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DanielleX
Posted: Monday, May 27, 2013 3:21:55 AM

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An openly lesbian US President or an openly lesbian UK Prime Minister?

I think it will be the President, as the Americans are more open to these things.



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Rembacher
Posted: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:36:27 AM

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Are there any openly lesbian governors, or whatever the British equivalent would be? To me, that's the first step. In Ontario we currently have an openly lesbian premier, and if people get used to that, we might one day have an openly lesbian (or gay) prime minister.
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Posted: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:34:15 AM

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I find it hard to believe Americans are any more open minded than the next country.



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Magical_felix wrote:
I find it hard to believe Americans are any more open minded than the next country.


This. Considering all the hell Obama got for just being black, imagine the heat that's gonna come down on the candidate for being gay or lesbian.

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Posted: Monday, May 27, 2013 12:07:57 PM

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This. Considering all the hell Obama got for just being black, imagine the heat that's gonna come down on the candidate for being gay or lesbian.


We couldn't even legalize gay marriage in california. Just like no candidate will ever have legalizing pot and taxing it as part of their campaign platform, something that makes tons of sense. No candidate will run for the presidency while being openly gay. They might come out afterword when they are all old and not in politics anymore. Like if they write a book, they will come out for the publicity or something but they never will while running for presidency.

Most intelligent people will not vote for someone simply because they are gay but many stupid people will definitely not vote for someone because they are gay. Makes no sense if you are trying to win an election. Just like obama and being black.



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Posted: Monday, May 27, 2013 2:18:30 PM

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The later. I'm just waiting for the atheist no matter which persuassion so we can cut out a lot of bullshit and deal with reality.
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Posted: Monday, May 27, 2013 5:35:47 PM

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I'm not sure which will come first, mostly because I know very little about UK politics or society. What I do know is that eventually it will come. As opposed to eras past, when it was a hopeful hypothetical, at this point we know that the tide is turning the right way. Sooner or later, we'll get there. Four years ago, zero states allowed same-sex marriage. As of today, twelve do.
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Rembacher wrote:
In Ontario we currently have an openly lesbian premier, and if people get used to that, we might one day have an openly lesbian (or gay) prime minister.


And, even better, it doesn't seem to be a big deal for most people save the LGBT community and their opponents. She's taking a lot of heat politically and in the press but it's mostly for the policies and behaviour of her predecessor's cabinet, of which she was a part. Her orientation hasn't been mentioned that much (that I've noticed) since she won the leadership and even in the leadership campaign it didn't seem to be that big of an issue.


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Jinxy
Posted: Friday, July 26, 2013 7:40:22 PM

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DanielleX wrote:
An openly lesbian US President or an openly lesbian UK Prime Minister?

I think it will be the President, as the Americans are more open to these things.


I think we need to first get a female President, before even thinking of getting one who might be lesbian.

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Posted: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:00:18 PM

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Gay Marriage is now legal in the u.k, so I wouldn't think it would be that far away over here.
















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Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:04:56 AM

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Jinxy wrote:


I think we need to first get a female President, before even thinking of getting one who might be lesbian.


So much this. Thinking the US never had a female president makes you wonder if they'll have a female-lesbian one in the next 100 years.



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Being a Canadian, my opinion likely doesn't matter ... as stated above, our Ontario Premier is a lesbian ...I believe, because Canada is such a melting pot of diversity; race, religion, sexual orientation - it's a non-issue. For us, it's all about who's willing to take on the role and best to be a success at the job.

I think Jinxy has it right for the US:

Jinxy wrote:
I think we need to first get a female President, before even thinking of getting one who might be lesbian.


In my opinion .... The UK has had Margaret Thatcher (love her or hate her is irrelevant) - so the UK is one step closer to having an openly gay/lesbian as Prime Minister.




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Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:29:15 PM

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I just want to have a competent president in the US. The last 2 certainly don't fit that bill. I guess Bill was the last one. It looks like Obama's Hope & Change meant, "I hope to change into George W. Bush" because he almost has.

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Highwayman wrote:
The later. I'm just waiting for the atheist no matter which persuassion so we can cut out a lot of bullshit and deal with reality.


I think we'll have an openly gay president before we have an openly atheist president. Politicians who don't believe in God are deep in the closet still, while lesbians and gay men have been serving in public office openly for some time. Too many U. S. citizens identify themselves as religious for an atheist to have much of a chance at getting a nomination from either of the major parties.

My guess is that the UK will have an openly lesbian Prime Minister before the USA does. I don't really have any rational reason to believe that, but I do. It will be hard for a woman to be elected president even if she is straight. An openly gay man wouldn't have much of a chance of getting a nomination from either of the two major parties either. It takes too much money to get elected, and the big money always goes to the person who's perceived as electable. Gays and lesbians, along with atheists and socialists, aren't considered electable so just getting the money to start a campaign would be nearly impossible.

And that's even if we still had free elections.



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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:35:37 AM

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PersonalAssistant wrote:
Being a Canadian, my opinion likely doesn't matter ... as stated above, our Ontario Premier is a lesbian ...I believe, because Canada is such a melting pot of diversity; race, religion, sexual orientation - it's a non-issue. For us, it's all about who's willing to take on the role and best to be a success at the job.

I think Jinxy has it right for the US:

Jinxy wrote:
I think we need to first get a female President, before even thinking of getting one who might be lesbian.


In my opinion .... The UK has had Margaret Thatcher (love her or hate her is irrelevant) - so the UK is one step closer to having an openly gay/lesbian as Prime Minister.


First of all - your opinion does matter. :) Everyone's does.

