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WellMadeMale
Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 2:50:56 PM

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Milankovitch cycles - Lemme Google that for you

I've heard of him and his theories, his postulations his own - gasp (conspiracy theory) His is a hypothesis.

Words have meaning, Monocle.

There are people on this website who think we should do away with all labels. I personally think that labels are rather concise and definitive and therefore, handy to utilize.

For the Milankovitch theory to hold any weight with me, we'd have to see evidence of this orbital eccentricity going back for several million years... ice age cycles going back hundreds of millions of years instead of hundreds of thousands of years.

And as far as I am aware...

That's not been proven nor even explored.

It's simply another conspiracy theory that has yet to be fully fleshed out. You choose to believe it and I don't.

Doesn't make you more wrong then me or me, more right than you.

But it's just another theory that has yet to be proven factual.

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Monocle
Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:17:39 PM

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WellMadeMale wrote:
Milankovitch cycles - Lemme Google that for you


Very patronizing of you. But thanks. I first studied them more than 25 years ago.


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For the Milankovitch theory to hold any weight with me, we'd have to see evidence of this orbital eccentricity going back for several million years... ice age cycles going back hundreds of millions of years instead of hundreds of thousands of years.

And as far as I am aware...

That's not been proven nor even explored.

Then you are very, very unaware.

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Doesn't make you more wrong then me or me, more right than you.

Actually, the geologic record makes you very much more wrong.

Guest
Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:40:17 PM

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I think we all agree that Gore is full of shit. The man is only interested in money and will sell out to anyone including oil lords and terrorist and untill the jerks in Washington and elsewhere complain about China and Russia and many of the third world countries as much as they complain about the U.S. they don't really care either. Even the Sierra Club is run by a leftist and no commie or nazi has ever cared for the earth or the people other than what they can enslave and make themselves rich by.

We are near the end of a minor ice age and that has been know for a long time. But as the population grows and our resources are used up and green land and water continues to be used up just as recourses are we have to blame more than history and the placement of the planet. It is like the socialist system that most of the world is use to where they think they can live high and free off others for ever. Like a pyramid racket it only works so far. So when we no longer have the sources of input that are greater than the output the earth, like the economy starts a downward spiral.

I live in California. We passed a law called California Environmental Quality Act. It was written to protect both the people and the land when building etc. But a law is only as good as those who uphold it. In my city the last major marsh land had been illegally destroyed by builders who have the city fathers in their pocket. And the fools here reelected Gov. Brown, knows as "Space Cadet" for his loony and corrupt ways, has all but gotten rid of the CEQA.

As far as other sources of power....nuclear is of course the worst. Any waste that has a harmful life of thousands of years and can cause the kind of problems that Russia, Japan and the U.S. have had when things go wrong is not a good source. As far as wind and solar, it works, but the present companies are mostly being run by political buddies of those in power as pay offs and kick backs for favors and like unions run by mobs instead of workers the organizations aren't working. The type of electric cars also being built by political pals is not only funny, but dangerous and it will be some time before real replacements will be ready for the market. Add the new "light bulbs" that Washington has made us buy are another example of government stupid and corrupt leadership. They do not last as long as the old, give off less light and are a hazard to the environment if not handled right. You can't just recycle them like the old ones. Point being, the government is not going to do anything real to help. What they try is mostly done to put money in the pockets of those who put money in the pockets of the politicians. A bad circle, but we created it.

We of course can do our part. But many who say they are doing the most are only throwing hand full’s of dirt at a forest fire. If you have more than one TV, if you have cell phones, if you buy from China or other places who do not care for the environment or for the safety of its workers, than your hand full of dirt won't do much to put out the forest fire.
Answer? Almost impossible to find one. We have to replace the leadership and ensure fair laws, the CEQA is a good example, and stop giving money and taking money from those who are more responsible for the problem than we are. We have to do our small bit and combined that will help, but not stop the problem when so many others in the world don’t care. If we had a strong U.N. or even if we were still the leadership role in the world instead of a third rate banana republic we could help force change where volunteer change won’t happen. Or we could just have to get use to the fact that cockroaches will be then next superior life form on the planet.
CleverFox
Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 10:02:50 PM

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ScottFord wrote:
I think we all agree that Gore is full of shit.


No Scott Ford, we do not all agree to that.

