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Monocule I have gotten used to his excuses and just expect more of them for the next 3 years. Finally the promises he's made with Obamacare has backed him in to a corner he can't get away with excuses and blaming other people he owns this one. If people take notice they will see a similar trend with a lot of his other issues and hold him responsible . I don't know another president where every week your almost know something new is going to rear up.
Monocule were completely on two different sides of the ship. I see the person that was going to cut the debt in half-you can keep your plan - save the typical family $2500 and I don't see any of these things coming to pass. You know how you can tell he his lying , his lips are moving.
Sexynun you pretty much nailed it but the sad thing is that's pretty much what helped this president get reelected. Free cell phones- half again more people on food stamps with debt rate that's getting out of control. He also wants to bring in more illegals and they pretty much ignore imigration laws. What kind of a future is he leaving your son. He was going to cut the debt in half but how can you with the programs he's running.
The Obama's approval rating speaks volumes, over half of it is about Obamacare. I worry for my children about the debt and I believe this program just adds to it. I do not see us getting him out of office and being less than 20 trillion in debt coming from a person that blamed Bush for out of control spending. At 20 trillion of debt what percentage of every dollar collected goes to pay the interest on the debt? I never hear him saying anything about getting spending under control. He's more often crying about having his spending limited. When I talk about the dust settling I think his program needs drastic changes which I think are possible then it might work.
This program was put together by the Democrats, many Republicans have stated the Democrats own it. If you want to keep your doctor or your old policy you can keep it - period. It will save the typical family $2500. Sound familiar? Now take a little time and examine the web site, what a joke and they spent over 600 million with little protection from hacking and that should have been the foundation it was built on. A lot of lies built around poor leadership designed to blame everyone else and when that doesn't work they play the race card. What did Pelosi say? We would like it when we see it to much to read. We're finding out now. The big thing they do have working for them is they own main media which can help prop up their agenda.
We will probably have to wait several years for the dust to settle to see what we really have. This thing could implode because of the people implementing it really don't know what they have for sure or how the cards will fall. It should probably be a flat tax across the board and everyone's in much like you have Canada. Government run with insurance companies taken out of the game. It seems like here in the states the more the government gets involved the worse it is for the consumer.
Geekitude how do you like your system.? I've heard your tax rates high and people wait in line for healthcare. Ours has played out like a soap opera. It's all about leadership and the people that are supposed to be responsible finding somebody else to blame. Claims being made that they always knew they weren't going to cover. I'm sure some families that didn't have coverage will be greatfull but people that see their rates double and also see their deductibles double will have different opinion. The web site a circus act and people involved need to be investigated for fraud, but Obama's green energy programs were run very similar.
Hopefully we can learn to treat each other with an element of respect. I will admit a lot of my comments can't be covered by fact checks. At the end of the day I hope we walk away friends with a right to our own opinions. I voted for Obama on his first term based on what he ran on hope and change. After four years of his leadership I felt the direction he was taking this country was wrong. Listening to a young single guy (early 30's) tell his experience with Obamacare. Policy he is being thrown out of was less than $80 a month with a $1500 deductible. The new one $250 a month with a $5000 deductible. They asked him if he would get the new one and he said no. He felt with that high of a deductible he would take his chances and pay the penalty. I think a lot of people will be forced to make this type of choice. I have listened to former presidents that made statements that unified the country. Obama seems to be not care if his comments separate the country.
What we really need is for members to post actual experience with what the cost were before and what they will be under the new plan. For the president to be making claims he can't cover is not acceptable. He always gets a free pass when he should be held accountable. He is pushing a program that he should have known what the cost should be within reason. Now the latest is that the web site is not protected very well from hacking. Our governor in Minnesota just came out and said he will not allow cancelled policies back into their old plan. Going from saving people $2500 to costing them $5000 makes you feel for the people that this is happening to. When we talk about lies it makes me think about when his camp was accusing Romney's camp of lying, look at where they are now. When it gets bad enough they start pulling out the race card or accusing the republicans of not helping them solve their problem.
A lot of the debt issues were in place when he was campaigning in 2008. To claim he was going to cut the debt in half was over the top when there has been little or no effort to cut spending and that is the major issue Republicans have with his policies. He holds nobody accountable for how poorly obamacare has been run. One minute he didn't know anything, the next thing he accepts all the blame.
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