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Monocle what you are doing is amazing. I know I need to do more. I have a hard time watching people driving SUV's and 4-wheel drive pickups when they hardly use them in 4-wheel drive. In our area this happens a lot. Watching a show recently that one the commentators felt in his opinion the pipeline will be approved before 2014 elections when Democrats can capture as much momentum as possible going into 2014 elections. I think he's right since their people basically are approving it.
Melman your right about the fact we as a country have done very little to lower our consumption of energy. How many people do we know driving vehicles getting 20mpg or less when most of us should be driving vehicles that get 30mpg or more? Hopefully this decision does have to wait till we have a huge disaster with a train derailment. People in the path of these trains are at a greater risk than most are aware of. It's easy for someone not in the path to try and shut it down, but if they care for other people we should be getting behind the pipeline. The tar sands is a Canadian issue that's pretty much out of our control.
I don't think we know that much more about the pipeline today that we didn't know five years ago. We are not shutting down production just putting into place the best option. Safer ,cheaper and much more environmentally sound. We need to invest more in research of alternative fuels yet not push an alternative like corn ethanol which makes absolutely no sense(cost more, replaces very little oil and reeks havock on the environment). Is it possible there is money to be made on these permits and the administration is not getting what they want.
In our area it looks like rail has to be at near full capacity. So if volume increases they will probably need another means of transportation. It's clearly time for this administration give the people and answer and if it's a no what's the reason.
Where is the oil shipped rail at present coming from? The oil produced in North Dakota needs to be dealt with. I don't think this is a Canadian only issue. Part of the pipeline is already built. Using the rail is by far the worst option of the two. A major disaster by rail is only waiting to happen. After the recent train derailment in North Dakota Warren Buffet was spotted investing in pipeline technoligy so there may be hope. It is time to quit kicking the can down the road. If you lived near one of the rails being used you would know what I mean. By far some of the largest shipments I have ever seen, by that I mean lots more tanks per trains and more trains in number.
It's currently being shipped rail big time with a much larger impact to the environment and safety is a concern in the areas these trains travel. The fact that Warren Buffet is heavily invested in the rail system tells me Barrack's not going to let it happen. When cost and safety is weighed in the pipeline is a no brainer. The jobs might as well stay here verses shipping them overseas.
Was watching a program on the public channel where Pat Moyer was roasting a Republican Governor for the state cuts he was making, easy to criticize but the cuts need to start somewhere. We don't need to turn the government into another Detroit. A equally challenging documentary could have been made on Detroit and what their past leadership has done.
Your exactly right and we need to start now before the debt becomes to large to fix.
Monocle if Obama doesn't pull a carrot out his hat 20 trillion of debt is a given that you pretty much have to agree with. I have two sixteen year olds and I asked them how this could be dealt with and they figure it's out of control. What's your solution?
Monocle your so quick to define a lie, but you know it's taught me to do a better job of fact checking and to not talk off memory as much. My major concern as noted many times is the debt this president will leave this country and this has been a major stumbling block in congress. Your saying when Obama made his famous quotes on the debt he had no clue how bad it was yet 2009 is when he made the quote about cutting the deficit in half. That was four years ago and I have yet to see a single attempt to lower it. If 9 trillion was a massive debt what's 20 trillion. Like the man from California that talked about the experience he and his girlfriend were having with Obamacare this creates a cheerleading base if your one of the people subsidized. Who ever runs in 2016 this has to be at the top of the list of issues they will have to deal with.
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