Cons of being a guy




Feminism, society turned against men by feminists, attacks against masculinity by feminists, legal and social persecution and oppression by feminists.


supposedly we have slightly less contrastive vision than girls, it seems we have to do everything that a girl doesn't want to do b/c they'll whine about getting their shirts dirty or their nail polish from chipping imo, no offense. most importantly if you get kicked in the groin, it hurts A LOT.

-Even when abdominal fat is more active and can be gone sooner, it is risky for the cardiovascular system.
-For most men: having a high sex drive.
-Misandry is accepted and encouraged in today's society.
-On average; more body hair
-Higher risk of suffering genetic allopecia.
-There's no benefit in marriage for men at all

There are pratically no pros to being a man. If you are a man then you get to be unemployed at twice the rate as women, you get to make 15% of domestic spending decisions, you can lose your kids and go to jail if you can't pay your exhorbitant child support judgment, you can be accused of rape at the drop of a hat (and your false accuser never, ever goes to jail for the lie), and you get to be a part of a culture that generally treats men as moronic clowns. And you are far less likely to earn a college degree than a woman.

So for men, the advantage is physical strength. Women get all of the other advantages.

+And men don't get periods, sure. But we live shorter lives (and yet get less health research funding) and thus collect fewer retirement benefits, even though we pay the same taxes.

- being seen as disposable & expendable in society, your feelings & emotions do not matter.


Pros of being a girl


Low libido and zero interest in the opposite sex
can wear whatever they want
can cry without being called names
No accountability, everything is the man's fault
More funding for women's health then men
Label ''The Fairer Sex''
Less Body hair
can get away with almost anything, including homicide, Statutory rape ,child molestation,abuse,false rape accusations,domestic violences ( no not saying any of it is a good thing,just that when men do they should be punish to the full extent of the law, so should women)
If arrested get a lighter jail/prison sentences then a man would
both sexes generally tend to treat women in a more positive way
Live longer, don't have to do as much physical labor, have lots of options, automatically have the upper hand in divorce and custody cases (not saying that's a good thing, but it's the truth).



Was going to attack feminist groups, after I saw Bunny12's response of us ruling the world. Men certainly do not rule world. They do not get higher pay for the same work. If you look at unbiased studies and actually analyse the results instead of taking them at face value, it shows that women actually choose lower paying jobs because they are less willing to work in dangerous jobs, isolated/uncomfortable locations, longer hours, unorthodox times, they prefer family time, etc. Also, men are 95% of workplace deaths, but with all the factors accounted for in jobs (i.e. hours worked, same job, same education level, etc.), they only earn 4-6¢ more than the women every dollar. Not the 77 to a dollar that a lot of groups would have you believe. That difference could probably be explained away by men's better bargaining skills, in general, men may be better at convincing their opponent for a better deal for themselves. Unmarried women without children actually earn more than unmarried men without children. Yeah! Female-owned businesses (I think in the USA) get money simply for being female, all other factors accounted for, but still, female CEOs earn half as much as male CEOs. Take that to mean what you want, that women are fairer to their employees, or their customers, or that men are simply better at running a business.

Second thing is, domestic violence has actually been proven to be about 50/50 between the sexes. Feminist groups (not your average innocent feminist that just wants equality, but mainstream feminist groups) twist figures of domestic violence, rape, etc., by changing definitions. They love to redefine things to make men seem like we're all out to get women.

As women, you were forced to listen to your husband, look after your children and household and were not accountable for any of your actions by the law. As a man, you were expected to hold your wife accountable (since they couldn't be held by law, that was the actual rules), if you couldn't you were ridiculed, shamed, your wife was free to run about doing a lot of… things and the law couldn't stop her. However, even then, wife beaters were looked at with disgust, I don't know why people automatically assume that since we're so 'liberal' and 'progressive' that people were tyrants back in the day, that most ordinary people just trying to get on with life were tyrants.

So, anyway, women not held accountable by law, submissive to husband (just like the husband is submissive to the law and wasn't allowed to beat her, but minor physical punishment was allowed as a last resort, since the husband is legally accountable for his wife's activity), constrained to the household. Now, the man, he was constrained to his work and it was his duty to bring home money, he would be looked at with disdain if he couldn't bring in money for his family because he was being a stay-at-home dad, just like women would be looked at with disdain if they couldn't look after their kids, in favour of working outside the home, but feminists wanted to assume that there was something better outside the household (hint, there wasn't, everyone has their own problems, women may have been constrained, but so were men, just in a different place). Men could be drafted to war at any time, but women couldn't, not because of sexism towards women, but because society valued women too much, think about it, they are more inherently more valuable to the species - a man could have many kids by many women, but a woman could only have one mans' kid(s) at a time, twins or more if the human race is *lucky* - so anyway, men served to protect the women and children, that's where the rule, "women and children first" comes from. Women may have been objectified as sex objects, but men were disposable killing machines. All for the protection of women and children. If there's a fire, women and children expected to come out first. Men pay the bills.

