Forum posts made by she

So to all of you who think this was an ok punishment, are you also for every city and town having a Stock downtown to place people in such as this woman?

After such hard elections, people are tired, they need some kind of a amusements. maybe to throw rotten eggs and tomatos in them? that sounds like fun and is a punishment, right!
people will be humiliated and for sure they will learn something, they will not brake down, becom revengefull, take their legal gun and kill several people in amusement park! ah, no..that cannot happen in America.

NO, judges are not seated to educate. They are there to adjudicate the law. If the law says an acceptable punishment is to have the offender post or hold a sign, sobeit. But I strongly doubt that is what the law says. Admittedly, judges' decisions exceed their authority many times; that is why we have a systm of appellate courts. Without law and the legitimacy of law, we are doomed to chaos.


lol, of course you are right, judges are not there to educate not as you read it anyway. I meant that someone who represents country with their laws, has to have the same dignity that unwritten law requires, with judgment and punishment people should learn something, that is why is there judgement is there, to re-educate people not to make the same mistake. Of course not everyone is fast learner

The Idiot sign is just way out of their authority. It is not democratic, it is not ethical and just rude. I could actually swallow rude but as you said letting slide any exceed of authority is way straight back to black middle ages.

compared to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and many African countries? no, it's not a shitty place to be a woman - it's just that it could be better - nothing wrong with striving for something a little better - it's got it's issues, yeah, but it's come a long way in the last 6 decades. :)

oh, i don't think you're ignorant, She, far from it! *hugs* i just think that you, because of your background, where you live, you have a different perspective is all. and i don't doubt what your saying - just like PETA makes it hard to be pro-animal rights at times and critical mass makes it hard to be pro-bike... there are always people who will give any idealogy a bad name - i was just making a point that it's the people you have an issue with, not feminism itself. poeple hijack movements all the time for their own gain or beliefs - for example, i don't think Christianity is bad - but there are a lot of people who do bad things in it's name for their own selfish reasons.

I am thinking out loud here..Don't you think, that maybe, just maybe this time around, you, because you are American, have different perspective and not as you pointed out? Feminism was born in Europe long before 60' last century, had few waves and reached point in modern Europe when is not needed anymore, not in forms that were in the past anyway..

it's not bad in the US - at least, not if you're looking at what it's like in the rest of the world, but it could be better - it SHOULD be better, not just for women, but for everyone of every race, sexual persausion, etc - EVERYone. there's no reason that we shouldn't' all be treated equally and with love and respect and until that happens, people need to make sure to keep pushing, and that's what i feel it is, not my right, but my obligation to do - that doesn't mean, as i said, being a so called 'femme-nazi', but it does mean standing up for my rights, speaking up when they are being trampled on, expressing my opinion. that's what it's all about.

So now is not bad? In previous post you made it sounded like shitie place to be as woman.

and you're wrong - lol - don't take offense at that, but you are. you said "But feminism is not all good as we all know". no, we don't all know that. don't let a few people who go over board define feminism. there are bad apples in every bunch - should i say that Canadians (sorry to pick on our northern neighbors, but it's mostly out of envy) are rat-bastards simply because someone from across the border was mean to me? people are not all good as we all know - the concept of feminism as an ideal, however, is. :)



..and I wondered at what point you will call me ignorant, lol. Just because you don't know about something, you didn't grew up with doesn't meand that it doesn't exist. Women in 90' who called themselve feminist and had nothing to do with femimnist movement ruined that word. No question about it, but I really can provide you with some liknks/studies if you want.

Apparently you need them, if you have that discrimination, you need strong movement. I didn’t know that it was that bad in the USA (since you do call yourself great nation, giggle, but thanks for that post, Sprite), it is my huge mistake assuming that modern democratic world doesn't have issues that I, here on old continent, am not dealing with. I don’t know how is situation in Canada because Dancing Doll listed and talked about feminism in the world, which I, and most people in here, are aware of, but knowing that, going to vote, drinking red Bordeaux when discussing it in living room with girlfriend, doesn’t give me the right to call myself Feminist. I am not. It is my duty to exploit what was given to me by birth, it is my duty.

