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CharlotteRusse1
Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:50:27 PM

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I haven't been on the site for a bit and I've noticed that some authors have set it up so that you can't rate stories without adding a comment. Are the ratings associated with the comments? I don't bother to rate unless I like a story, but I don't want people getting offended with me if I give them a "4" instead of a "5". As a result, I haven't rated stories that demand comments for a "4" rating. I think if others are as cowardly as I am, then it may skew story scores.

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nicola
Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:54:11 PM

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If you head to your settings, you will see this option:

Comment on Score - A comment must be given when my stories are scored

Some people think this will help get them more comments.

Personally, I don't like it at all. I won't bother leaving a score if I'm forced to comment.

I'm considering scrapping the option.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:57:39 PM

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i think people who do this usually get less votes then they would otherwise - honestly, i usually leave a comment first and then a score - if i happen to go to vote and it forces me to comment, which i've already done, i just skip it. i find it, personally, annoying. Oh, and this is speaking as a prolific writer.

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nicola
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:09:12 AM

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Should we put it to the vote?

I find it annoying too.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:26:21 AM

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I'm of the opinion that if someone is precious enough to insist on a comment, he or she certainly isn't going to like it when I explain exactly why I gave them a 3. Maybe it stops 2-bombing, but I'm sure these stories are missing out on a lot more 5s than 2s.

All that said, I rarely, if ever, vote.

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Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:26:56 AM

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nicola wrote:
Should we put it to the vote?



will we be forced to comment if we do?clown

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Milik_Redman
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:40:58 AM

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I use this option because I've been the victim in the past of hostile voting. That said, I've only just this past 24 hours become aware of how much others are annoyed by the practice. I must admit, even now I can't think of a valid reason why anyone would care how others moderate their own stories.

That said, Scoring to me means far less than the comments i receive and I only re enabled it because without scoring an authors name doesn't appear in the top authors of the month list. When I disallowed it, my views plummeted as soon as the story dropped off the front page.

That said, I'm weary from the earlier confrontation i had on this issue. If we scrap the comment to vote option, I'll be fine with the decision. Considering how angered some members are getting over this, it's probably unavoidable.

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clum
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:47:25 AM

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But no, even the forced commenting doesn't allow the author to see which score you gave. I think that was your question, right?

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Milik_Redman
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:56:35 AM

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clum wrote:
But no, even the forced commenting doesn't allow the author to see which score you gave. I think that was your question, right?


Not precisely it doesn't, but as it happens I just received a 4 on Myra's song. The comment was that it was too long and he lost interest. As I received an email telling me a vote was casts and it had received all 5's to that point, I knew by default what he voted. I sent him a thank you for letting me know what he didn't like. He shouldn't be called out for voting his mind, it's just nice to know why he felt that way.

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clum
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:22:52 AM

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Milik_The_Red wrote:
Not precisely it doesn't, but as it happens I just received a 4 on Myra's song. The comment was that it was too long and he lost interest. As I received an email telling me a vote was casts and it had received all 5's to that point, I knew by default what he voted. I sent him a thank you for letting me know what he didn't like. He shouldn't be called out for voting his mind, it's just nice to know why he felt that way.


Well, yeah; with Timeline notifications, you can usually work out what score someone gave you if you're keeping track of your average. But that's true whether or not there is forced commenting.

A "4" will usually not come with a negative/constructive comment, in my experience. And why should it? Four is a good score.

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Milik_Redman
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:27:26 AM

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clum wrote:


Well, yeah; with Timeline notifications, you can usually work out what score someone gave you if you're keeping track of your average. But that's true whether or not there is forced commenting.

A "4" will usually not come with a negative/constructive comment, in my experience. And why should it? Four is a good score.


Agreed, and I had no issue with it. I just pointed it out because it was topical.

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Guest
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:21:57 AM

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I don't care if we don't have the option.... I don't even score if I'm forced to comment. I DO change my setting so that only members can vote though. Before I did that, I got a one on a poem that everyone else gave a four or five to. confused5
Liz
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:43:31 AM

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trinket wrote:
I don't care if we don't have the option.... I don't even score if I'm forced to comment. I DO change my setting so that only members can vote though. Before I did that, I got a one on a poem that everyone else gave a four or five to. confused5


I didn't actually know that non-members could vote on stories.
You learn something every day.
I too have disabled this.