Men do NOT rule the world. We already had the rawer end of the deal before feminism arrived, but after feminism morphed to have some sort of persecution complex of women, it has been popular for women to hate men in this society. Men and women have a bigger gap now to overcome than ever before. Feminism has destroyed men's rights. Being a man today is arguably better than being a man in days past, but so's being a woman, and feminism has really made that gap between men and women even bigger, despite that women had the better deal in the first place. Men are taught today that there's something wrong about masculinity, especially with all the female role models early in children's lives (teachers, single mothers (since custody battles are always geared towards women and the legal incentives to marry AND divorce for women, but none for either for men), etc.).

The blame lies with the DJ's for making the stupid prank call and also the Royal Security.


Are you serious? If you're talking about the blame for the death of the nurse, then how on good Earth can that be the fault of the Royal Security? They didn't even press charges or say anything about the nurse's supposed mistake. I mean, I can understand blaming the DJ, I just put that down to emotion clouding judgment, but the Royals? I actively dislike the Royals and I commend them on their response to the honest-to-goodness mistake that any human could have made; literally nothing. They didn't ostracise her, they didn't forgive her nationally, making her feel embarrassed, guilty and indebted for her mistake, they didn't try to make it seem like a big deal in any way.

it occurs to me that these DJ's could've done a very simple thing, and while nobody knows if deaths would've been prevented by doing so, it certainly wouldn't have hurt: reveal their prank at the end of the phone call, before they hang up .

That would have been so much more kind-spirited than what happened, which as far as I can tell, was basically a public victory lap for getting their call through.


Very much agreed on this point. I do recall that they were shocked to have gotten through, but I don't think that excuse is good enough in this case. At the end of the call, just reveal the prank. Even better, just don't do it, not because some woman might have killed herself over something she had a tiny part in, but because it's a disgusting breach of a sick, pregnant woman's privacy.

Either you have not read opposing views carefully or did not comprehend them. No one has said that this woman was deliberately targeted. The point was to make whoever answered the phone look foolish and see if they could get away with it. The prank was random in choice of victim - whoever spoke to them. So no one thinks they chose this particular nurse, but they do accuse the djs of thoughtlessness carrying this out. Period. Of course they could not predict that it would go this far, as you have argued, but that is precisely the point - that they were willfully blind in carrying out their sophomoric fun.



I comprehended them perfectly well, I believe. I think it is you who is not comprehending my previous post. It seems to me that you are saying that the DJs sought out to humiliate someone, random or not.


It was their intent to humiliate, harass, intimidate and bully someone.


Like WMM said, humiliating her was exactly what they were gunning for. Her and the entire hospital. They hoped they would get a juicy result like this and that's exactly what they got. Very little goes better on air than when you humiliate someone.


they wanted to humiliate, embarass, and ridicule, showing whoever answered their call to be a gullible fool.


Is it really humor to humiliate someone in public?


I'm saying that you guys are making assumptions on what the DJs' intentions are, without knowing a thing about them. You've already made up your mind that these people wanted to humiliate someone. There are other ways in which humour can be derived from the call (however much it breached Kate's privacy, which is the real thing they did wrong).

When I said that you're certain they were trying to humiliate the woman, I meant humiliating whoever picked up. From what I see, you are all assuming that their target was the person who picked up, to embarrass them for poor job performance. What I am saying is that you have already demonised the pair, and I'm pretty sure most, if not all of you didn't listen to the show before. You have already made up your mind that their goal was to humiliate SOMEONE.

Oh, and if you're curious about why I broke my rule, it's because I honestly do not have anything better to do at this moment.

You've been all over the fucking map with your comments.

I've made multiple comments regarding the issue. If ANY of them you believe to be incorrect or misinformed, all you have to do is point them out and explain why you think so. Instead, you just decided that calling me oblivious would help me see my supposed oblivion. You decided that calling me thoughtless would help me see my supposed thoughtlessness. You claim that you "know … story." You've decided to ignore my arguments that I walk the reader through, rather than correct me on where you see the issue. All I ask is that you go through my arguments and actually point out the logical flaws you see.


You make zero sense to me and to a great many others here.