Elit said it right, although he said people are selfish and individuals and he is right to one point, but being modest as well. People do help, students are involved, citizens are organized, the difference is that 'we' have no need to get name, praise or recognition for help we do. It is not perfect here and we have to deal with after waves of discrimination, those invisible inequality in society.., but I do not need applaud from someone because I helped old lady to cross the street and stopped one car for her, that doesn’t mean that I am revolutionary fighter for civil rights, I just helped one lady. It is my duty. When I feed lonely street dog from shelter and take him for a walk, doesn’t mean that I am PETA activist, no need for names, it is my duty. With being ‘good’ I am showing respect to people who fought for me to have this easy life, so calling myself feminist it is disrespectful towards those who actually took a risk to make changes.

But feminism is not all good as we all know, we as women did get revengeful and did punish men for being men. In 90’ was really ugly here, women were wild, disrespectful, aggressive, loud, frustrated.. and when I was 15, I was first time called mockingly feminist. I went to the library and educated myself to see what that means. I realized that just because I was independent, self-confident young girl (because my parents raised me that way) I was labeled as one of those feminist who were drawing paintings with their period blood (that was good one, Elit)

So when it comes down to the OP and the poem, as said in my first couple posts, reading it as 21. Europian century woman, it is personal disrespect toward herself.

Feminism, as a word, has gotten a bad name. So be it, but the challenge of women within society continues. Just because we have voting rights, etc., doesn't negate the overall challenge of the woman experience in today's world. Being a feminist doesn't mean being a humorless militant about women's issues. Don't confuse the connotation of the word versus the actual idea of feminism. You brought up race, and it's a decent analogy, in that races nominally have equal rights but still face struggles. The difference is that in most people's ideals, divisions of race would go away completely. Women, however, will always stand distinct from men, and as such, there will always be issues of gender in society, both as a continuance of history's struggles (i.e. we still don't have equal pay), and as a result of a fundamentally different experience (i.e. we give birth).

I am not confusing anything and I am so not intimidated by bad reputation that feminism has today, usually I am defending it..
Exactly, they are challenges, it is not movement and as I said it before it's our duty fight those challenges but that still doesn't give us right to call ourselves feminists.



p.s. let me just add this, since discussion is closed by famous X ;), apart what was said about new age frustrated feminists who are blaming world for their wrongs, there is another popular group of new age feminists, and those are young overly self-confident ladies with some kind of power in their life, who call themself feminists just because it is in. They have just vaguely or zero idea what feminism means. It is disrespectful.

Women are affected by issues all the time that they probably don't trace back to issues of equality - whether it's being labeled a slut for being promiscuous, violence against women, political arguments in current modern day society about right wing pro-life/abortion issues, contraception etc. even in the recent elections stem back to women's rights issues. You have modern day politicians advocating that women should be forced to have their rape baby because 'God intended it'. And that's just in the world we have direct experience with, to say nothing about genital mutilation, forced marriages, rape warfare etc that goes on in the rest of the world.

Yes, women are affected, men as well, children, cenior citizens, homosexuals, animals, enviroment, working class, rich people..yes, everybody do have issues.. but we, men and women are equal in front of the law.
Politicans are trying to get votes, save some money..Priests are trying to get more church goers or do their thing whatever it is, it is all part of the game, but no one can say that you as woman have less rights than man just because of the gender. And saying someone is feminist is saying that he or she is fighting for women to have equel rights..we have them, people from last century (mostly women) got that for us, today what we are doing is what is our duty, raising our voice if we disagree with our leaders.

Most people don't label or brand themselves as feminist, but the basic fundamentals of believing in gender equality means you share those beliefs, whether you're involved in raising awareness for any of these causes or not. Some of those homeland issues might have influenced the way a person voted. That simple act is still an action that shows that one does care about some of those issues. It's nothing to be ashamed of. It's just unfortunate that it's become a scary word to so many people.


