Forum posts made by byronlord

Topic A religion wants to change beach attire laws
Posted 08 Jan 2014 13:35

Thank you titaniumcufflinks. I probably didn't make myself clear, but my point was "heard on the radio this morning" etc., is not proof to me that "a certain religion wants to make women cover up on the beach". Until I have better bonifides than that, it sounds a lot like just an imflamatory remark. As I see from the responses here, it does generate a lot of varied opinions. I also quite agree with ByronLord and Sandrita48. Just saying.

The lack of self-examination seems to be the norm here.

Yesterday I was at a meeting of the New World Order and we had the usual blather from a US general complaining about Brazil which has just called a big conference on governance of the Internet as a direct response to the Snowden/NSA leaks.

General: "What has Brazil done to further human rights recently?"

Me: "Well in 1985 they removed the military dictatorship that murdered tens of thousands of fellow citizens and served as the model for similar regimes across Latin America that were also installed with the active involvement of the CIA and NSA."

General: "Do you think they hate America for it?"

Me: "No General, I think they hate senior military officers who consider themselves beyond accountability."

Perhaps there is a reason I don't get invited very often.

Topic The fake Benghazzzzi scandal
Posted 01 Jan 2014 19:10

Do you think if your a parent to one of the four Americans killed in the attack you deserve an answer to some of the obvious questions? Than to have Hillary at a congressional meeting make the comment "what difference does it make" when she was in a position to deliver the answers to these questions. Who ever wins the next election is going to find themselves in a very difficult position with this country being more than likely over 20 trillion in debt behind a president that promised to cut it in half and totally belittled the president before him for what he did to the debt. Hope and change is more than likely the main theme for who ever runs. Republicans will always be criticized for holding back congress but when you look at our debt level the reason is pretty obvious people will wonder why they didn't do more.

Since I have worked in intelligence, no. Everyone who goes on active duty in a war zone understands that there are risks.

Claiming that Hilary was referring to the deaths when she asked what 'difference does it make' is a contemptible lie. She was referring to the Republican claim that there was a coverup because the administration did not accept the Republican party version of events.

George W Bush caused the deaths of 7000 american military, a larger number of US contractors and 500,000 Iraqi civilians and nobody in the Republican party has ever cared a damn or asked a question.

And as for the debt, it was the tax cuts for the rich, the unfunded GOP war and the financial crisis caused by GOP regulators not doing their job that ran up the debt.

Topic The fake Benghazzzzi scandal
Posted 31 Dec 2013 15:53

For over a year now, the Republican party has been trying to tell us that the Administration lied in the initial reports of what happened in Benghazi and that there has been a cover up.

Bow it turns out that the administration did not immediately tell the whole truth, the building that was attacked was actually a CIA facility, not a diplomatic post. But over the weekend the NYT printed a story that completely backs up the administration account in every respect. There is no evidence of Al Qaeda involvement and protests against a bigoted You Tube video played a role in the attack.

Now obviously we don't know what happened for certain and will probably never know exactly what happened. And just like the terrorist movements of the 1970s, there are certainly links between the various groups with similar or shared goals. So we could argue as to whether one of the groups involved was an Al Qaeda affiliate or was more distantly connected.

But I really can't see how the Republican party manage to move from the claim that their version of events has not been proved to be conclusively wrong that they made in response to the NYT story and their original claim that the administration lied and covered up.

Why are we meant to be outraged that the CIA talking points were modified to remove references to Al Qaeda when over a year later there is still no conclusive evidence that Al Qaeda was involved?

It seems to me that if a politician is trying to argue that someone has lied then they need to provide conclusive evidence that their version of events is correct and the stated version of events was known to be false. Claiming that the alternative version of events could be true does not seem very convincing.

Does anyone really expect this to stop Clinton getting the 2016 nomination or winning the WH? It can see that it would cause Fox News watching rubes to open their pockets and send some fake campaign organization fifty bucks. But how is it meant to change the electoral outcome?

