Forum posts made by callidus

Topic Incest Stories on LS
Posted 17 Sep 2012 20:48

What I am trying to communicate is that you are wilfully blind to the damage that incest, abuse, rape and violence do in reality, by prettying it up under the guise of fantasy. It is disingenuous of you to pretend it is anything else.

I have been very clear. We will not agree about this.
How can you reasonably claim that I'm blind to the damage that rape causes when I've witnessed the damage? You seem to not understand the difference between reality and fantasy if you equate fantasy with reality. This is obviously becoming a circle, but I don't think the problem is that we disagree on what's what. We disagree on presuming we owe thinking or not thinking about a topic which, outside of our head, actually hurts people. You seem to think that entertaining thoughts which, if they were real, would hurt people, should be avoided. If I can draw a parallel, though, do you play any fantasy games? Games where killing people with swords, or guns, or anything, is a common activity, central to the game? Should we not play those games, which don't actually hurt anyone, simply because there are people alive who have been in wars and have PTSD from it?

Topic Incest Stories on LS
Posted 17 Sep 2012 19:36

That is the problem with your point of view. It is reality and nothing can change that. Your logic implies that if you fantasize, it makes it so. Nothing will take away the pain and ugliness of the reality. Fantasizing does not make it so.

I'm not sure I understand what you're even saying, here. I'm fully aware that my fantasies are not reality. That's why I call them fantasies instead of my life. I also don't remember saying I was trying to fix reality. If someone doesn't want to fantasize about something, there's no reason to think they'd start doing it just because I shared my fantasy. Still, though, much of the middle of that sentence didn't make sense to me. Exactly what is it that you're trying to communicate?

Topic Incest Stories on LS
Posted 17 Sep 2012 19:19

I am the owner.

I made the rules based on what I am comfortable with personally, and what I believe the majority of people who wish to read erotica, will also be comfortable with.

The incest stories are borderline for me, however I've explained at length as to why they are allowed (thank you Shylass for the link).

If you wish to see what happens when a site is totally unmoderated, go to google and type xnxx stories. There you can read the most disgusting stories imaginable.

Thank you. That ends my curiosity on the subject entirely. My question is officially answered.

Topic Incest Stories on LS
Posted 17 Sep 2012 19:18

I will be blunt, Callidus. You approach this from the point of view of fantasy. Do you have any idea what it is like to be the victim of a rape, or sexual abuse as a child, or violence? Or has that happened to anyone close to you? I suspect not. If it had these questions would not have been asked and you would have accepted the answers that have been graciously provided to you.

The reality of rape, abuse, and violence is not pretty or artistic or the stuff of fantasy. It is ugly and painful and criminal, and far more prevalent than any of us would like to think. Frankly, whether you accept this or not, whether it makes sense to you or not, does not matter. You have a choice to stay and be member within these parameters or leave and find a rape or snuff or pedophile site that appeals to you more.

In fact I do know several people who have been the victim of several of the things you listed, so there goes that theory of yours. Yes, I approach this from the view of fantasy... because the subject matter is fantasies. Fantasies about things which, in real life, are horrible and painful. That's the beauty of fantasy, it's not reality.

I haven't left yet. In fact, I am grateful for the actual answers I've been receiving to my questions. I am not thankful for presumptuous attacks on the validity of the discussion. My questions are sincere. I'm looking for answers and attempting to understand something. Help me, or don't.

If you don't mind some conjecture, it seems, to me, that rape stories are not allowed because some members seem to get offended at the mere mention of them. If those members are at all representative of the group, then I completely understand why they're not allowed.

Yes, I am slightly upset because some of my stories inch into these taboo areas, because I like to write about things specifically because those things cannot happen, or I would be morally opposed to them. I can explore them only in fantasy, so I do. I have a few relatively safe stories to share here, but I'm ultimately upset that I have to censor myself to make sure I don't break a rule that I don't empathize with.

Yet, I am okay with the rule, since this is not my site. It simply makes writing harder, because I must artificially avoid certain topics.

Topic Incest Stories on LS
Posted 17 Sep 2012 18:44

Oh, and think of this – if your publishing those kind of stories, you are going to attract those kinds of readers. This is more than just a story site, it’s became a community, unlike a lot of story sites. You really want what amounts to sex offenders or wanna be sex offenders roaming the chat rooms and forums, friending you, leaving posts on your wall of really vile stuff? Do you?