It is become a scary word for so many people because changed, movement doesn't exist anymore become something else under that name but if you think that it does exist that there are issues where women and men are not equal, please show me some research, show me articles about existing feminism today, tell me how you are active or your people. You or me cannot be called feminists just because we are women and we believe in equal rights, neither of us is activist for equal rights. How come? because we have equal rights there is no need to be active about it. It is like saying I am pro that blacks have right to vote in USA. Who cares if I am pro, it is done deal, they have right why would I go into that again.
My two cents anyway

these hips are big hips.
they need space to
move around in.
they don't fit into little
petty places. these hips
are free hips.
they don't like to be held back.
these hips have never been enslaved,
they go where they want to go
they do what they want to do.
these hips are mighty hips.
these hips are magic hips.
i have known them
to put a spell on a man and
spin him like a top

This poem, like many of Clifton's poems, is feminist. Feminist doesn't mean anti-male. There is nothing anti-male or emasculating in any of her imagery. She is saying that her body doesn't fit the stereotypical ideal of feminine beauty and that it doesn't matter. She is self confident about her body, knows that it can and has been used to please men sexually, and therefore she is attractive. Her hips are symbolic of her attitude toward life. She is free. She is not bound by pettiness and other people's opinion of her. She is not enslaved by society's idea of what is beautiful or sexy. She is happy being who she is. The words that she uses to describe her hips are power words. Mighty, magic hips, free hips, hips able to go where they want and do as they please.

She isn't defined by her body or her sexuality, but by her freedom and independence. Her self is more than her hips, more than her weight, and much more than just a machine for making babies and pleasing men. The only men who would feel emasculated by this poem or it's sentiments are men who already hate women for being women. Men who just want sex dolls and dishwashers might be threatened by the freedom Clifton expresses in the poem, but men assured of their own sexuality and identity aren't threatened by her, the poem or the sentiments it expresses. She is saying that she is a complete woman, free, independent and also sexual.

The poem seems very straightforwardly feminist to me. It's a "I am woman hear me roar," kind of poem without the blatancy or stridency of I Am Woman . Clifton's poetry often features body parts and uses female sexuality to express thoughts about freedom and self reliance. This particular poem is political in the sense that being any woman is political in a patriarchy. She is not intimidated by men, but that doesn't mean she wants to castrate them. On the contrary, she uses her sexuality happily.

As I see it, this poem is not 'I am a woman hear me roar' but I am roaring to be heard as beautiful equal woman. It is a difference.

As far as She's contention that feminism isn't needed in the 21st century, I'd like to point out that it is a constant struggle to maintain the rights we have won. Given a chance, the right wing will take our rights to control our own bodies. The fight for women's rights is feminism. Are you saying women shouldn't fight for their rights, or are you under the impression that all the work was done in the seventies and eighties?

Please don't get me wrong, I am woman in every sense, proud woman but I just think that we need to step out of the box a bit. With our every action there is reaction. Sometimes our leaders are taking our bone away from us, just so we won't noticed other important issues where we might be successfull, but too busy to notice..
I don't think women should fight their battles under the name of feminism, but under the name of equal citizents. It is not just the name, but who we are. When I am on the street, I am not fighting for woman rights, but my right as human being. Saying I am feminist in 21. century it says that nor you nor everyone around you believe that you have equal rights and I refuse to live like that. Maybe it is just in my head but I see feminism today as paradox.
As I pointed out in previous post, right wing has too much Church influences. I don't know if you can see what I am trying to say here, but is so important how we aproach the problem. Feminism was extremely emotional movement, very powerfull and today is everything about subtle diplomacy.

feminism is always needed. the issue with feminism is people's perception of it. i consider myself a feminist. does that mean i think i deserve special treatment because of my gender? no, it means that i'm proud of who i am and that i think i deserve equal treatment and that, if i am not qualified to do something because i simply am not, than i should accept that AND that if i am qualified TO do something, than my gender shouldn't matter at all.
Exactly and being aware of that, that you might not be good enough for certain position and that that has nothing to do with your gender, it is normal. I personally think (and please don't take it personally because I really don't know you or your life) keeping feminism alive/active is like excuse to blame someone else for your bad calls, or just excuse to say they didn't do/accepted me, something because I am a woman.
Saying feminism is always needed is like saying fighting for everyone has the right to vote. It is done deal, we won, it is time for new changes. We shouldn't waste energy on battles that have been already won.



