Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Members | Log In | Register

Horror genre has been killed Options · View
Magical_felix
Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:08:38 AM

Rank: Wild at Heart

Joined: 4/3/2010
Posts: 5,196
Location: California
This is a french movie. If you do check it out, watch it in it's original language. There isn't much dialogue. It's called high tension for a reason. You will find yourself holding your breath. It's more classic horror than the other movies I mentioned but it still seems fresh to me. It's director is now making american horror movies that aren't as good but this is a classic.





Poppet
Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:25:40 AM

Rank: Sweetest Cricket

Joined: 10/5/2012
Posts: 5,514
Location: In Your Basement, United States
Ravyn wrote:
My son and his friend watched both of the Human Centipede movies. They both said the same thing, they only watched the second to see how much more stupid it could be. Go figure. Neither liked them and said they weren't scary at all just twisted. That seems to be the way of the horror movie anymore. They go for the gore factor or to see how utterly twisted they can be. I am ready for a good old fashioned "scary" movie. I haven't seen one of those in YEARS.


I guess I'm in no rush to see it. Though if I ever get bored enough, I might.

I do agree they go with the shock factor, not the epic like it once was.

Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ You Inspire Me Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ
cheeseball
Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:08:11 PM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 1/19/2013
Posts: 175
Location: Chicago, United States
I don't care much for the whole genre currently. I loved the original Dracula book by Bram Stoker and the original Dracula movie from the 30's. I also think Christopher Lee was a pretty good Dracula too. Lee especially portrayed him as physically strong, smart, sexy, and creepy. Peter Cushing was a credible Van Helsing.
Kitanica
Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:12:59 PM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 4/16/2011
Posts: 881
Location: The Sprawl, United States
Magical_felix wrote:
This is a remake of a german film. It is really really unsettling. I liked it better than the original. Michael Pitt and Naomi Watts are great.



It seems like a more comically dark version of the strangers that doesn't ruin itself with bad logic lol.
Strangers was so promising then the couple makes bad decision after bad decision.

"you know what sounds like a good idea? you go run to the shed waaaay across the lawn in the dark woods and I'll stay here with the gun. splitting up always works." bs
Guest
Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:28:12 AM

Rank: Lurker

Joined: 12/1/2006
Posts: 659,440
I agree with some of the comments that the horror genre has faded and most are not worth the time. However, and before you completely give up on horror flicks, go see "Sinister" - probably the most evil movie I can recall and we had to turn on some Chris Rock afterwards, check all the doors, set the security alarm, turn all the lights on, lock the doors to our bedroom, etc...... Watch it in a dark house, but make sure you have someone with you!!
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:14:31 AM

Rank: Alpha Blonde
Moderator

Joined: 2/17/2010
Posts: 6,551
Location: Your dirty fantasy
Magical_felix wrote:
This is a french movie. If you do check it out, watch it in it's original language. There isn't much dialogue. It's called high tension for a reason. You will find yourself holding your breath. It's more classic horror than the other movies I mentioned but it still seems fresh to me. It's director is now making american horror movies that aren't as good but this is a classic.



Oh my god - YES! I couldn't remember the name of this one because I saw it so many years ago, but it's always been stuck in my head as a great horror film. As soon as you wrote "this is a french movie", I knew it had to be the same one. The ending was so unexpected. This was a really cool little flick. High Tension. Gotta see it again. :)

MrLosAngeles
Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:31:59 PM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 2/11/2013
Posts: 482
Location: Marina del Rey, United States
I don't know if it's been killed. Themes have a way of resurrecting themselves after a gap. Westerns came back, spy thrillers came back. Good horror might come back, but I agree most of what passes these days is just "shock" and schlock. Even Guillermo del Toro's latest stuff is far from frightening. The remake of the Wolfman was dreadful, but then the old 1960s Hammer movies and Roger Corman dealt a terrible blow to the genre as did all the various Stephen King schlock fests. The original material is still there but in book form, like the novels of Robt. McCammon, Dan Simmons, Richard Matheson, and the early Necroscope books of Brian Lumley.
overmykneenow
Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:56:33 AM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 6/8/2010
Posts: 1,217
Location: United Kingdom
If it has been killed it'll just get reincarnated in the sequel Horror Genre II: Back from the Dead