Topic A religion wants to change beach attire laws
Posted 30 Dec 2013 19:32


So you think it's ok for people to go to the USA and be subversive just because they think that the government is obnoxious?

Yep, sure do. And the US has been doing that to the rest of the planet for years.

What is different is that I don't believe that we have the right to force that change with bombs, bullets and threats of murder. Which makes me different from both Al Qaeda and the US military.

Topic A religion wants to change beach attire laws
Posted 30 Dec 2013 16:55


Whilst I agree with most of what you say, I feel that people of other religious beliefs should not come to a country and try to change it! If I were to move to another country I'd show more respect for their laws and traditions. I would not move to a country where it is illegal to be gay and then expect them to change the law. I would support those that lived there and wanted to bring about change!

I disagree. When I visit a country with an obnoxious government it is generally with the objective of undermining and eliminating it. So I can hardly complain

On the other hand, there aren't many obnoxious governments left and of those none that I can safely visit so its not much of an issue.

Topic A religion wants to change beach attire laws
Posted 30 Dec 2013 16:55


Well in the UK the biggest Department Store chain was allowing Muslims to refuse to sell alcohol and pork to customers in the foodhall! That's not an exaggeration, my point would be don't work there, don't apply for the job! I couldn't see it happening in USA but then again who'd of thought prohibition would ever happen there?

It was only one branch and it is just as haram to work for a business that sells pork as to handle the sake directly.

I just joined the church of the papal mainframe where nudity is required for all services (google it if you don't believe me).

Making idiot demands of everyone else to observe religious taboos is an old game for spreading religious bigotry. It isn't tolerance to give in when doing so forces everyone else into observance, rather it is the opposite. Especially when the taboos they are trying to spread are sexist.

And no, Islam does not respect women specially or any such twaddle any more than Christianity did before the sexist bigotry started to be dumped a hundred years ago.

Topic What is the GOP going to tell all those people they denied Obamacare?
Posted 09 Dec 2013 17:25

Now that Healthcare.gov is working and people are starting to sign up, a sizable number of people are discovering that they won't be covered because their governor opted out of the Medicare expansion that covers the working poor that make too much to qualify under the old rules but too little to buy insurance even with subsidies.

There will be about 5 million people in this group and they all live in the swing states or Republican states. The ACA requires states to extend Medicare to this group but the partisan Supreme court decided that democracy was too good for poor people to benefit from. That was trumpeted as a victory at the time but it could hurt the GOP badly in 2014.

I can see the attack ads now. A picture of a Republican who opposed the expansion, a picture of someone who was unable to buy healthcare, their grave and weeping kids. Times about 100,000 which is about the number of people the GOP will manage to kill with this policy. The message will be very loud and very clear: The GOP healthcare plan is that if you a poor and get sick, you die.

Another group of about 10 million in those same states is the people who will only have health insurance because of Obamacare. Some of those might well have preferred to continue to free ride but the overwhelming number of people who are getting access seem to approve.

All of this might well result in a rather different outcome for the mid terms than the GOP was banking on.

Topic I Am An Atheist. (Does that offend you?)
Posted 02 Dec 2013 21:07



http://i.imgur.com/87Ybt.jpg

While Homer's response is apposite, Pascal's original contention was that he would lose nothing through a belief in God.

I find the claim false because belief is not a voluntary process, it is not a choice. To claim the existence of a deity that can create a Universe as large as ours and then spend time tormenting souls over some egotistical issue like that seems completely illogical.

But the bigger problem is that the consequence of such a belief is to spend one's life bowing and scraping to priests and/or other self appointed intermediaries of said deity which seems equally ridiculous. Why would God set up a git like L Ron Hubbard as his sole representative on earth? Does the length of time for which claims of that kind have been made make them any more credible? Not to me.