As far as it being like throwing handfuls of dirt on a forest fire, there are 7 billion people on this planet. That would be a lot of dirt if we all carried are own weight, but then that has always been the problem no matter what kind of economic system you use.
WellMadeMale
Posted: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:11:36 AM

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WellMadeMale wrote:


Milankovitch cycles - Lemme Google that for you



Monocle wrote:
Very patronizing of you. But thanks. I first studied them more than 25 years ago.


You and I are experiencing a failure to clearly communicate, Monocle. I wasn't attempting to be patronizing towards you. I know better, plus I respect you much more than that. Was merely attempting to show you and anyone else reading this... how to check resources on this amazing internet.

WellMadeMale wrote:

For the Milankovitch theory to hold any weight with me, we'd have to see evidence of this orbital eccentricity going back for several million years... ice age cycles going back hundreds of millions of years instead of hundreds of thousands of years.

And as far as I am aware...

That's not been proven nor even explored.


Monocle wrote:
Then you are very, very unaware.


It has been 35 plus years since I studied any university geology classwork. But it has been recently (in the last three years) where I've discovered and read and then purchased the excellent research book authored by Michael Cremo: Forbidden Archeology. Now I understand that this sort of reading doesn't fit in with what you may consider to be main stream. It is certainly not, at all, that much is for certain - however... many people still believe the sun is a huge nuclear fission furnace. I choose to think it may be something else.
So unless you've bothered to investigate with curiosity (or perhaps you were unaware yourself), please refrain from your polite knockdowns towards me, pardner.

If 1000 Mensa members form a consensus and declare that jumping in front of a speeding subway train will alleviate your migraine headache, they may be correct in the short term however quite wrong in the long term.

WellMadeMale wrote:

Doesn't make you more wrong then me or me, more right than you.


Monocle wrote:
Actually, the geologic record makes you very much more wrong.


Dude... you need to do the reading up on topics which your apparently close minded mainstream scientific evidence, possibly professional experience/research/education - is skewing you towards.

There are all sorts of OOPARTS which have been unearthed over the last 100 years, which your mainstream geological record conveniently ignores because the established scientists and researchers who depend upon government & philanthropic grant money would quickly see those revenue streams dry up and disappear, were they to suddenly start voicing a possibly different scenario than that which has been erroneously published as evolving fact and theory for the last 200 years.

Again, investigate alternatives to what you have been force fed. You may decide (as I have) that perhaps you've been being treated like a mushroom. Kept in the dark and fed bullshit.

Monocle wrote:

Actually, the geologic record makes you very much more wrong.


Michael Cremo: Forbidden Archeology (where correct interpretation of existing geology is crucial)

The blue bits are URL hotlinks and not meant to be patronizing digs at anyone, Monocle. I would hope that you'd know me well enough to recognize when I'm attempting to deliver miniscule sarcasm, patronization and self-depracating humor. I have not yet with any of the three.

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Monocle
Posted: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:24:54 PM

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Sorry WMM, my science background is much more current than yours, and I personally know for fact just how wrong people like Cremo are. I have indeed bothered to 'investigate with curiosity'. I do it every day.

But here's at least one other informed review of Cremo: dot ramtops dot co.uk/tarzia.html

There is no grand conspiracy of geologists or cosmologists, or archaeologists. To even insinuate such a thing is laughable. If you had credible, verifiable evidence that would overturn longstanding theory, your career would be _made_. It's a scientific dream come true.

Science is not force fed. That's dogma you're describing. Just because someone doesn't, or refuses to understand it doesn't make it wrong. "Choosing to believe otherwise" is neither fact nor reality based.
Guest
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:27:19 AM

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This thread is about what are you personally doing to make your place in the world better. Do you collect air conditioning water in the summer and use it for your plants or for water for your pets?
WellMadeMale
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 8:54:45 AM

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Monocle wrote:
Sorry WMM, my science background is much more current than yours, and I personally know for fact just how wrong people like Cremo are. I have indeed bothered to 'investigate with curiosity'. I do it every day.

But here's at least one other informed review of Cremo: dot ramtops dot co.uk/tarzia.html

There is no grand conspiracy of geologists or cosmologists, or archaeologists. To even insinuate such a thing is laughable. If you had credible, verifiable evidence that would overturn longstanding theory, your career would be _made_. It's a scientific dream come true.