I could say the same of you. I won't speak for others, but I can tell you the feeling's mutual. Your quote of the word "SUMMARY", replying to that with "don't quit your day job"? Yeah, that's what doesn't make sense. And I actually get the feeling that chefkathleen, Mazza and a few others agree with at least some of my sentiments, like the fact that the DJs are absolutely NOT at fault for her death (though I believe they are at fault for breaching Kate's privacy).


Your profile says everything we need to know about you.

There you go again! What is on my profile, where is it, what conclusions do you derive from what is on there and why do you arrive at those conclusions?


I have empathy towards anyone who considers that to be their last best option.

I can't claim to empathise with her, but I DO sympathise with her. Just because I believe it's her own fault for killing herself, doesn't mean I don't sympathise. A kid who sneaks out to a party late at night is at fault for their grounding, but I can still sympathise. Someone being at fault for something DOESN'T mean they deserve it.


You vtcmr - you're not even in it from what I can tell, hence... oblivion.

Most of the people here are not likely to have been suicidal, or depressed, yet you decide to single me out.

As for the rest of you, I'm not going to bother anymore. It's clear that many of you have already made up your minds about what the DJ's intentions were, because you know that they were trying to humiliate this poor woman. You know for certain that she was supposed to be the target of this prank from the very beginning. I'd ask for a poll to see who actually listened to the damn thing, but at this point, it's too late and besides, I'm done here!

You ask where our compassion is gone, but you hypocritically have no compassion for the mistake that these DJs made. You've decided in your mind that you know their full intentions and you've already decided to demonise them. Arguing against people like that is pointless, so I'm going to leave this discussion. WMM, if you want to respond to my tangential discussion about your dislike of me, just drop me a PM and maybe I'll respond.

This thread has gotten too long, and there's a lot of statements which have been made that I strongly disagree with and will take me a long time to go through and dismantle each one of, so I'm done here.

Before I leave though, I will say that pretty much everyone has been civilised (if a little judgemental of the people who think she took the easy way out, was selfish, defend the pranksters, etc. from the side that has no compassion for the DJs), though I strongly disagree with some opinions. Pretty much everyone… WellMadeMale has singled me out on, I think, three occasions.


You don't get it, I get that much. And after glancing at your Lush profile, I now know the rest of your story.

Oblivion - you wear it well.



Don't quit your day job.

A psychologist/analyst/thoughtful person -- you are not.



I've yet to call you any names. Yet.

You've done a pretty good job of painting yourself into a corner which you cannot dodge out of, you don't require assistance from anyone else.

Please, continue...


Stop trying to play semantics, you know very well what I mean. You're just making posts calling me oblivious, thoughtless, claiming to know me from a look at my very incomplete, anonymous profile, etc.

Like I said, dismantle my arguments, or shut the fuck up. You're not contributing anything to the thread. Everyone else can have a discussion, but not you.

Interestingly, you've made a bunch of other posts that pertain to the discussion, but you seem to have a problem with me. Care to explain what your problem with me is? What have I done to earn your… derision and "intimidation"/"harassment", since what you're doing is much closer to illustrate the meaning of those words than what the DJs did.

I am genuinely curious. I mean, I can even understand the judgement from some of the others who disagree with me as callous or lacking empathy, but you… I really do not understand why you dislike me so much.

Don't quit your day job.

A psychologist/analyst/thoughtful person -- you are not.


Can we stop with the name calling? You're using ad hominem attacks that don't strengthen your argument. Seriously? You don't even know who I am, so I wouldn't be so quick to make assumptions like that. I am NOT a psychologist, but I doubt everyone here is, and noone set prerequisites for this thread. Seriously, dismantle my arguments or shut the fuck up.


I am pretty certain that they were going for a cheap laugh at the expense of the Royal Family, not to humiliate some random "Jane Doe".


Thank you!


I think that there was a case recently where a royal did take action, but I can't remember what it was for.

Off-topic, but I think it was Prince Harry naked photos being published.


Now, you said something about not knowing what goes on in someone's life.... Well of course we don't know these things. Does that mean that if I'm having a bad day and some random telemarketer calls me and annoys or upsets me and then as a result I'm in a shit mood and go and pick a fight with my husband, or beat on my kids that it's their fault?? NO, does it fuck!

Again, thank you! You're one of the few people in this thread who seem to be making sense. Sometimes, I think people are just so afraid of saying something when a person commits suicide, it's one of those taboo subjects.


I am not saying what the dj's did was correct or ok in any way, but neither is a witch hunt.

Again, thank you!


It was clearly public embarassment for the entertainment of others.


It was their intent to humiliate, harass, intimidate and bully someone.


Like WMM said, humiliating her was exactly what they were gunning for.

See what Mazza said, above.