Topic I Am An Atheist. (Does that offend you?)
Posted 02 Dec 2013 21:00

He shows time and time again to be surprised what his words bring about. I find it more reasonable to think that he was unpleasantly surprised by the response he got and the direction the debate was heading that he decided to refrain from any more comments. I can even imagine that some people close to him advised him no to respond anymore.
But even if he knew what the outcome would be then still he would be only responsible for his own actions, right? Not for the rape and death threats made by others.

Really? If I knew someone in that situation my strong recommendation would be to clear up any misunderstanding and retract immediately and condemn the people threatening violence. It is not as if his 'Dear Muslima' post was particularly insightful and the anti-muslim sentiments he expresses are borderline racist in any case.

He is certainly guilty of an act of omission here if not outright commission. I find his behavior inexcusable. More to the point, so does much of the atheist community at this point.

Topic I Am An Atheist. (Does that offend you?)
Posted 02 Dec 2013 10:58



I don't know where you got your information from, but Evolutionary Psychology is nothing more than the study of behaviors and mental faculties from an evolutionary perspective. Just like evolutionary theories in general study why and how species adapt, evolutionary psychology studies why and how such faculties develop through evolution.

It doesn't support eugenics more than evolutionary theories in general do.

Also the term 'Freudians' is quite dated. Few psychologists today rely only on the ideas of Freud ; most in fact reject them.


That was the point, people reject Freud and eugenics because it is pseudo science.

When skeptics are talking about Evo Psych they are referring to one particular school which tries to 'explain' results of modern day psychology experiments in exclusively evolutionary terms. So they ignore all the social and cultural factors that might have led to the result and instead make up a 'just so' story on the African Savannah.

The studies are junk because there is no way to separate out biological and cultural effects rigorously and there is no way to test the purported evolutionary cause. Moreover the claim that adaptation effectively ended 100,000 years ago has been repeatedly debunked.

There are some very broad evolutionary adaptations that are generally accepted as valid but none that are unique to Homo Sapiens. So parental investment theory that supposes a female mammal has a greater interest in mate selection than a male seems sound but that theory applies to rats, mice, cats, dogs, etc. not just humans.

Every powerful theory attracts cranks and charlatans. They are just easier to dismiss in physics than biology.

Topic I Am An Atheist. (Does that offend you?)
Posted 01 Dec 2013 19:31

He made a stupid remark indeed (or two I believe), but to suggest that he did it to encourage his supporters to post extremely nasty attacks on his behalf seems rather far fetched. The explosion of misogynist crap was already unfolding when he posted his comments. Can you backup your claim that his intentions went beyond the comments themselves?

Actually the death and rape threats only started after he intervened but it was already nasty. He knows what his words incited and he hasn't said a thing since. So he is responsible regardless of what his original intentions might have been.

Topic I Am An Atheist. (Does that offend you?)
Posted 01 Dec 2013 07:13

When we think about what it is that offends us about people's belief systems, or what bothers us about how others define our own, it's never the beliefs themselves, it's always the baggage that comes with it. The essence of a belief in a God, or an adherence to atheism- those are personal and benign. The judgmental brushes we tend to paint with are based more on an abusive, coercive Catholic education, fundamentalist authoritarian parents, haughty know-it-alls peddling Hitchens and Dawkins talking points, theocratic regimes that crack down on citizens or sponsor terror, etc.


Dawkins is boycotted by the younger part of the Atheist movement at this point. The crux of the matter is that Dawkins is a prima donna who can't bear to share a stage with anyone who might one day outrank him. So he refuses to speak at conferences if certain other people are on the agenda.

There is also a pretty ugly form of eugenics style ideology that he supports called Evolutionary Psychology he peddles. It is not real science, it is a pseudo science but they have their own journals and pass it off as science. Their behavior is very similar to the Freudians who also insisted on being called scientists. What they do is take a small scale psychology study and then interpret the results as being caused by entirely speculative guesses about evolutionary processes.