Science is not force fed. That's dogma you're describing. Just because someone doesn't, or refuses to understand it doesn't make it wrong. "Choosing to believe otherwise" is neither fact nor reality based.


Then please share with us (and me in particularly) what exactly your background is - in order for you to:

a) display some sense of credibility - (I realize this is the internet and you could claim to be a white paper writing scholar/professor of geology at a well recognized university in America or the UK)...but I'll take your word that you're not bullshitting anyone.

b) direct those of us who, unlike you, are in the dark when it comes to what we should be reading and learning about.

I doubt that there are very many people on this forum who can talk over my head when it comes to any topic loosely associated with science, Monocle... even you.

I've tried to keep our dialogue civil, and you - haven't. You're using very subtle sarcasm to continually attempt to skewer me into a corner with ridicule, while never once actually delivering any sense of credibility about yourself or what you are claiming.

Juvenile and far less than I expected from you.

Disappointing is another label which now sinks in.

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WellMadeMale
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 8:57:12 AM

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Buc wrote:
This thread is about what are you personally doing to make your place in the world better. Do you collect air conditioning water in the summer and use it for your plants or for water for your pets?


Reduce, reuse, recycle Buc... gawddamnit. What's so fucking hard to figure out about that mantra?

This thread is about a pat yourself on the back and don't break your arm while doing so.

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Guest
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:34:06 AM

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This thread is about taking personal responsibility for the way we decide to live on this blue marble.
Monocle
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 6:30:30 PM

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First, since this is Buc's thread, and this conversation is not what he asked for in his OP, this is my last post here on this digression.

WellMadeMale wrote:
Then please share with us (and me in particularly) what exactly your background is - in order for you to:


Sorry I probably can't oblige sufficiently. I'm Monocle here for a reason. I'll leave it at my degree is in a relevant field, and my experience is current. Given the nature of this forum, that's all I'm willing to say, and you can trust it or not.

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direct those of us who, unlike you, are in the dark when it comes to what we should be reading and learning about.


I'd start with sites like the american institute of physics climate page:
www dot aip dot org/history/climate/index.htm
and
realclimate dot org

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I've tried to keep our dialogue civil, and you - haven't. You're using very subtle sarcasm to continually attempt to skewer me into a corner with ridicule, while never once actually delivering any sense of credibility about yourself or what you are claiming.

I don't know if sarcasm is the right word. Certainly snippy, and perhaps even haughty. But I'll also admit to being flummoxed that someone like Cremo was being taken at all seriously. Kind of threw me for a loop. Your treatment of Milankovich essentially said you chose not to believe - or not to understand scientific evidence, so there's really not much I can do.

You think there's evidence of humanity dating back millions of years. You believe evidence of that and other things is suppressed by the mainstream. I won't be able to disabuse you of the notions. You think that cosy, high on the hog scientists are conspiring to create a crisis that doesn't exist to protect their lucrative grant moneys. Or in obeisance to some UN-influenced cabal. Such beliefs are bulletproof to facts and evidence.

Al Gore is not a scientist. He's an advocate, and he's a reasonable, if flawed ambassador about climate change. The ridicule of him in particular by denialists betrays a belief it's only or mainly about money or political power, and it's simply not.

You made quite a few assumptions about what I think and how I came to think it. I made none about your beliefs until you demonstrated them to me.

Therefore:

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Juvenile and far less than I expected from you.
Disappointing is another label which now sinks in.


I can live with your disappointment.
Kitanica
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 6:49:13 PM

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Science already supports it's not a natural cycle. And the only change that's occured in the last ten thousand years is man, were the factor that's changed, this isn't a cycle that's occurred over millions of years it's happening in a few hundred/ maybe thousand.

I don't recall ever learning about oceans acidifying naturally or ozone destroying itself soo..
CleverFox
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 8:20:03 PM

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To get this post back onto the original topic I want to say that I have made these changes in my life more because they save me money than to get some sort of pat on the back.

I use less gasoline by driving fuel efficient and well maintained vehicles. My heating bills are much lower because I have very efficient windows. My grocery bills are lower because I am eating less processed foods and more fresh complex carbohydrates.

