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Mazza
Posted: Sunday, November 03, 2013 2:42:57 PM

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Given the number of times that the swastika has been mentioned in this thread, I thought it fitting to share a link to a programme the BBC showed...

The Story Of The Swastika

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In the week when Hindus celebrate the holy festival of Diwali, this documentary tells the story of one of their faith's most sacred symbols - the swastika.

For many, the swastika has become a symbol synonymous with the Nazis and fascism. But this film reveals the fascinating and complex history of an emblem that is, in fact, a religious symbol, with a sacred past.

For the almost one billion Hindus around the world, the swastika lies at the heart of religious practices and beliefs, as an emblem of benevolence, luck and good fortune.


Just thought it might bring a bit of positivity to the thread...

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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2013 1:40:20 PM

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Mazza wrote:

Just thought it might bring a bit of positivity to the thread...





knock that shit off - what is wrong with you, anyway? :)
Mazza
Posted: Monday, November 04, 2013 2:15:46 PM

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sprite wrote:


knock that shit off - what is wrong with you, anyway? :)


I just... well... I hate it when mummy and daddy fight

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Can't we just all get along??

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curious3045
Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 9:13:17 AM

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This thread is amazing for me to follow. There is so much passion in the opinions one would think that we all lived through the Civil War era ourselves. Luckily we didn't and we have what is left of the results here in the US. While I am a firm believer that the war was won by the group with the correct moral values I do not want to fight with anyone. Just point out that what we think about what happened, why it happened, for what reasons, hell even about whatever topics with the flag that have recently happened, we should remember that all the arguments are about the past. Let it go, as Americans the sooner we focus on the here, now, present and future, the sooner our country begins to move in the correct direction. In my humble opinions d'oh!
lemanruss
Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:31:07 PM

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naughtynurse wrote:


Obviously you've not spent time in either the country or the south. That flag doesn't mean burning crosses or slavery. What that flag stands for is things other people don't even realize they are missing.

It stands for working hard in the sun, sweating to get a job done. (Or freezing depending on the weather. The point is not letting circumstances get in the way of what must get done) it stands for Sunday mornings spent in church. It stands for slow cooked beans with greens and ham. It stands for real biscuits, made with butter and buttermilk. It stands for Saturday nights mudding and trashing the truck you spent Saturday cleaning. It stands for time spent with your dogs and your buddies in the woods. And Mondays spent in the sun again. It's hard work and traditions.

Most of all it's pride in yourself, your family, your friends, and your home.

I don't see that as wrong.

I might not agree with him politically. Hell I disagree with both sides. But I understand that he loves his family, his friends, his home, and his way of life.


Very well said. A lifetime of hearing opinions by those from Away who know nothing of which they speak, and they wonder why we still call them "damn Yankees"?

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Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:33:02 PM

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lemanruss wrote:


Very well said. A lifetime of hearing opinions by those from Away who know nothing of which they speak, and they wonder why we still call them "damn Yankees"?



Away is a real place?
lemanruss
Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:36:49 PM

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LadyX wrote:


Away is a real place?


Bless your heart, it's likely where you're from if you aren't familiar with the term.

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Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:38:54 PM

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LOL it would appear so. Carry on.
Magical_felix
Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:42:08 PM

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LadyX wrote:


Away is a real place?


Yes and they don't take kindly to people like you in not-away. Yoouuu, you city slicker you.



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Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:50:20 PM

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Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:56:43 PM

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Lol!
hillbillyfucker
Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:23:09 PM

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Magical_felix wrote:


How did you come up with that?




U.S. Marine corp. 90% of the people im around day in and day out are rednecks, race has no place when it comes to rednecks. If u want to judge what i said, try asking bout my background first.
Magical_felix
Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 4:39:13 AM

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hillbillyfucker wrote:




U.S. Marine corp. 90% of the people im around day in and day out are rednecks, race has no place when it comes to rednecks. If u want to judge what i said, try asking bout my background first.


You sound incredibly stupid.