Second of all - I think you're right. Honestly I think after having a black President, it's going to be a whole lot harder to get a female one. I truly think that everyone dislikes Obama, even though he was elected twice. American's are afraid of change, so we reelect the same President, even if we don't like him. Ya know, kinda like Bush.

I'm thinking without knowing a whole lot about the UK government that they'll have am openly lesbian Prime Minster before we have a lesbian President.
I just hope to be around to ever see us American's have a female President, lesbian or not.

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Posted: Thursday, August 01, 2013 3:17:24 PM

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A good question and one that is closer to to call than perhaps it might appear at first glance. True, the UK were first to have a female PM but we were by no means first in the World (or even close to being first) in that regard. More importantly, we (in the UK) do have openly gay/lesbian Members of Parliament and I know if this is also true of the equivalent in the US Government. So things are moving , albeit slowly, in the right direction.

These things are only achieved through the passing of time and the patient work of all individuals who promote equality throughout their lives. The driving force ultimately, however, will be the people of a country, not the government. When a majority of the people are ready to accept then the time will, eventually, come.

I would suggest that the USA, as a predominately conservative (with a small 'c') country would appear to be second favourite against the UK but I would also suggest neither will achieve it any time soon. Despite huge advances in the acceptance of those of alternative sexual persuasions we are still a long way away from that day.

The more liberal and open-minded countries of the World are far more likely to have a lesbian or homosexual Premier than either the USA or UK. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, The Netherlands and Canada (in the western World) would all seem to be more likely candidates.

In the end though, the most important issue is whether any individual elected to such high office, is worthy of the position.
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Hopefully one that can do the job properly instead.
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DanielleX wrote:
An openly lesbian US President or an openly lesbian UK Prime Minister?

I think it will be the President, as the Americans are more open to these things.


Prime miniser. The US is not at a point where women are supported widely enough in roles of government to where gender - let alone sexuality - isn't an issue. The concept of a female political figure in the region of Europe or UK isn new or unheard of.

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Jinxy wrote:


I think we need to first get a female President, before even thinking of getting one who might be lesbian.


Totally agree, but hey we are close we at least had one as a running mate in the Election and one run in the primaries...But to be honest America is just not ready for a female, yet...

We can bitch and bitch about it, but look at history, it takes a while.

And who are we kidding, The US would be turned upside down and fixed all in 4 years, because when the right woman gets in there, she is gonna set the world on fire........giggles

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TxPrincess wrote:


Totally agree, but hey we are close we at least had one as a running mate in the Election and one run in the primaries...But to be honest America is just not ready for a female, yet...

We can bitch and bitch about it, but look at history, it takes a while.

And who are we kidding, The US would be turned upside down and fixed all in 4 years, because when the right woman gets in there, she is gonna set the world on fire........giggles

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One thing that makes a difference in the UK and Canada versus the US is how our parliamentary system works.

One can become prime minister (or a provincial premier) simply by being chosen leader of the governing party. No need to actually face a general election. That's what happened with Kathleen Wynne, the lesbian premier in Ontario. Her predecessor couldn't face the heat and got out of the kitchen so her party chose her as the successor. She won't actually face a public general election until this spring at the earliest.

Our one and only female prime minister was the same. She was chosen to lead her party (the Progressive Conservatives which are now subsumed into the Conservative Party of Canada) after her predecessor retired so became PM. When she actually faced a general election, she got her butt kicked (not altogether her fault, though, since it was her predecessor's policies and practices that caused much of the damage).

Whereas, in the US, the only way to become president without facing an election is to be VP and have your President die or resign.

So, I would say that an openly LGBT PM is more likely in the UK or Canada because a party could well choose one without facing an election. But, for one to be elected in a proper general election, I'm not sure they are any more likely than the US. We'll know after the next Ontario general election.



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I'd settle for a US president who wasn't firmly in the grasp of capitalists. I don't care what sex or sexual proclivities that person has.

I really don't even give a shit if he or she chooses to have sex in the oval office with one of the aides.

Just run the fucking country, end the wars, and fix the broken economy, and I'll be happy as a clam in a mudflat.

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same here but please still do not hurt our veterans and soldiers by cutting their money or benefits. Along with do not hold their paychecks or people on social security checks hostage to save money or shut downs
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BY "fix the economy" I didn't mean starve those of us on fixed incomes out of existence, and I didn't mean "balance the budget" on the backs of the military, or the poor or veterans. What I had in mind was something far more radical - tax the usurers, and tax the stock, and oil, wheat, corn and other "futures" gamblers. Tax both their income gains (as pure income, not some "value added" or "capital gain income") and place a sales tax on shares, based not on the number of shares traded, but on the amount paid for those shares. And if shares are bartered, tax the barter with the assumption that each share is equal to the average value of all shares on the market during that twenty four hour period. Remove tax exemptions for mortgages. Remove tax exemptions for "investments". Provide single payer medical insurance, including dental, vision and hearing. Standardize motor vehicle laws, registration, enforcement and penalties. Remove all "no-fault" insurance laws for motor vehicle accidents. Require insurers to replace totaled vehicles in kind, not simply make a payment based on some arbitrary "value" which drops to zero after ten years. In other words, if someone is driving a rust-free, dent-free automobile that happens to be ten or more years old, do not penalize him for taking care of his purchase, instead of wasting everything necessary to provide himself with a new vehicle every few years. Those are the kinds of things I mean when I say, "fix the economy".

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wasn't it Liverpool that elected a lesbian lady mayor???

if she was any good then the UK.. I think .. if ever .. the UK



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