I still enjoy a good steak but I have also found that I like tripe, liver and tongue as well. These cuts of meat are cheaper and they actually taste good. If you are thinking that these things may be gross or disgusting all I have to say is think how spoiled you are that you can be that choosy about the food that you eat.

I don't understand why people live to excess with no thought of how they will live when they retire.
Guest
Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:14:52 AM

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liver and tongue as well. These cuts of meat are cheaper and they actually taste good. If you are thinking that these things may be gross or disgusting all I have to say is think how spoiled you are that you can be that choosy about the food that you eat.

I don't understand why people live to excess with no thought of how they will live when they retire. "

I raise cattle and eat most all of the animal , heart and tongue are very good as is the liver. SO few people eat these parts or are sold that IF you have an animal processed my butcher will give me extras. I look to my retirement and as you have , look at the savings now that i can invest for later years.

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I have eaten tongue, liver and other internal organs, and if they're prepared right they are delicious. I have eaten sweetbreads as well, and also brains of different animals, calves, pigs and sheep. I've eaten parts of the pig that the pig would probably turn his nose up at, but it never occur ed to me that eating them was doing anything for the environment. I suppose it leaves less for the cat and dog food industry if I eat chitterlings and tripe. That just means more cereal is used in dog food than meat byproducts. If I eat munudo or haggis, am I really doing more for the environment than if I was eating a steak, ham or lamb chops? The main problem with meat production are the growing conditions of the animals we eat. Chicken houses are horrible. Cattle feed lots and commercial hog operations are filthy. Road kill and animal byproducts go into cattle and hog feed. Pasture raised pork tastes better, as does grass fed beef. On the other hand, the free range chicken operations that I've seen are jokes. Opening a door to a chicken house onto a small yard and calling it free range is corporate spin.

Getting more for the money is simple common sense economics. Driving a car that gets good gas mileage is better on the budget. Driving an electric car certainly would improve pollution from that particular car, but all energy comes from somewhere. Is the electricity generated by coal and gas energy plants cleaner than the emissions of automobiles? Does it make it environmentally better to run a car off energy generated by coal plants or nuclear energy.

My actual opinion, and I hope I'm wrong, is that it's too late for us to do anything about the environment. We've let self interest run wild too long, pumping fluorocarbons and excess carbon dioxide into the air, along with sulphur and other pollutants. Of course the earth itself pumps out things that aren't good for human beings to breathe, and there are cycles in climate that have nothing to do with human activity, but just breathing the air in the cities should prove to people that we're having an impact on things. I really don't think that there is anything we can do that will save the planet now.

I have a theory, based only on my own fevered imagination, that the date the Mayans gave was the latest day we could actually do something to save humanity. There has to be a cut off date somewhere, after all. We've let it go past without doing anything of significance to reverse things and now the earth is going to scratch us off like a bad case of fleas.

Richard Muller, a UC Berkeley physicist, who used to be a sceptic on global warming and climate change has come to the conclusion that not only is climate change taking place, but that it is mostly due to the amount of carbon dioxide we're pumping into the atmosphere. "Muller argued that the evidence from more than 36,000 temperature stations worldwide shows that the global thermometer has risen by 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit over the past 250 years. The warm-up began with the onset of the Industrial Revolution, Muller said, and has accelerated in recent years."

Read more: #ixzz2MnVNDZ1o

There are going to be higher temperatures, more heat waves, more ice melt, larger increases in ocean level, and famines. We can't even distribute food to all the people on earth now, what will we do when there's less food.

Gaia takes care of herself. The earth isn't here for people, no matter how arrogantly we believe that it was created for us. There have been times in human history when catastrophe has taken the human population to fewer than a thousand breeding pairs. Maybe we'll survive this, and maybe not, but I doubt very much that driving a hybrid rather than a gas guzzler is going to make much difference a this point.

I do recommend eating tongue though. Brains and eggs are good too, if you can get past the thought. Menudo is delicious. Haggis, not so much.
Monocle
Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:45:39 PM

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CoopsRuthie, more people doing more things, big and little, can make things better - or at the very least help prevent things from getting as bad as they could. Governments can also do big things, if the people behind them can see a reason for doing so.