Warning: The opinions above are those of an anonymous individual on the internet. They are opinions, unless they're facts. They may be ill-informed, out of touch with reality or just plain stupid. They may contain traces of irony. If reading these opinions causes you to be become outraged or you start displaying the symptoms of outrage, stop reading them immediately. If symptoms persist, consult a psychiatrist.

Why not read some stories instead

NEW! Want a quick read for your coffee break? Why not try this... Flash Erotica: Scrubber
seeker4
Posted: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:00:43 PM

Rank: Story Verifier
Moderator

Joined: 10/17/2012
Posts: 4,541
Location: Canada
MrLosAngeles wrote:
The original material is still there but in book form, like the novels of Robt. McCammon, Dan Simmons, Richard Matheson, and the early Necroscope books of Brian Lumley.


And even in book form, I'm not really sure what's good anymore. So many of the back of the book blurbs suggest to me the same old ideas being hashed out over and over again. When I need a chill these days, I find I'd just as soon go back to a classic like M. R. James or H. P. Lovecraft as try some of what's out there now unless I've had a specific recommendation from a source I can rely on like a friend with similar tastes or an author that I like. All the ones you mention go back to the nineties or earlier but I agree that all are modern horror at its best when they are on their game. Matheson in particular is pretty much into the classic category now.


One of my favorite, and most viewed, stories. Bill and his daughter-in-law Becky relieve their sexual frustration with a steamy summer fling.

Frustration and Relief

The April Stories:

April's Secret - A college student learns a sexy secret from his girlfriend's past

The Pastor's Secret - A lonely minister seeks solace from an escort
Jack_42
Posted: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:09:08 PM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 8/21/2009
Posts: 999
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
I find the term horror movie difficult as there as so many varieties of it. Movies that portray in great detail internal and external body parts don't exactly frighten me more nauseate - as I don't enjoy watching surgical operations on tv the same goes for such movies. I would include those that feature cannabalism or blood drinking from wine glasses etc as in the same mode. I am also baffled and sometimes suspicious as to why people enjoy such sights maybe cathartic or is it some nasty primeval need? For example Cabin Fever in my opinion was only nauseating and not frightening as was Hostel. Some of the more gothic ones are amusing in their over the top terms though like references to Dracula as ''the prince of darkness'' makes me smile (good name for a band). Or I once met an incredibly handsome young man in the Ukraine who was highly amused when I told him that his name was often that of the assistant in Frankenstein movies - Igor (a more unlikely Igor you'd never meet - he looked like a gleaming matinee idol). I feel that as effects have grown more graphic and realistic the genre has become more vomit evoking and less scary accordingly. The old black and white movies for instance with clever lighting and use of shadow could be very atmospheric whereas watching someone's fingers being realistically cut off in a toilet in full glorious colour to me is not frightening just sickening and not really in good taste.
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:34:50 PM

Rank: Alpha Blonde
Moderator

Joined: 2/17/2010
Posts: 6,551
Location: Your dirty fantasy
Jack_42 wrote:
For example Cabin Fever in my opinion was only nauseating and not frightening as was Hostel.


Yeah, I get what you're saying. They do have some shock-gore. I think what I appreciate about these films though is what they say about the human condition. It's not just about a bunch of good looking people getting tortured or dying grim deaths, it's about the morality behind their actions and the connections between them.

Like in Cabin Fever - we'd like to think we'd help a stranger in need or especially a close friend, but as the virus sets in - you start to re-evaluate your morality (self-preservation at any cost or altruistically sticking together no matter what). It's an interesting concept and so you can start to imagine yourself in that situation (conceptually speaking). Does self-preservation outweigh all other relationships and to what degree? I thought it was a cool little flick. Gory, yes. But the premise was very thoughtful. It wasn't simply a bunch of hot teens being stalked and killed off by a miscellaneous monster. And it wasn't just the virus transforming the characters - it was slowly transforming their moral compass as well.