Coco
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:46:47 AM

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I don't like forced commenting, but I noticed people that use it normally get very high scores and tons of platitudes as a result of the option. Should we remove an option that some have grown used to employing? Will it create an outcry like the recommended read symbol?

For the record, I like comments and I thank those that do.

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Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:41:14 AM

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With respect to Nic and all the other folks who dislike forced commenting, my question is, why? If a writer is more interested in comments than votes, why not let them have the FC option? If it annoys some readers, they can either: 1. not vote or, 2. leave a short, neutral comment such as 'interesting story'.

Bottom line: if Nic thinks the option is harmful to the site, then pull the plug...otherwise,, in the immortal words of John (or was it Paul?), let it be.

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Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:54:18 PM

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I dislike the forced comments because I am the type that typically comments first and then scores. I've had many times where this has forced me to then copy & paste my original posted comment and then go back and score and paste in the comment and post again and then delete the initial comment. A few too many steps, in my opinion, for what it's worth. I've seen many people just leave their double-posted comments up when that kind of thing happens as well. And really - you don't know a certain writer's habits until it's too late. I suppose I can just try to alter my own habit to *always* vote first, but that's kind of a work in progress.

Really it's up to the author to decide, but they should be aware that many readers aren't verbose commenters or have the time to think up something in-depth, constructive or witty to say. Hitting the vote button is their way of giving a nod to the quality of the story. I just don't see the benefits of forcing them to say "great job" on top of it. These non-commenter type readers are unlikely to take the forced-comments option to heart and sit down and write up some stellar, constructive or complex thoughts about your writing... so really in my opinion, it just forces those types to drop the "loved it" or "good story" throwaway comments. It kinda defeats its purpose. The people who like giving feedback will give it anyway. The ones that don't are likely to avoid scoring altogether or will toss you the obligatory two-word pat on the back - not necessarily because your writing inspired them to - but because you made them say something.


clum
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:34:58 PM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
These non-commenter type readers are unlikely to take the forced-comments option to heart and sit down and write up some stellar, constructive or complex thoughts about your writing... so really in my opinion, it just forces those types to drop the "loved it" or "good story" throwaway comments. It kinda defeats its purpose. The people who like giving feedback will give it anyway. The ones that don't are likely to avoid scoring altogether or will toss you the obligatory two-word pat on the back - not necessarily because your writing inspired them to - but because you made them say something.


Exactly. It doesn't increase the number of constructive comments. People who want to give you some useful feedback will do so without being forced.

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She
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:46:33 PM

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I know we have option for non members to vote on our work, mine is always on..My question is if it would be posible to maybe have the same option for guests of the site to leave comments as well? I it is unlikely that lots of guests read poetry, but still it would be quite interesting for me to see those comments.
As far goes for the forced comments, they dont bother me, I do leave comment, forced one but usually skipping author in the future.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:59:13 PM

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If a story grabs me enough to score it, I will likely comment as well so the forced commenting doesn't bother me. Though I will concede that sometimes I score and then take some time to think about what to write in the comment so having the comment box pop up like that makes me feel a bit rushed to say something. That's not a big deal or a problem for me, though.

I don't turn it on myself so I wouldn't miss it if it was gone but it's presence doesn't me. Put me down as a "meh".


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trinket wrote:
I don't care if we don't have the option.... I don't even score if I'm forced to comment. I DO change my setting so that only members can vote though. Before I did that, I got a one on a poem that everyone else gave a four or five to. confused5


and i feel bad about that, but i thought it was going to be about unicorns and i felt really let down when i found out it wasn't Embarassed

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clum
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:54:59 PM

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She wrote:
I know we have option for non members to vote on our work, mine is always on..My question is if it would be posible to maybe have the same option for guests of the site to leave comments as well? I it is unlikely that lots of guests read poetry, but still it would be quite interesting for me to see those comments.


I would like this, too.

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Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:12:58 PM

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She wrote:
I know we have option for non members to vote on our work, mine is always on..My question is if it would be posible to maybe have the same option for guests of the site to leave comments as well? I it is unlikely that lots of guests read poetry, but still it would be quite interesting for me to see those comments.


Just an educated guess but...