You're right that at this point a certain momentum has been reached and negative effects are unavoidable, and some are likely to be tragic. It's still within our power and self interest to mitigate the worst.
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Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:40:28 PM

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I'm waiting for the Government to tell us that since they won't do anything with the big companies who are marking sizable donations to the congressman, they want us to stop having sex.
Some scientist will claim that when two women go at it, we are throwing off more carbon dioxide than a coal factory.
Guest
Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:44:15 PM

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Some scientist will claim that when two women go at it, we are throwing off more carbon dioxide than a coal factory. "

Well I would be there to watch and record the finding of the ladies making love, i would however leave the other part to others.
Guest
Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:46:42 PM

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A cool site for a look see at the US Drought

www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/prelim/drought/pdiimage.html

Palmer Drought Index
Ruthie
Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2013 4:58:50 PM

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Monocle wrote:
CoopsRuthie, more people doing more things, big and little, can make things better - or at the very least help prevent things from getting as bad as they could. Governments can also do big things, if the people behind them can see a reason for doing so.

You're right that at this point a certain momentum has been reached and negative effects are unavoidable, and some are likely to be tragic. It's still within our power and self interest to mitigate the worst.


I know that there are lots of things that people can do as individuals to lower their own output of carbon dioxide. Using less energy in general, buying more efficient appliances and automobiles, and turning down the air-conditioning and the heat will save money and reduce the amount of your personal footprint. Compact fluorescent light (CFL) bulbs use 70% less energy than incandescent bulbs. They cost more, but they also last longer.

Some people are already doing those things. I am. Lots of Lushies are. Lots and lots of people aren't doing a thing and won't do anything no matter what happens. Corporate shills are going to block any legislation that might help save the planet. Deniers are going to deny it's actually happening, environmental activists are going to insist that it is, and eventually people are going to start dying off in sufficient numbers to alarm the public and maybe some legislation will pass that might have saved the world if it had passed in time, but it won't have.

China burns half the coal burned in the world. From what I understand the air in Beijing is practically unbreathable. Does anyone think China is going to give up it's economic progress without a fight?

It would be nice to think that something will happen in time to save us, and some of us might actually live through this, but by some of us I mean the wealthy few who have prepared for their own survival and the number of personal guards and servants that they feel they need. Most of us are going to die.

People will be denying global warming and climate change right to the end. We aren't some kind of super species, we're animals who have over bred and have wrecked our environment. Nothing I've read in human history or current events gives me any hope that we will do any better than we ever have.

The best estimate of how long we have that I have seen is that we have from between 2015 and 2020 to radically reduce carbon emissions. Do you see anyone actually taking steps to do that? What you hear is "Drill baby drill." People get attacked for driving Chevy Volts. http://news.investors.com/blogs-click/111612-633767-chevy-volt-owners-attacked.htm

As a whole, people aren't peaceful gentle creatures. We're going to kill each other for water and food. By 2100, unless things are totally turned around, it's going to be hotter than it was in the time of the dinosaurs. How many more natural disasters can our economy handle? The Republicans will go on blocking anything Obama proposes at least until 1916. Fox news will go on lying and shilling for corporate ownership of the country. If something is going to be done it has to be done by everyone, not just a few of us. Other species are going to go extinct as well. The earth will survive without us or them.

In the late 20th century, the computer models showed that the Larson B ice shelf was going to be stable for a thousand years. It collapsed in 2002. Everything from increasing temperatures to ocean levels are exceeding the models. It's probably going to speed up. It's certainly not going to slow down because I have a tongue sandwich for lunch instead of roast beef.
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2013 2:28:57 PM

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Very good point on China and other not so econ friendly nations,, they will act in the best interest of their people, just like the US Does. It is up to each of us to do our part to be good stewards of the land we control.

I am an idealist.
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:10:36 PM

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Buc wrote:
DO you believe it is first more then just cyclical and 2ndly is it Man Made ?


yes i believe it is cyclical and no i don't believe man made, but maybe speed up by man's pollution. in saying that when trees become old they start to release carbon dioxide and less oxygen therefore are the natural pollution to start the situation...

Buc wrote:
IF you believe it is man made or we are contributing what are you or have you done to stop it on an individual level.


I walk to work and everywhere i can rather then drive. i ensure i conserve my power. I recycle and i try not to use plastic if i have an alternative that is reusable. i hate plastic.. so tried of hearing about the plastic bag and bottle island in the sea that no one is cleaning up due to the mass of cost. it is also bigger then the country i live in. and you see the pics of the marine animals hurt, whales suffocated by plastic bags etc...i wish man would just get rid of the plastic (she types on her plastic laptop...well shit).