Unlike the Freduians, the Evo Psych people do have falsifiable theories, but the fact is that they have been falsified. But the reason that people like Evo Psych is that they can come to any racist of sexist conclusion that they like and call it 'science'. The atheist scene attracts some rather unpleasant Libertarian types who fancy themselves as Nietzschean supermen but frankly don't have the intellectual chops to make the argument.

Dawkins got into a rather unpleasant fight with Rebecca Watson a couple of years ago after Watson politely suggested that it was not a good idea to proposition women in an elevator at 4am in the morning. His response was pretty despicable and seems to have been calculated to encourage his supporters to post extremely nasty attacks on his behalf.

So while Dawkins is the public face of Atheism, he is persona non grata in much of the atheist movement.

Topic I Am An Atheist. (Does that offend you?)
Posted 30 Nov 2013 19:20

Stalin was an atheist too.

This is a classic example of ad hominem reasoning however, a logical fallacy. Only back in the day it was lack of faith in the pagan Gods that was evidence of whatever.

Marxism was pretty much a religion. It certainly had all the worst elements of religion. Even Karl Marx himself couldn't stand them. "All I know is I am not a Marxist"

Topic I Am An Atheist. (Does that offend you?)
Posted 30 Nov 2013 19:07



I don't think anyone has a problem with their taxes helping the poor... I think it is the fact that there are no good checks and balances to stop the abuse of the program... The scary thing right now is that 46% of the US pays taxes... 47% collects some kind of Government assistance? Does that math work?

Of that 47%, the vast majority are either children or seniors who have retired. The way the Republicans complain about that situation makes me wonder if they want to send children down the mines to work or let old people starve by stealing their social security pensions or both.

Of the rest, a staggering 860,000 members of the working poor all work for Walmart earning less than $25K/year. Walmart is the biggest welfare scrounger in the country which has found a way to get the taxpayer to subsidize its employees by paying them starvation wages and telling them how to sign up for food stamps.

Here is an idea, how about the government tax companies that have more than 5000 employees on food stamps to recoup the cost of the government benefits. 860K workers and a surcharge of $5K a head would be over $4 billion/yr in extra federal taxes from Walmart alone.

Or how about raising the minimum wage so that corporate scroungers like Walmart have to pay a living wage in the first place? $15 sounds like a good level to me.

Topic How long should a paragraph be?
Posted 29 Nov 2013 17:35

At least five words.

Topic Do I have to fuck everbody?
Posted 19 Nov 2013 10:13

OK im new here, but do i have to fuck anybody with a decent avitar, so i dont offend them? Just asking.

Hmm, I guess you have discovered now that sarcasm does not work too well on the Internet, it tends to just roll off people.

Some of the men here are complete idiots.

Topic Was there a time before the universe came to exist?
Posted 19 Nov 2013 05:55

Whether you accept that the universe began with a big bang or not, what was 'before' the universe?' Was there just nothing? But if there was nothing, where did the matter and energy come from?


Time has no meaning before the universe comes into existence. The big bang does not just create matter, it creates space and time as well.

Topic Time to Ban and Burn confederate flags
Posted 19 Nov 2013 05:50

Some folks really need to learn their history ( not the revisionist crap they teach in schools these days) The Civil War started over states rights slavery didn't become the main issue until Lincoln issued the Emaciation Proclamation

Utter bollocks.

The reason that the southern states succeeded was the elites that owned the plantations and the slaves feared that Lincoln would issue an emancipation proclamation after being elected on an anti-slavery platform.

Slavery was the alpha and omega of the Southern cause.

Of course ignorant people tell others to 'learn their history'. They have been brainwashed by the segregationist propaganda they were taught in southern schools.

Next you will be telling us that the civil rights movement was not opposing racism.

Topic Time to Ban and Burn confederate flags
Posted 19 Nov 2013 05:26

Showing up to one of these rallies with a Confederate flag sounds like an excellent way for progressives to discredit the tea party.