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Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:32:47 PM

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Magical_felix wrote:


You sound incredibly stupid.


and u sound like a dumbass without an open mind
Ajax
Posted: Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:58:32 PM

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PersonalAssistant wrote:


I have been reading this thread with great interest. When TxPrincess started on about her views/beliefs .... I sat back and wondered .... is that how people are in Texas (and other "Southern" areas of the USA)??

I have been flabbergasted at this. I am a foreigner (Canadian) and "thought" that the confederate flag was a symbol of the KKK and those who believe in their philosophy.

I am really glad I don't personally know anyone like TxPrincess and the redneck family.




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Posted: Saturday, November 16, 2013 10:11:17 PM

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Ajax wrote:

[opening scene of Mississippi Burning]


And your point is ??

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Posted: Saturday, November 16, 2013 10:41:22 PM

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This was a clear statement of why Texas left the Union. If this isn't racist, what is?


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Posted: Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:01:16 PM

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PersonalAssistant wrote:


And your point is ??


It's a movie clip. Demonstrates what life was, and can be like in Southern States for some.

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Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08:36 AM

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Ajax wrote:


It's a movie clip. Demonstrates what life was, and can be like in Southern States for some.


Thanks Ajax .... yes, I saw it was a movie clip. When I watched it ... I jumped at the gunshot!! I can't imagine that type of life (back in 1964) or at anytime.

(and then fast forward to another movie, American History X (1998), where such crazy Neo-Nazis still roam and create havoc. Another example what I don't understand (their organizational belief) nor can even fathom such unbending narrow-mindedness regarding the human race)

As I've said, you have all (or is it y'all have) enlightened this Canadian, to some of the original intent of the confederate flag, to the misuse of the flag and how others have claimed it as their own to use as they see fit. Of which, Kanye West has a new line of clothing with the said confederate flag .... Kanye West Confederate Flag Article

I seem to be always learning something on Lush!!

Merci!




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Posted: Monday, November 18, 2013 9:55:03 AM

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my opinion only as I live in the south

you cannot delete history for it makes you uncomfortable

my kids school is called the rebels

the flag is a symbol of what the south was...not what it is today

and not everyone in the south had slaves

but to promote it in any other way but a part of history

as something for us to remember...and how devastating the civil war was

is wrong

but we know the past repeats itself

and we must learn from our lessons

should it be used at schools etc..no

but we have freedom here..even to do things..that perhaps are not...correct

do we not

again..only my...opinion and I see both sides

as I live in the deep south

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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:26:02 AM

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Showing up to one of these rallies with a Confederate flag sounds like an excellent way for progressives to discredit the tea party.

For those of us in the North there really is little difference between showing the Confederate flag and the swastika, they were both created to stand for exactly the same thing.

Which is of course something these people know because their only interest is tribal politics and upsetting other people. Thats why they do the whole anti-gay, anti-latino hate thing and why they try to stop 'darkies' and women voting with their VoterID laws.

Right now there are a bunch of Tea Party hackers trying to bring down Healthcare.gov so that they can prevent people from getting health insurance and kill them. What a charming bunch they are. And the Republican party bows down before these racist thugs.

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coffeekid63 wrote:
Some folks really need to learn their history ( not the revisionist crap they teach in schools these days) The Civil War started over states rights slavery didn't become the main issue until Lincoln issued the Emaciation Proclamation


Utter bollocks.

The reason that the southern states succeeded was the elites that owned the plantations and the slaves feared that Lincoln would issue an emancipation proclamation after being elected on an anti-slavery platform.

Slavery was the alpha and omega of the Southern cause.

Of course ignorant people tell others to 'learn their history'. They have been brainwashed by the segregationist propaganda they were taught in southern schools.

Next you will be telling us that the civil rights movement was not opposing racism.

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Posted: Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:41:51 AM

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You can't hide history or change it because you don't like it. And you can't hold a people today for what mistakes their people did before they were born. If that was true no African American would be a member of the Democratic party. You learn from history, try not to repeat the mistakes of the past and improve on the lessons learn from the past.

I had people on both sides of the Revolution and on both sides of the Civil War. They each had their own reasons and I don't try to second guess them. At the time of the Civil War till the Second World War people pretty much stayed in one area of the country and how that area went in a conflict so they went.