Hostel similarly plays off several interesting ideas as well that make it more than just a gore-flick. Where do loyalties lie, what does money (in cases of poverty and semi-lawlessness) make you do if you don't know what the end-product looks like. Is there such evil depravity inside the minds of seemingly banal/successful people.

That's why I like Eli Roth's films. There's some gore - but there's always bigger statements about the human condition and looking at the dark side in all of us and what conditions can elicit it. It's rare that a horror film can really make me think and it seems like he sets out to do that with his films even more so than delivering a temporary scare or a stomach-turning cinematic moment.

darlvanhorn
Posted: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:33:16 PM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 2/28/2013
Posts: 402
Location: United Kingdom
None of the horror films of today have given me a fright, like the ones from 70's 80's. the last time i got a fright, was when i went to picture's to see Batman: Dark Knight. That goes to show, it ain't even a horror.
you want a horror film where you don't expect what comes next.

<a href="http:www.lushstories.com/stories/masturbation/bathroom-fantasy.aspx">Bathroom Fantasy</a>

http://www.lushstories.com/stories/love-stories/a-night-that-never-happend.aspx
Jack_42
Posted: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:57:04 AM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 8/21/2009
Posts: 999
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
[quote=Dancing_Doll]

[Yeah, I get what you're saying. They do have some shock-gore. I think what I appreciate about these films though is what they say about the human condition. It's not just about a bunch of good looking people getting tortured or dying grim deaths, it's about the morality behind their actions and the connections between them. ]

I understand but I suppose for the questions you feel the films raise I would be more entertained - or educated if you like without the extreme grottiness. I prefer morality lessons to be presented in a more amusing way for example as in In The Heat Of The Night. And I still don't understand why people are entertained by very realistic horrible things which I find a little disturbing like Kill Bill which after the 3rd or 4th suicidal Japanese sword wielding gangster realistically bit the dust (they could have easily shot her) became nauseatingly boring. There was a movie based on fact about people in a sunk ship's lifeboat the commander of which ditched the wounded, the weak and the useless in order to save the majority but the scenes weren't presented in a way that was totally nauseating they didn't for example show how they managed toilet facilities but the moral question was still understood.

Kitanica
Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:44:47 AM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 4/16/2011
Posts: 881
Location: The Sprawl, United States
Has anyone ever heard of the blackout haunted house in newyork? what I didn't gag at sounded fairly interesting. sign a waiver and they abduct you into a dark tunnel system for 45 minutes doing well.. Less than sensible things? Not a movie related question but just curious as it could be considered horror in a disgusting and violating sort of way lol just seeing if anyone knows of it or has gone through it. Personally I'd never let a naked man grope me in a dark tunnel or let him put a plastic bag over my head but some people...
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 11:38:25 AM

Rank: Alpha Blonde
Moderator

Joined: 2/17/2010
Posts: 6,551
Location: Your dirty fantasy
Jack_42 wrote:


I understand but I suppose for the questions you feel the films raise I would be more entertained - or educated if you like without the extreme grottiness. I prefer morality lessons to be presented in a more amusing way for example as in In The Heat Of The Night. And I still don't understand why people are entertained by very realistic horrible things which I find a little disturbing like Kill Bill which after the 3rd or 4th suicidal Japanese sword wielding gangster realistically bit the dust (they could have easily shot her) became nauseatingly boring. There was a movie based on fact about people in a sunk ship's lifeboat the commander of which ditched the wounded, the weak and the useless in order to save the majority but the scenes weren't presented in a way that was totally nauseating they didn't for example show how they managed toilet facilities but the moral question was still understood.