Buc wrote:
Not looking for a political debate or how your vote for some one to do something on your behalf.


[color=yellow]My country is run by dickheads but we all seem to believe in the greener New Zealand. In Saying that because we are nuclear free and won't allow Nuclear run ships in our harbours..we are penalized by the USA...short memories them USA officials..they forget our help in W11..and as we don't have any minerals they want...we have sanctions against us..stupid stupid America political dickheads.

[color=green]one more thing i would like to add. My son at 4 years old quote'' (i believe we the Human Race are extent...We just don't realize it..


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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:06:50 PM

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CoopsRuthie wrote:

China burns half the coal burned in the world. From what I understand the air in Beijing is practically unbreathable. Does anyone think China is going to give up it's economic progress without a fight?


And they know that they have a very big problem there with pollution and that is why they are on a crash wind power program right now.

It really isn't that difficult to deal with the carbon load of power generation. The capital costs are actually modest next to nuclear. First off, incandescent lightbulbs are about 10% of power use. That is going to be all but eliminated by LEDs which are 95% more efficient, give any type of light you like and never need replacement.

I replaced all my lightbulbs with LEDs and saved a fortune. Its not just the electricity for the bulb, its the fact that I don't have to run the AC to get rid of the heat again in summer.

LEDs are potentially cheaper to make, the cost comes from the fact that the infrastructure is a hundred years old and built around incandescents.

London is starting to replace the buses with hydrogen powered, next they will do the taxis. Its actually cheaper to run them than on petrol, its the low volume that makes them expensive.

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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:18:31 PM

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This is even more depressing than the gun nut rants.
What is it people are afraid of in the truth?
How can they expend so much effort running from reality?
Conspiracy theories my ass. Grow a pair.

More and more, in all of these issues, it seems to be about denying responsibility.

Of course Global Warming is real and obviously it's man-made.
Denying that obvious, inescapable truth is evil.
What we're willing to our grandchildren is evil.
What we're doing to the planet is immoral.

We can't blame this one on Aspergers Syndrome.
Global Warming is entirely our fault.
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Man made climate change is as phony as a $3 bill, not only that but there are relatively cheap and highly effective ways to deal with all the problems they say we are doing but they wont implement them cuz they want us to pay carbon tax and they want us to think we are bad. They are the ones that are doing the climate change with their chemtrails and HARRP.

The impact to climate change that we are doing is miniscule to what nature does, and if there were no humans on the planet it wouldnt make much of a difference.

The Canadians made a scrubber that pulls the carbon from CO2 right out of the air, the scrubber can take out the carbon from 10 coal fired electric plants and uses only one tenth the power from one of those plants. Thats just one example of the things they wont implement.

Remember, we are not the bad guys, they are.

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Buz
Posted: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:15:03 PM

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It sure is cold. It's spring in Atlanta and snowflakes fell today.

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Ruthie
Posted: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:13:50 PM

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Oberon wrote:


Of course Global Warming is real and obviously it's man-made.
Denying that obvious, inescapable truth is evil.
What we're willing to our grandchildren is evil.
What we're doing to the planet is immoral.

We can't blame this one on Aspergers Syndrome.
Global Warming is entirely our fault.
Kitanica
Posted: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:02:18 AM

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Location: The Sprawl, United States
To the op, yes global warming is real and it's our fault for the damage done to the environment as I've never seen evidence that shows otherwise.
Animals don't naturally go extinct in the span of decades, forests don't die, oceans don't turn to acid, and ozone doesn't disappear on it's own...

Ever heard of a thylacine? no?

To buz on temperature, these natural cycles your speaking of don't happen in periods of 100years. Yes the earth warms and cools we know that.
Though one of your links says in a few thousand years a change of 5-10 degrees, so why are we pushing a degree already in 100years? That doesn't follow any natural cycle anyones shown in their research on any side of the argument online or in real life that I've ever seen.


lafayettemister
Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:05:52 AM

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Climate paradox; as more Arctic ice melts, Antartica's ice expands at record rate









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Monocle
Posted: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:43:32 PM

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False

www dot skepticalscience dot com/arctic-antarctic-sea-ice.htm
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