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tazznjazz
Posted: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 1:26:47 PM

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All religion's belief's should be taught [ including Pagonisim] so that tolerance and understanding of world wide beliefs are better understood, but It should be an elective class.
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they teach fiction in English classes - kind of the same thing :)


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Posted: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 2:46:04 PM

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For those who are for teaching creationism in science classes, I'd like them to publish a scientific paper on how Jesus changed water into wine. Same source, same proof, same category.
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Creationism is something that I feel cant be taught it's the individual that can become creative.

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Here's the problem with teaching creationism in public school....

Most organized religions have their own "version" of creation and it's very easy to both mix them up and offend or upset other groups.

Some who believe in creationism don't believe in the existence in dinosaurs, regardless of the scientific facts (I so wish I was making this shit up, but my ex-mother-in-law believes this)

Those who don't believe in "creationism" would be out of place.

If they want to teach creationism, then it must be presented as a "theory" like the big bang or evolution. Even though there is proof of some form of evolution, there is no definitive proof it's the 100% right answer. Of course... this will incur the wrath of parents.

Then of course there is the whole separate of church and state issue that I won't waste my time writing or your time reading.

Oh yeah... and before I incur hate mail... I am a public school teacher and I've had kids share with me their beliefs. I have learned to get the kids to "agree to disagree" as it's not worth my job to talk theology except when necessary.

Science can teach theories, as long as parents know the teacher is trying to present a balanced front of all the theories pertaining to how the Earth came into being.


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tazznjazz wrote:
All religion's belief's should be taught [ including Pagonisim] so that tolerance and understanding of world wide beliefs are better understood, but It should be an elective class.


That would be nice... but good luck getting parents to go along with it. Sadly, not all will.

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Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012 5:48:33 AM

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NEVER NEVER NEVER. Too many religious bigots in this world.......if you're going to do that why stop therre?. Flat Earth Society anyone, Scientology perhaps ?
As for teaching it as a science......god help us all if that level of ignorance takes over.
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Would be an interesting class wouldn't it?

Teacher: Ok, kids, the sun is the center of our universe. As the Earth rotates around the sun, it also spins and wobbles. Spinning on it's axis is what decides whether it's night or day, depending on whether the side of the Earth you are on faces the sun or not. Similarly, when the sun shines on the moon, it makes the moon bright on the side that faces the moon. The wobbling is responsible for the seasons. When the Earth is tilted down, it is summer in the northern hemisphere, but winter in the southern hemisphere.

Now on the first day, God created the heavens and Earth, then created light and separated the night and day.

On day 2, God created land and separated the waters above and below. The water above it he called the sky.

On day 3, God created plants.

On day 4, God created the sun and moon, having the sun rule the day and the lesser light, the moon, rules the night.

On day 5, God created all the animals.

And on day 6, God created man.

Any questions? Yes Tommy?

Tommy: "You said that light comes from the sun. So if that's true, how did god make night and day before he made the sun? And how did all the plants live before there was a sun? And I don't understand, so the sky is made of water?


Teacher: Well you see Tommy, the story of God is a theory called creationism. All the rest is scientific fact?

Tommy: But you said a hypothesis was a theory until it had either been disproven or was supported a bunch of times, in which case it became law. So if all this scientific fact disproves it, isn't it no longer theory?

Teacher: Well yes, that's true, but all the Bible thumbers want you to be indoctrinated so we have to teach it, no matter how idiotic it sounds.











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Would be an interesting class wouldn't it?

Teacher: Ok, kids, the sun is the center of our universe. As the Earth rotates around the sun, it also spins and wobbles. Spinning on it's axis is what decides whether it's night or day, depending on whether the side of the Earth you are on faces the sun or not. Similarly, when the sun shines on the moon, it makes the moon bright on the side that faces the moon. The wobbling is responsible for the seasons. When the Earth is tilted down, it is summer in the northern hemisphere, but winter in the southern hemisphere.

Now on the first day, God created the heavens and Earth, then created light and separated the night and day.

On day 2, God created land and separated the waters above and below. The water above it he called the sky.

On day 3, God created plants.

On day 4, God created the sun and moon, having the sun rule the day and the lesser light, the moon, rules the night.