as far as demanding to be loved and respected, i understand that - some cultures do not value women or certain races, and sometimes you have to fight for your rights and get up in peoples faces - going through the painful growth of slowly getting rights as a gay woman, i get it - all too often i feel, because of legislation and people's attitudes, like a second class citizen - i get where the author is coming from - the battle for civil rights preceded the battle for that the LBGT community faces, but even in the 21 century, in some places, it's important to stand your ground. and homosexuals are finally - just finally, being recognized as equal - not better, but EQUAL - in some of the more liberal parts of these united states as far as marriage, rights in the workplace, and discrimination in general go...

I was expressing my thoughts about poem reading it as 21.century Europian woman. Not as orthodox muslim woman with barely any rights. I am no Che Guevara, I can only make changes in myenviroment. I am straight, but have gay friends and I am very active with helping them, but as I tell them I will tell you as well, fighting on the street with people, trying to change their mind to enlighten them is way too long process, this battle should be fought differently and until church is part of the political system you will never get your rights. So when people are saying I am religious but fighting for gays, sounds so rediculous to me.



so yeah, i get Ms. Clifton's point, i understand her POV and the fact that she chooses to celebrate thru her poetry, her womanhood and her race, rather then be bitter and angry, elevates me.

This is lovely thing about written word, we can read it as suits us. I read that from point of view, as equal woman who doesn't need to demand to be accepted or loved or appreciated as she is, because I simply am loved appreciated and accepted from myself and do not care about how others will see me. Who will love me, adore me as I am, will; who won't I certainly have no interest to point out how delicious I am, because it means I need them to be complete. The truth is that I am complite, full person without anybody's approval, ladies from last century won that battle for me and I certenly have not intentions to disrespect them with fighting that battle over again.

Just because something may not be your thing, does not make it stupid. Simply state is not your thing or don't comment, but honestly there is enough crap in the world without having to act out like that over something we may not be into such as poetry. Just sayin.

and I am just saying that he has the right to his opinion, and if he thinks this is not his cup of tea and that is stupid, he is entitled to do so.
But let me tell you this that you sounds just as judgemental as he did in your eyes.


As far as poem goes and my thoughts about it, have to say that I found it disrespectful in a way that writer is disrespecting herself with this exaggerated feminism. I am not familiar with writer or her background, but reading it as 21.century woman, I would say that she is overdoing it. I have respect for women and feminisem in 70' and 80'. In the 90' feminism reached ugly phrase and in 21.century it is not needed. So this poem leaves me with bad taste and it's cry for being loved, respected, demanding it from someone else is just doesn't make sense to me and I found that rather pathetic. 21.century woman doesn't need other people's approval in a way writer demands.

We are usually in particular restaurant beause we are craving for some specific food. So we know what we want and it really doesn't matter if he is ordering for us or I am. Orders who is quicker or usulally the one who is hungrier, giggles, it is just saving time and we don't make fuss to a waiter. However, there is always short consulting, nodding/adding and things like that.. The same goes when I am with friend or brother. If it's new place, we leave it to a waiter. ..but if its first date or getting to know you dates than I am ordering for myself if he doesn't recommend something, I am fine with that as well.. Easy, I don't make fuss out of it.

No matter how bad democrat candidate is, it cannot be worst than best republican candidate. In this difficult times USA showed its strenght, very proud of you people that you didn't get fooled with promised sparkling way out but decided to work and make good foundations. Congratulations again!

What's wrong with you people!? Is this how you are going to educate your children when they make mistake??
Yes she is an idiot no question about it, but that is not the way to solve any problems. Judges are there to re-educate mistakes we do and that is just not the way things should go.

I wish I knew what you guys are talking about.
And it's not said with sarcasm. Every time I have desire to play a game, people just roll eye on me, I guess I suck.