For those of us in the North there really is little difference between showing the Confederate flag and the swastika, they were both created to stand for exactly the same thing.

Which is of course something these people know because their only interest is tribal politics and upsetting other people. Thats why they do the whole anti-gay, anti-latino hate thing and why they try to stop 'darkies' and women voting with their VoterID laws.

Right now there are a bunch of Tea Party hackers trying to bring down Healthcare.gov so that they can prevent people from getting health insurance and kill them. What a charming bunch they are. And the Republican party bows down before these racist thugs.

Topic The Cost Of Ethanol
Posted 12 Nov 2013 09:33

Ethanol from corn is not a green fuel, it takes as much gas to make as it produces.

Ethanol from sugar cane is much better but cane can't be grown easily in the US.

The subsidy is just a sop to primary voters in the state that always gets to hold the first caucus. Though it has started to become a pattern that candidates who know they are not likely to do well in Iowa will run against corn subsidies so as to have an alibi.

There are many green technologies that work very well. Wind works great, I look forward to Cape Wind being planted right in the center of the Kennedy compound, the selfish bastards. Solar is getting a lot cheaper a lot faster than anyone expected (which is why high cost manufacturers went out of business). Corn ethanol is not one of them unfortunately.

Corn ethanol might be a future means of producing chemical feedstock for making plastics but it will be a long time before that will be desirable or economic.

Topic Time to throw out Congress?
Posted 11 Oct 2013 08:14

Sprite, first the people in Congress are still getting paid and they are also exempt from the new Heath care legislation "Obamacare". I will agree that the tea party are off base but the left wing of the democrats are just as much to blame, two parties, different cheeks on the same ass, fleck the whole lot of them, none of them has any of us as their priority, only their self serving asses.

Actually 80% of the country is exempt. If you already have healthcare and don't lose it because you lose your job then nothing changes. You keep your old insurance. Same for virtually all government workers.

The only exception is members of congress and their staff who are required to leave the government scheme and buy healthcare on the exchanges. Which was a grandstanding measure put in there by a Republican who expected it to go during the conference stage but there was never a conference.

This would have meant the staffers lost their government subsidy on their health care which would have left many badly out of pocket. Staffers don't get paid very well compared to members of congress, most of whom are millionaires. So the administration decided that they get paid a bit extra in recognition of the fact that they have lost a valuable benefit.

Some Republicans have been trying to change this but the GOP staffers have been leaking stuff like crazy on the ones who proposed it. They are true self-servatives.

Topic Help with Obama/Clinton Health Law
Posted 11 Oct 2013 05:03

I live in Massachusetts where the same evil socialist scheme was visited on us years ago by that evil communist Mitt Romney.

The Republicans have botched their response to health care from the start. At every step they have only been interested in scoring political points and beating the President. This when 48 million people have no health insurance and many end up bankrupt and the rest of us end up paying for the treatment in higher hospital bills.

Instead of constructively trying to make the bill better they obstructed at every turn. The demagogued the bill despite the fact that it was nearly the same as Romney's Masscare plan. They have blocked every attempt to make technical changes to revise the original bill. They have repeatedly lied about being prepared to consider other proposals.And now they have shut down the government demanding that Obamacare be 'delayed' for a year, knowing full well that would mean ending it

This has nothing to do with health care and everything to do with their party interest and their fear of the Koch brothers. We saw that this week, when the Koch bros wrote a letter saying don't default on the debt over obamacare they snapped their heels, saluted and started talking about a surrender. Only now they are finding that they might not be able to without the risk of a split in the party and the Tea Party emerging as a third party - which would kill their chances in the House.

They are total fools who bet on a weak hand. The government is not going to default but we could see the banks shut down next week, and the markets. And the GOP will take all the blame because in the end they are going to lose and lose really bad. And they are going to lose because the country knows that they put their party interest and their personal interest ahead of the country and nobody likes that apart from the brainwashed fools who listen to Fox.