On day 5, God created all the animals.

And on day 6, God created man.

Any questions? Yes Tommy?

Tommy: "You said that light comes from the sun. So if that's true, how did god make night and day before he made the sun? And how did all the plants live before there was a sun? And I don't understand, so the sky is made of water?


Teacher: Well you see Tommy, the story of God is a theory called creationism. All the rest is scientific fact?

Tommy: But you said a hypothesis was a theory until it had either been disproven or was supported a bunch of times, in which case it became law. So if all this scientific fact disproves it, isn't it no longer theory?

Teacher: Well yes, that's true, but all the Bible thumbers want you to be indoctrinated so we have to teach it, no matter how idiotic it sounds.

Good example of confusion confounded.
Still Sun is not the center of Universe.











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sorry, solar system. But considering our lives depend on it, it certainly is to me.
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Of course not!

Kids should be taught 'about religion' with many examples of different religions, not religion itself. Like you'd want your kids to be taught about politics, not be rolled into a particular political party. Same thing.

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In a religious studies class or Christian private school, sure. In a science class in a public school? No. Science needs to be about real science.

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Evolution was taught in science classes for a private Christian school, why can't it be the other way? At least for a week?
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mentalcase wrote:
Evolution was taught in science classes for a private Christian school, why can't it be the other way? At least for a week?

Because creationism is not science. It's really that simple.
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Monocle wrote:

Because creationism is not science. It's really that simple.


Then the question should be should religion be taught in school?
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BluRootz wrote:

Then the question should be should religion be taught in school?


Comparative religion? History of religion? Sure.
Religious doctrine, or any one specific religion-as-law? No.
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It should be taught but as part of social studies to show the social impact of religion as a group effect on society but never as science or given the credence of being a credible theory.
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BluRootz wrote:


Then the question should be should religion be taught in school?


Excellent point. The answer is no...

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Monocle wrote:


Comparative religion? History of religion? Sure.
Religious doctrine, or any one specific religion-as-law? No.


Religious studies should be a elective in high school. Dangerous idea to be sure but young people should a better crasp on religions practice of all sorts to eliminate the current ignorance that plagues of youth about other cultures.
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BluRootz wrote:

Religious studies should be a elective in high school. Dangerous idea to be sure but young people should a better crasp on religions practice of all sorts to eliminate the current ignorance that plagues of youth about other cultures.


Study _about_ religion (and comparative religion at that) is fine and I agree a useful cultural education. Study of a single religion-as-law would be indoctrination and has no place in public education.
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Shhh My University (partly funded by Belgian Priests) maintains that education is not complete without proper integration of secular and religious knowledge and values thus Religion Classes (where the professor is a priest) is a requirement to graduate and is a continuous part of the university experience. Even during my high school days at a girls private school (run by nuns) though not a convert of such religious sect, the school requires each student to take religion classes, memorize the teachings and doctrines and take part in the activities. Creationism was discussed and even became a heated debate inside the classroom (Science versus Religion). In the end we learned to respect each others belief or non-belief and the school let the non-converts observe instead of actively participating in the class room discussion.

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No "ism's" should be taught in the educational system as subject matter, it should only be taught as a foot note in the history of mankind. We learn about communism,natzism and sexism in history so as to learn from our mistakes, creationism should be no different and be placed in the same category. The education system should be impartial and should be used to advance society by teaching proven facts.
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All theories should be taught. They are all theories. No one was there, so how could anyone know EXACTLY what happened FOR SURE?? No one can know. I think every theory should be taught (or at least the most popular ones), have the evidence suporting each theory explained, and then have each individual decide on their own what they think happened. That way, everyone wins. Religious beliefs and scientific beliefs would all be taught, but the school wouldn't be "pressuring" students to believe a certain thing.
I say teach everything and let people decide what they believe for themselves.
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Religion is a subject in most schools in Germany. Catholic religion for Catholics, Protestant religion for Protestants. What do Buddhists, Hindus, Jews and Muslims do? Either choose between the Catholics or Protestants or take Ethics classes instead. Totally ridiculous system. I've heard of a Muslim father who was so confused that he sent one son to the Catholics and one to the Protestants. Teach Ethics or Philosophy instead!
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It can be taught but just not as a competition to science. Creationism and religion are both parts of a SOCIAL study. Science is not a social study and the two are not compatible. Teach religion where it should be, in Social Studies class and leave the science for science class.
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VirginAngel wrote:
All theories should be taught. They are all theories. No one was there, so how could anyone know EXACTLY what happened FOR SURE?? No one can know. I think every theory should be taught (or at least the most popular ones), have the evidence suporting each theory explained, and then have each individual decide on their own what they think happened. That way, everyone wins. Religious beliefs and scientific beliefs would all be taught, but the school wouldn't be "pressuring" students to believe a certain thing.
I say teach everything and let people decide what they believe for themselves.


