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overmykneenow
Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:46:18 AM

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LadyX wrote:

The difference here, I suppose, is that you might encounter those among us who would question whether lettering is an art or not. Personally, I think it is. But who among us would say that drawing, especially in the case of figures and portraits, isn't art? Perhaps you, and thus this 'is it really art' tangent. I can't see his creations as something that isn't art.


I guess the question is more accurately put as "What is art to you?". For me personally I would be more inclined to make more of a distinction between an artist (art) and an artisan (craft) - you, of course could see the two things as the same. I'd see a signwriter or a calligrapher as artisans. Sadly, it's often seen that making the distinction somehow relegates or demeans artisans, that they have to step up a level to be an artist.

sprite wrote:
I have to wonder how much of himself he added - a simply shift of the eyes, a hint of an upturned lip, more defined crease to create a sense of weariness - those would be decisions he made to create or change the emotion of the piece.


In which case, it's art as long as a he makes changes to it. If he just precisely transposed every minor detail of a photo on to his page then nothing new has been created despite all the effort and skill involved.


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Magical_felix
Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:01:06 AM

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LittleBambi wrote:


I'm inclined to disagree. And I'm allowed to because it's about art...and art is subjective. Yay. I am not, however, going to spend my time formulating a proper response given how you so often treat these proper responses. So, forgive me that.


Disagree about what? About a story I wrote? I think I know what it means... Or you disagree that artists don't spoon feed people? You think artists sit there telling people what their work means? Or what are you talking about now? I never said art isn't subjective... I was responding to your artist friend not wanting to spoon feed you the meaning of her work. Your artist friend knows that people need to come up with their own meaning. NOTHING, like you came up with is well.... I don't know what that is confused1

...........oh wait, I think I know what is going on here. Pour Wine

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I am not, however, going to spend my time formulating a proper response


No wonder she just told you it didn't mean anything... She smelled philistine on you.

But seriously, your friend with the gold ring tire. that can even be a metaphor for fear of commitment (marriage) or it could also be her wanting to drown in a sea of love. That's art. Two totally different meanings from a single visual.

Try looking at it in an altered state... or unaltered state actually. Whichever would be out of the norm for you. Use a different lens. 3601







AngelHeart01
Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:02:02 AM

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LittleBambi wrote:


I'm inclined to disagree. And I'm allowed to because it's about art...and art is subjective. Yay. I am not, however, going to spend my time formulating a proper response given how you so often treat these proper responses. So, forgive me that.


Art is subjective, yet you want someone else to tell you how to think or see something ... To spell it out for you? Your photography is subjective, enough said.

Of course you're "inclined to disagree".
Probably should just sit back and take a sip, and not respond. That would be forgiven.

Guest
Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:05:50 AM

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It is certainly quality (and to me rather amazing) no matter what folks want to classify it as. As for what is art and what is not.... I see that as a futile debate.

I would hang a good photo realistic drawing on my wall as quickly (if not more so) than a good photograph. There are plenty of artists out there that do "studies" which pretty much are photo realistic works done in different mediums. I love the ones involving guns, western items (such as boots, saddles, tack, etc.), and appreciate them for the skills needed to take even a photograph and copy it in another medium. I could care less what anyone else classifies it as... I like it. LOL
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Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013 11:53:23 AM

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AngelHeart01 wrote:


Art is subjective, yet you want someone else to tell you how to think or see something ... To spell it out for you? Your photography is subjective, enough said.

Of course you're "inclined to disagree".
Probably should just sit back and take a sip, and not respond. That would be forgiven.



Now now. If you have something to say by all means say it - but politely...or relevantly...or via PM if that fails.

Of course my photography is subjective...I don't really consider my photography to be art. Nor do I consider myself to be really even be a photographer....or have any photographic skill beyond the paid portrait work I do. The rest is just a hobby. And the portrait work I do definitely isn't art - that's just pretty pictures of cute kids to hang on their grandparents' walls. So I fail to see why you plucked my 'photography' out of the air.

Furthermore I don't believe I told anyone what to think at any point? I said that 'I personally thought' and 'I'm allowed to have my own opinion because art is subjective' or words along those lines. At no point did I state what other people should think - unless I'm missing something? If I am then please feel free to pull up a quote from one of my previous two posts in this discussion in which you feel I 'tell' others how to think and see. My first line was 'I, personally, think we are all entitled to our opinions on what 'art' is and whether we like it or not' ....I'm pretty sure that that clearly implies that I believe people can have their own opinions and not be 'told' anything.