Topic Malala - Nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize
Posted 08 Oct 2013 13:42

What has not been mentioned is that she is now returning to continue her campaign for freedom of education for females even though she had been told that it will probably mean her death. To me this prize is nothing compared to her courage.

The Taliban which ironically enough means teacher is an evil that has to be stamped out so these young women can feel educated and safe.

I don't think she is returning, not according to the World Service interview she gave yesterday.

We need to get the price of technology down so that it is not possible for the reactionaries to stop children from getting an education by shutting down the schools.

It is not just the girls, the Taleban tries to keep ignorant. They want to limit boys to a crap Madrassa education where all they do is learn the Koran by rote and some bigot's interpretations of it. That isn't learning knowledge.

Tablet PCs and WiFi are a powerful learning tool and they are pretty hard to suppress.

Topic No sex after 40.. Really Miley?
Posted 08 Oct 2013 12:40

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/9255948/Miley-Cyrus-Sex-stops-at-40

How do you feel about the younger generation and their idea's on sex.

And you young ones (Under 40) whats your take on the older generation in regards to sex?

I was just musing the other day that I really don't consider myself to be middle aged and probably never will.

In Miley's case I think the cause of her 'issues' has probably got rather more to do with wanting to escape the suffocating clutches of Disney corp and their rather 1950s corporate outlook.

The child stars on Nickelodeon seem to (mostly) handle the transition to normal live rather better than the Disney kids do when they grow up. Well apart from poor Amanda who really just needs a good hug.

I can't quite see Miranda Crosgrove feeling the need to do Twerking.

Topic Gay marriage
Posted 06 Oct 2013 21:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTEN2EANxNA

Topic Can anyone recommend a good vibrator pleeeeaaase...?
Posted 06 Oct 2013 21:13

Hitachi magic wand. nothing better.

The Hitachi magic wand certainly wins all the reviews I have ever seen for a mains operated vibe.

For battery operated, the lelo range gets most positive reviews. Particularly the Ina. But they are pricey.

Topic Have you made "enough money" ?
Posted 29 Sep 2013 19:17



What a retarded statement... Because every athlete, recording artist, computer genius, movie star, successful restauranteur, award winning chef, wallstreet shark, best selling novelist, ceo, contractor, etc all had rich and powerful parents?

You sound like someone looking to blame something else besides yourself for your lot in life.


There is upward mobility but the clear majority of super rich people were born rich. At least three quarters of the billionaires and the rich list are born super rich. Yes, there are a few lottery winners who make it into the super rich. But life is not a morality tale.

The folk who get up my nose are the rich people who live off government handouts. Like the various members of Congress who collect farming subsidies. Or the Walton family who get the rest of us to subsidize their workforce with foodstamps because Walmart pays starvation wages.

Not having to worry about money helps a lot. I was able to take a lot of risks in my career because I did not need money to support my parents or anyone else.

As for how much is 'enough'. It takes about $2 million to retire and live comfortably off the income. More than $10 million and it is just an abstraction.

Topic Do you think Black Boxing is "Privating " with some on her on Lush?
Posted 23 Sep 2013 13:00

I think it should be possible to press a button on the black box interface and have it present as private chat regardless of what the other person has as their setting.

Black boxes just get confusing. The chat interface is just a better way of organizing the conversation.

Topic Schoolgirl dead after online bullying
Posted 18 Sep 2013 20:00

I have seen reports on quite a few of these bullying cases in the line of work. Every one had something else going on.

Depression is really dangerous.

Its like the idiots trying to blame mass shootings on video games rather than the guns.

Topic When Do You Think Water Will Be Worth More Than Gold?
Posted 16 Sep 2013 10:00

The price of freshwater will never be much more than the cost of making it from seawater via reverse osmosis.