aren't enforcing most of them.

If I delete all the gun law discussion threads, will that help prevent gun nuts from finding these forums via the search engines?

I'm guessing so...