Seriously? Schools shouldn't "pressure" students to say, learn correct grammar or spelling or how to correctly proof a math problem? "Teach everything and let people decide what they believe for themselves"? I'm sorry, but no second grader is capable of "deciding what they believe for themselves". Religious teaching (and yes, Creationism is a religious teaching) has no place in the lower grades, and should only be taught in comparative religion (Google it, sweetpea) classes in the higher grades.

Just because you can't wrap your brain around the idea of a billions year old universe and higher math, and choose to go with the simple, pretty, nicely packaged Creation story, doesn't make it a "theory". It's a STORY, and stories are not taught in the science curriculum.

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The question shouldn't be asked, "Should Creationism be taught in schools?". The question should really be, "In how great a detail do we cover the slow progress of knowledge, including covering mistaken explanations for things?". Should we bother to cover the mistaken theory that pi was equal to 22/7 or that protons were on the inside of atomic nuclei and the neutrons studding the outside like sparkles on a cupcake? Should we also cover the mistaken idea that Cake is better than Pie? Well, no, some things are obviously untenable opinions or perfectly reasonable beliefs such as any civilized modern person would hold- cake is far inferior to pie- Everyone knows this. Some things however are quite obviously less opinion and are taken as fact by modern society. The Amish do not Doubt electricity, they do know that it exists, they merely wish not to use it as such a modern convenience detracts from the handiwork wrought by human labor. They young and even some old hold quite an astute understanding of sciences and believing in creation and evolution at the same time is present in many people, not just the Amish. There is no need to educate people about various religious belief systems' thoughts on the origin of the world or mankind except for a secondary level lesson on comparative religions in a Sociology class.

When I was eleven, my class's teacher was a Marine Captain who covered a lot of ground in our History classes. The Chinese, Mongol, Roman republic and empire, Native American (north, central, and south) empires or cultures. India, Persia, various African empires and cultures. The most interesting lessons to me were of the development of Islam, Mormonism, and the Bahai faiths. Their various beliefs were laid out tersely and the history of the spread of these cultures were given in much greater detail. I think it was very obviously explained that different cultures had a different explanation for the beginning of things and that these different quaint explanations were all equal.

The same teacher taught us Science in the same class, with a different textbook. None of the controversy of today crept into any lessons. Science was science, and culture and religion had nothing to do with science facts. We studied Mendel, inheritance, Watson and Crick's discovery, and even the function of cell structures to even learn the codes of triplets of base pairs coding for different amino acids. We read about the experiment where a sealed glass ball with electrodes inside containing methane and ammonia and other likely early earth gases were reacted enough with sparks that it later was found to contain very much more complex molecules. Never was there a need to derail a lesson with an aside about religion during science class, or a footnote about science during a class about History, or Sociology.

I think that maybe not enough people received as an egalitarian education as I did. It's a shame that people with just a little bit of power feel the need to change the world mistakenly to earlier times where viewpoints were singular. To take away from a class by adding cautionary footnotes or putting stickers on textbooks that are perfectly reasonably written is like trying to rewrite history. Persons who wish for a return to book burnings should be first be tested for rabies and dementia, then immediately relieved of their duties by someone a bit more moderate. The Greeks tried and found Socrates guilty of corrupting the minds of the young, maybe if book revising, warning stickers, and book burnings are popular then their advocates won't mind sensible people bringing back the cup of hemlock.

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