I'm pretty sure that allowing non-members to leave story comments would leave the site vulnerable to spam.
Those message fields are prone to automated scripts that dump all sorts of crap on the site advertising everything from Viagra to fake Nike trainers.
A 'Captcha' system would likely need to be implemented to counter this:



Possibly the reason this has not been considered previously?


nicola
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:13:44 PM

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Anonymous commenting was trialled here, it was a disaster. When people aren't accountable for their actions, you know the rest...plus the spam issue.
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nicola wrote:

I'm considering scrapping the option.


I strongly believe you should keep the option...I happen to know a number of writers post their stories with the FC option off, and then turn it on after they get on the Top Author list, or whatever it's called here, as a deterrent from people coming along and giving anonymous low scores and knocking them off the list...and yeah, it think it works to some extent anyway...

I think having more options, as far as how their stories are scored and commented is always a good thing...you can always point out the option next time someone complains about anonymous low scores...

And whoever suggested Captcha should be taken out back and shot...oh was that you Liz? I'm sorry, only kidding...evil4


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Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:50:35 PM

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Milik_The_Red wrote:
I use this option because I've been the victim in the past of hostile voting. That said, I've only just this past 24 hours become aware of how much others are annoyed by the practice. I must admit, even now I can't think of a valid reason why anyone would care how others moderate their own stories.

That said, Scoring to me means far less than the comments i receive and I only re enabled it because without scoring an authors name doesn't appear in the top authors of the month list. When I disallowed it, my views plummeted as soon as the story dropped off the front page.

That said, I'm weary from the earlier confrontation i had on this issue. If we scrap the comment to vote option, I'll be fine with the decision. Considering how angered some members are getting over this, it's probably unavoidable.


This is me. I have had the same problem, and have been told by many mods to keep it on forced commenting. I've had this since my first story when I had issues. I'd not want it gone given how much crap I've been through with ass-hats. And enough people know I've had issues with them.

I do pretty damn well with comments/scores having it put on forced. Okay, sure MAYBE I might get more, but you don't see me complaining about having what I do. I don't want the choice to have my forced comment to a score taken from me. I'm sure the ones who have forced commenting on, would agree. We have it for a reason.

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Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:53:21 PM

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nicola wrote:
Anonymous commenting was trialled here, it was a disaster. When people aren't accountable for their actions, you know the rest...plus the spam issue.


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Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:07:25 PM

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Seems there's a little resistance to the scrapping of the forced commenting feature.

I gather some people would go further and want to be able to choose which scores they'd like comments to be forced on? I can't help but think that would cause more scoring bias. If people are forced to comment on a 1 or 2 score for example, then someone who doesn't want to leave a comment, is either not going to vote it a 1 or 2 (maybe a 3 instead), or simply not vote at all. That's not going to help the author long term, it will artificially keep their scores higher than they should be.

Random thought - it would be good to have the option to turn commenting on / off, and voting on / off, at story level, rather than across the board.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:38:01 PM

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nicola wrote:
Seems there's a little resistance to the scrapping of the forced commenting feature.

I gather some people would go further and want to be able to choose which scores they'd like comments to be forced on? I can't help but think that would cause more scoring bias. If people are forced to comment on a 1 or 2 score for example, then someone who doesn't want to leave a comment, is either not going to vote it a 1 or 2 (maybe a 3 instead), or simply not vote at all. That's not going to help the author long term, it will artificially keep their scores higher than they should be.

Random thought - it would be good to have the option to turn commenting on / off, and voting on / off, at story level, rather than across the board.


I think that is what 1ball is after.

Buz
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:38:30 PM

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Someone like me, often has to correct what they type a lot and in the 'forced voting box' that is not an option, so I have to scrap it and start completely over. I have become frustrated and not commented/voted at all.

I experimented with the 'forced voting' on my stories. My scores were pretty much the same, the amount of comments was about the same, but total votes were way down. So I scrapped using it.

I like what you mentioned Nicola, about giving the author, the voting on/off and commenting on/off option on a story by story basis, rather than across the board. I think that would be a good option.

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nicola wrote:
Seems there's a little resistance to the scrapping of the forced commenting feature.

I gather some people would go further and want to be able to choose which scores they'd like comments to be forced on? I can't help but think that would cause more scoring bias. If people are forced to comment on a 1 or 2 score for example, then someone who doesn't want to leave a comment, is either not going to vote it a 1 or 2 (maybe a 3 instead), or simply not vote at all. That's not going to help the author long term, it will artificially keep their scores higher than they should be.

Random thought - it would be good to have the option to turn commenting on / off, and voting on / off, at story level, rather than across the board.


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