If it's about trying to maintain the current community, then I understand. The current community likes things the way they are, so rules are in place to keep it that way. Thank you, that makes sense. However, it's presumptuous to think that the only people who are interested in stories about a particular subject are people who would really do it in real life. I'm sure people who do it in real life would likely enjoy stories about it, too, but just because somebody likes a particular fantasy, it doesn't mean they would ever consider doing it in real life. I have no actual experience running a site, but I've read comments on stories of that type before, and it never seemed any of them were all that horrible.

So, as it is, we let incest stories in, as long as it’s understood that they are fictional fantasies, and they are between legal aged consenting adults. That’s where the line gets drawn. I think that most of us are happy with that. The alternative would be to go backwards and instead of opening the site up to other catagories, ban incest stories. I think that would make a lot of people unhappy. Is that what you want? Simply slash and burn every single incest story from the site? Cause I guarantee you, that will happen before Rape stories are allowed here.

You keep qualifying things with something like "as long as it’s understood that they are fictional fantasies". Of course they're fictional fantasies. I fail to see why it's okay for one taboo subject "as long as it’s understood that they are fictional fantasies", but not another taboo subject "as long as it’s understood that they are fictional fantasies". They're all fiction. None of it is real. That's what makes it fantasy. I'm not even trying to argue for any action to be made, it just seems like a disconnect. It doesn't seem like a decision which was made on the grounds of reason, but, rather, the biases of some group. If that group is the community at large, by all means, keep them. It simply doesn't make sense to me.

And that, I hope, answers your question?
It did, thank you very much.

Topic Incest Stories on LS
Posted 17 Sep 2012 17:56

Ummmm I don't know......THE LAW!
Which law?

Topic Incest Stories on LS
Posted 17 Sep 2012 17:54

hey, answered your own question! cool!

... No. Just because a person with authority has made a rule, that they made it is not, in itself, the reason they made it. Claiming otherwise isn't even circular reasoning, because you never got to the second thing!

Topic Incest Stories on LS
Posted 17 Sep 2012 16:34

Thank you, but I'm still curious why there are so many limits in the first place. I certainly don't deny that the owners of the website may make whatever rules they wish, I'm curious why they did it, though. Except for true stories, all stories are an exploration of fantasy, of the things you wouldn't do in real life, hence writing about them. What's the purpose of these rules?

Topic Incest Stories on LS
Posted 17 Sep 2012 10:44

I'm also curious about this subject. Why is incest allowed, but not rape? I could hypothesize that it's because incest, while taboo, is still between two consenting adults, which is a major deal. However, there's also some BDSM stories I can think of which border on rape, giving us a fuzzy gradient. If it's as simple as one person being currently unwilling, that's a pretty definite line to draw. If it's the number 1 guiding principle, then that would explain why incest is allowed.

As an aside, for what reason are rape fantasies not permitted, granting they could easily be required to include a warning of some kind? I mean, all of these stories are fantasies, so why put any limits on them? Is it simply to appeal to the largest number of people as a whole?

Topic Do You Get Annoyed?
Posted 16 Sep 2012 22:39

Sometimes I get suggestions from people who have no idea what the characters are like, what their motivations are, what their habits are, and what their weaknesses are. They make suggestions that just plain don't fit the story. I love suggestions. Even if I never use them, they might give me ideas in other stories, or even an idea for a fresh, new story. When these people take my characters and try to turn them into something they're not, though... that irritates me. Fortunately, I don't have to take their suggestions.

Topic Before You Submit?
Posted 16 Sep 2012 22:34

After finding erotic stories online, I got tired of not finding just what I was looking for, so I wrote one myself. Initially, my stories were for me. Then, I found a site where I could upload them and, why not? So, basically, I write for me, and then share it with others.

The process itself is usually simply me getting an idea for a sexy story. I run with it, with little functional planning. I create characters, put them in situations, and see how they react to eachother. I think it works marvelously if you try to make believable characters, but I have the problem of losing interest with stories before they're finished. That's a pickle, because I either leave it unfinished, which is unfulfilling, or I half-ass it, which is also unfulfilling. Writing stories where the end is already planned makes it much easier, but then it leaves the end closed to exploration without a bunch of sequels, also not appealing.

Topic Which Viewpoint do you use and why?
Posted 16 Sep 2012 22:24

I almost always use first person so that that person's thoughts and feelings can be explored. It's far easier to identify with a character who you know what they're thinking and feeling. Also, even though I'm a man, I've tended to write from the woman's perspective more. It's more erotic when the main character is the woman because, I think, they cannot be coy and hide something from you when you know their very thoughts. I can make the woman mentally attractive, and it's patently that way to the reader.