The judge's unique sentence predictably has drawn hundreds of comments on social media. Many agree with the sentence, saying more judges should strive for non-traditional penalties. Others however, argue that the punishment is too degrading and humiliating for a motor vehicle violation.



This is just bad, really bad. Non-traditional penalties? Please. Forget the law, lets allow every village to wote for their executional priest who will decide what kind of a penaltie is for who.

I don't have one.
To me is really important How is something said and When, if that matches the situation my lover and I are in, nothing can turn me off.

p.s. didn't cross my mind to mention, until I saw cocokisses post, that i don't have daddy issues and I don't date guys who wish I have some.

i am withh you ladies!

oh wow ladies!!
I am so vanilla

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Maybe I should start saying it's She or CurlyGirly?


Everytime they ask me to see my real profile pic, I have one ready, so, thank you that would save me so much fuss with it!

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...but, I am always polite and ask: 'u hungry? shall I sit on ur face?'

Nobody loves me anymore.

giggle, not really! They just know not to mess up with Alpha, if they have nothing on their plate..I believe all is good, Doll ;)

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I know this might sound as paradox but, when I joined in, I was fussy about my friends list..evenutally got tired of politely declining all those requests and begun to accept everyone. Now, back when I was fussy about it, I had all those really annoying black boxes, pokes, chat requests.. and now when I accept every one, only my friends are poking me, sending me bb.. MAybe it could be that I am sending bad vibe and I am not really likeable... or maybe people just want to be part of something and to reach that securety is to be on someones friend list?

I was mean, no need for that..

I read it this morning,.. happening is in the salon..you might enjoy it..
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She,

Not everyone agrees on the same social issues. That is the problem with them and why they are issues and not needs. It's almost as if it's not the social issues anymore but who is arguing for them. I'd like to think that we can live in an all inclusive society. Unfortunately that isn't reality. We can argue all day long about gay marriage, abortion, the death penalty, etc....etc....etc...

You can't legislate what someone believes. All you can do is pass a law that tells the offended party to deal with it. If we live in a true democracy, then the majority rules. The problem then is that whomever is left out gets the shaft. Is that not the case in all society? There will forever be a social issue if the minority has a strong voice but no votes to carry that out.


ChefKathleen makes a very valid point. How can someone argue over dog fighting and fur coats when we have our own children without shoes and housing. We need to get a handle on the immediate before we can solve issues that don't affect the whole. As strongly as I feel I am Pro-Gay Marriage, the issue isn't going to go anywhere. There shouldn't be a law about marriage anyway.

Economics.....The whole is affected by that.......The more we borrow and the more we print, the less valuable our dollar becomes. If the dollar drops in value then things cost more. The effect is staggering if not kept in check. We have to get a grip on spending. We can't implement policies that cost more because they will keep costing more. The larger the government becomes the more costly it becomes. As hard as it is to face, it is the reality.


If we can agree that social issues define us as person, than we can say that we can judge our leaders based on that. Who we are is the key how we are going to deal with problems. Economic issue is a problem that needs solution a bit deeper than just healing and dealing with simptoms and somehow I trust more democratic oriented politicans and their way of solving my economic problems because of how they are dealing with social issues. And that is why I think soccial issues are real issues.
Do I make any sense?

Being dominant or submissive in the bedroom is part of personality, you cannot make someone to be more dominant if he is submissive and all he wants is to suck your toes. You just didn't chose right for yourself.

I got snipped when I was 27 and have never regretted it. We have no children, and that was planned. I was into ZPG back in the day. Don't hear much about it nowadays.

Oh, I have so much respect for this post.

For a lot of people it HAS to be the economic issues right now. They can't afford to give two shits whether gays can marry or civil rights or any other kinds of rights. If they can't put a roof over their heads and food in their own mouths or their kids mouths, the consensus is screw them, I need a job a place to lay my head and some food.

Maybe. However, those are 'just' problems we are facing.. social issues, what we stand for, what we believe in..defined us, is who we are.
Social issues are real issues, economic issues are problems we are facing with..

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..as a tease, bad ass tease

absolutely!!!