For example: Texas lived under six flags and they respect each one even with the fact that at times they fought against one flag and another, but their history is involved with all six (and seven if Native Americans had one). Burning one or more of those flags and rewriting the history books won't change history.

The sign the Nazi Party used was used by early Native Americans in the Southwest and they object to its being known for something bad than for their good history. But people should know both meanings of the symbol and know that one is bad and one good and why. That is education.

In many countries they destroy, rewrite, and change their history to provide reasons for their dictators to rule the way they do. We can not allow that to happen here or we will be no better than the people who made the mistakes of the past.

We have to have history and historic evidence to remind us why we are the way we are, to remind of us of mistakes made so we don't repeat them, to remind us of great events that we should be proud of and want to pass on to those who follow us.

History is history good and bad. You can bury your head in the sand, but you can't bury the truth.
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Posted: Sunday, December 15, 2013 1:56:45 AM

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Let me see, I hear "freedom of speech" on here on a regular basis. Since when is banning symbols or speech you don't like AMERICAN or Constitutional? If our national emblem can be burned as an act of free speech, I see no reason why the "stars and bars" cannot be hoisted.

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Posted: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:19:07 AM

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The Swastika and any Nazi symbolism is prohibited in Germany. Last I checked, that sounded like an act made out of fear and shame. I mean if we're gonna bitch, whine, and complain that the south was evil and racist(and let's be honest, the North wasn't really all that much better, both sides had their faults and virtues)and what about what both the North and South did to the Natives? Just because a confederate/the old Georgia State flag discomforts or offends you, doesn't mean all of them should be burned. Freedom of speech applies to everyone. This country's foundation has a lot of blood on it.


While we're at that, let's burn Westboro's signs, the KKK's symbols, let's prohibit porn as many find that discomforting, in fact lets censor things that people find uncomfortable. Cuz censorship fixes everything... Just ask Germany or Noth Korea where Kim Jung Il and his predecessors are portrayed as Holy men and Western Culture is evil.

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Posted: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:45:49 PM

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ByronLord wrote:
Slavery was the alpha and omega of the Southern cause.


That is an interesting statement.

Would you consider changing or amending it if you discovered that the first documented law, banning the importation of Africans for the purposes of slavery was the constitution of the Confederate States of America?

And, as a little bit of trivia, I also note that you list your location as Massachusetts, which happens to be the first colony to legalize slavery, in 1641.
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HotRodG wrote:


That is an interesting statement.

Would you consider changing or amending it if you discovered that the first documented law, banning the importation of Africans for the purposes of slavery was the constitution of the Confederate States of America?

And, as a little bit of trivia, I also note that you list your location as Massachusetts, which happens to be the first colony to legalize slavery, in 1641.
That was British North America during that time period. What started as indentured servitude, became slavery because it was more ebeneficial for them.

Post 1776 the North started abolishing slavery right?

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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:31:14 PM

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Ajax wrote:
That was British North America during that time period. What started as indentured servitude, became slavery because it was more ebeneficial for them.

Post 1776 the North started abolishing slavery right?


In 1638 there was a war between the New England colonies and a native tribe. During the war, men, women, and children of the native tribe were taken prisoner and the men were sent to the West Indies. There, the natives were exchanged for African slaves. The Africans were held as indentured servants until about 1641 when chattel slavery was recognized as a legal institution in Massachusetts.

Vermont was the first state to have abolished slavery in 1777 after it seceded from New York to form its own state.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:11:32 PM

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HotRodG wrote:

Vermont was the first state to have abolished slavery in 1777 after it seceded from New York to form its own state.


Fine history, but irrelevant to the central role slavery had for the Southern states the American Civil War 84 years later, and to the symbolism of the Confederate battle flag used in that war.
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What ever happened to the good old day's When we were had rites,like freedom of expression.I guess that's all going to end, now that the totalitarians have taken over. They can just ban anything that offends them.sign0024 America land of the gnome, free of the brave.stirthepot
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