I'm inclined to disagree because the statements made were in opposition to my opinion that I clearly posted above. It doesn't matter who responds, or what they respond with, that is my opinion and if someone has a different one then chances are I shan't agree.

All in all I don't really know what you're getting at or why you posted such a response to me in the first place dontknow
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Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:00:42 PM

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JohnC wrote:
It is certainly quality (and to me rather amazing) no matter what folks want to classify it as. As for what is art and what is not.... I see that as a futile debate.


I strongly agree with this. I don't, however, think that people shouldn't post what they feel their own, personal, definition of art is.
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Posted: Saturday, February 02, 2013 4:56:11 AM

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Oh by all means, people should be more than free to post what their personal definition of art is, or is not.... they must also realize that is all it is, purely personal and has no more weight than any other view. I also think that many times it is not really that someone posts their views, but that those views almost always come off as negative and demeaning/insulting. And others just take the bait..... I suggest (and I hope doing so does not upset any members) simply rolling your (a general "your" not you personally) eyes and move on to other members' posts. But that is just me. ;)
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Posted: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:40:38 PM

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Jack, I had no idea...



you owned this depth, this perspicuity... All this time I thought you were merely a punch-spiker

specializing in asses




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Magical_felix
Posted: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:03:03 PM

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LittleBambi wrote:


Now now. If you have something to say by all means say it - but politely...or relevantly...or via PM if that fails.


I've seen you be rude as hell a bunch of times... please.

AngelHeart01 wrote:
Art is subjective, yet you want someone else to tell you how to think or see something


She was referring to you saying you wanted your friend to tell you what the art is supposed to mean to you. Artists don't do that.

LittleBambi wrote:
Furthermore I don't believe I told anyone what to think at any point? I said that 'I personally thought' and 'I'm allowed to have my own opinion because art is subjective' or words along those lines. At no point did I state what other people should think - unless I'm missing something?


Yeah... no one said you were telling people what to think. No one said that... It's odd that you came to this conclusion. You were the one saying you wanted an artist to tell you what to think about her work rather than looking at the art and coming up with your own meaning. Since the artist didn't tell you, your opinion was nothing. You thought the art meant nothing. You came into a discussion about art to insinuate that artists just put some bullshit on display and a bunch of pretentious people then attach meanings to it that were never there or intended. You seem to be one of those people that don't like when people "think too hard" about movies, music, books, art etc.

You basically said that artists are pretentious. This was your addition to a conversation about art. Don't be shocked when that opinion is questioned in any conversation about art, not just on lush.

It's like walking up to a group of jockeys talking about riding their ponies and saying. "The horses do all the work, the jockeys just go along for the ride."

You think the jockeys are going to tell you that you made a good point? LOL





Magical_felix
Posted: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:07:09 PM

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WellMadeMale wrote:
Jack, I had no idea...

you owned this depth, this perspicuity... All this time I thought you were merely a punch-spiker

specializing in asses




My fan-mail can be sent to me privately here.



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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2013 4:02:13 AM

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Magical_felix wrote:


Yeah... no one said you were telling people what to think. No one said that... It's odd that you came to this conclusion.



I did indeed misread what was written. What can I say, it was a Friday night and I just jotted down a quick response before heading offline. (I'll add the Pour Wine for you) My bad.

Magical_felix wrote:


You basically said that artists are pretentious.



I'm afraid that I'm not interested in having a 'debate' with someone who takes words out of my mouth that I didn't say, think, or imply. That's less of a debate and more you having a conversation with yourself.

You are welcome to think what you will, but in future no need to drag others into it, si?

I'm done here, I said what I wanted to say on the topic of art - I don't have anything else to add. This guy's drawings are amazing and generally totally insane. I've liked his FB page and have thoroughly enjoyed seeing him pop up in my news feed. Thank you Nicola for opening my eyes to this artist's work.
AngelHeart01
Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2013 3:22:52 PM

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Kelvin Okafor is amazing without question ... Looking through my eyes.


Calm down Sour Mash. You are stepping into some deep water instructing me.
Thank goodness for "edit", yeah? Not only did you misread Jack's words ... you did your own.

I see you admitted it half way evil4 That calls for a celebration, indeed Pour Wine

Thanks for always being so kind to me and those others on threads. Hugs

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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013 8:27:50 AM

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So, I saw the article a couple of days ago and well... yeah, the dude has some serious talent. When I emailed the link to a colleague they said it was 'Crap and he might as well have just taken a photograph 'cos no-one can tell the difference.' For each piece of art there are a MILLION different opinions. But come on! Everyone's got to admit that this is pretty darn impressive.

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Posted: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 1:16:40 PM

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for me it is an awesome piece of Art

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