Suicide is absolutely not the 'easy way out'. Suicide occurs when the mind has no where else to turn but upon itself.

Exactly! When the mind has nowhere to turn to but upon itself, isn't that saying that the person has only one choice that they see as the obvious choice? Thus making it easy for them? They regard themselves as useless and all of these negative things fill their minds. When you've got nothing left in this world, how can you say it's not easy to take your life? Like I said before, a suicidal person has two options: continue living their miserable life, or nothingness. Any logical person would choose nothingness.

As for her being a weak person, I think people think that when the living say that of the suicidal, that we're looking down on them. I can't speak for everyone, but that is certainly not the case for me. I doubt I would be able to hold up if I was depressed with demons in my head, I am simply making an observation that the suicidal couldn't handle their demons, not that I could.

Ah yes, that makes sense. Thank you!

WellMadeMale - I doubt it was their intention to intimidate, harass or bully her. Nor do I think they meant to humiliate her, I think they just wanted to call somewhere where they had no access and get a laugh out of it. I'm sure most people understand the appeal of gaining access to somewhere you're not supposed to have access to. It's why so many hackers just hack for the thrill of it and certainly not to humiliate the people they hacked. If the nurse hadn't taken her life, people would just be talking about how the hospital is not worthy of its reputation, and if you think they're evil for ruining the hospital's reputation, then ask yourself if you'd be saying the same thing, had they revealed the incompetence of a politician who later took his life. I do NOT believe they did it, consciously thinking, "ha, how funny would it be if we could make this woman look stupid on national radio?"
As for knowing the rest of my story, what the hell is that supposed to mean? You do not know me at all. To assume you know me because of a look at my profile is entirely wrong.

As malebox says, what she did is insufficient reason to take her life. It's possible that the prank didn't even play a minor part in her decision and I'd be willing to bet that. Just because it happened immediately after the media attention, that doesn't imply any causation.

principessa - Please deconstruct my driving analogy! You do however, make a good point about the fact that they didn't think this through, even barring the suicide. They put people's jobs at risk, breached a sick person's privacy, etc. That, however, was the only thing they did wrong.

deadlogger - If we are basing our actions on what can go wrong, then you should just stay inside today. Probably just lay in bed. So much goes wrong in one day.

elitfromnorth - Her blood is on her own hands. That's sad and tragic, but it's the truth. If she really took her life over taking the call and not having anything to do with the security issue, then she probably would have taken it tomorrow anyway.

chefkathleen - I understand why you'd be pissed at the selfishness of a suicidal person, but we need to think about both sides. Maybe the pain they're experiencing is more than the pain the family will experience if they died. Sometimes, people's lives are just shitty and they see no way out of the situation. Depression is a mental illness and many people don't understand it like they do physical illnesses. They say things like, "stop moaning, you've got everything in life", or, "just do some things to take your mind off it", or, "cheer up, it's not the end of the world!" The problem is, depression can happen to anyone, no matter what they've got and depressed people stop enjoying the things they used to like doing. The dopamine just doesn't hit their brain and they can't just "cheer up". They are in a rut and see no way out of it. When you're in that much pain, the last thing on your mind is anyone else. Sometimes, they feel as though their friends/family doesn't understand them or doesn't care, which is especially easy to think when they're telling you to cheer up or "suck it up, because everyone has problems and is stressed."

All that being said, suicide *is* the easy way out. When you're depressed though, I wouldn't blame you. There's *no shame* in taking the easy way. I'm betting many of you drive, or use lifts, or like to automate things. The easy way out is the logical way out.

SUMMARY
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- She took the easy way out - I don't blame her.
- The DJs likely had nothing to do with her suicide. If you listen to the call, she actually did nothing wrong. Plus, it was her own choice to end her life.
- The DJs weren't looking to humiliate anyone, but instead the thrill of gaining access to an unauthorised area.
- The DJs are to blame for not thinking this through - the suicide is not the whole story, they DID breach a sick person's privacy and endanger jobs.
- While I'm not a fan of the Royal family (for various reasons we won't get into), I commend them for not complaining to the hospital about something they had a right to complain about.

That's a good point, but I've found that people aren't often up for a one-to-one sexytimes chat roleplaying. There's so many people all vying for attention. Omegle is simpler to get a sex chat, just use the necessary tag.

Emily was jolted awake by the sound of her alarm clock ringing. It was 7:48 - almost time for school. She tried to fall asleep again, desperate to go back to her dream. It was the same dream she'd been having every day for three weeks now. It involved her having hot, passionate sex with her English teacher, Mr Collins, whom she had been infatuated with since she met him about half a year ago...

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