I like a bit of gore or shock value sometimes. It goes with the horror genre, otherwise it's more just a suspense/thriller (which I also enjoy but have different expectations from). Was 'In the Heat of The Night' considered a horror film? I haven't seen it. I don't consider Kill Bill a horror, but it's one of my fave movies of all time. When I think of 'horror' I think of 'horrible things' so I expect to see stuff that makes me cringe. I don't get nauseated by it though - I actually enjoy the zombie segments in Walking Dead for example. To me, the key is that it needs to have a balance with the rest of the storyline/action - not just nonstop blood. If a film can push the envelope in certain scenes but still have compelling themes beyond "try not to get killed" then I think it can make for a successful horror film. Cheesey and/or campy gore like Piranha 3D and the flicks where a series of one-dimensional characters gets sliced and diced by a random bad guy don't really interest me. A little bit of gore and shock value combined with a complex plot line and interesting characters makes for a solid film for this genre. It's similar to my favourite formula for erotica writing actually, except I substitute the hot explicit sex for the gore. :)

oldhound
Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 11:53:49 AM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 1/7/2013
Posts: 203
Location: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Current horror films have way too much gore. Classics like the Hound of the Baskervilles, or the Raven. Those engage your mind to the point you are far morw terrified than seeing a decapitation.
WellMadeMale
Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:27:40 PM

Rank: Constant Gardener

Joined: 9/30/2009
Posts: 10,451
Location: Cakeland, United States
The 2003 movie - Open Water - scared the living shit out of me. I doubt it was mean to be a horror movie - according to IMDB it was a Drama/Thriller.

The scenario was based upon something which indeed happened to a couple...and the fact that it can happen to people ... made it a horror movie to me. I could barely watch it, I was petrified by what I knew the outcome not only MIGHT be...but they would definitely drown, if nothing else.



If ya can't beat 'em... pay someone to do it for you.
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:51:56 PM

Rank: Alpha Blonde
Moderator

Joined: 2/17/2010
Posts: 6,551
Location: Your dirty fantasy
WellMadeMale wrote:
The 2003 movie - Open Water - scared the living shit out of me. I doubt it was mean to be a horror movie - according to IMDB it was a Drama/Thriller.

The scenario was based upon something which indeed happened to a couple...and the fact that it can happen to people ... made it a horror movie to me. I could barely watch it, I was petrified by what I knew the outcome not only MIGHT be...but they would definitely drown, if nothing else.



I absolutely loved this one too. I watched it several times. And you're right - it's that it did happen that makes it even more terrifying. The quieter improv-style acting made it more realistic too. You can totally imagine them as a couple going through all the different phases of hope and despair to the final realization that they were doomed.

Magical_felix
Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:56:26 PM

Rank: Wild at Heart

Joined: 4/3/2010
Posts: 5,196
Location: California
oldhound wrote:
Current horror films have way too much gore. Classics like the Hound of the Baskervilles, or the Raven. Those engage your mind to the point you are far morw terrified than seeing a decapitation.


Oh yeah... I think I remember my grandma saying that was scary.



crazydiamond
Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 1:04:02 PM

Rank: Clever Gem

Joined: 7/17/2011
Posts: 2,292
Location: Exactly where I should be!, Canada
Magical_felix wrote:


Oh yeah... I think I remember my grandma saying that was scary.


Ohhhh yeah, I heard about your Grandma!! kekekegay

Magical_felix
Posted: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:06:51 AM

Rank: Wild at Heart

Joined: 4/3/2010
Posts: 5,196
Location: California
crazydiamond wrote:


Ohhhh yeah, I heard about your Grandma!! kekekegay


My grandma was a hip hip lady, man.



Guest
Posted: Monday, March 11, 2013 7:34:21 AM

Rank: Lurker

Joined: 12/1/2006
Posts: 659,440
As per what a couple of others have said, [Rec] is brilliant. Im assuming anyone who has said they havent seen a decent horror in years hasnt seen it. Its "shit your pants" scary.

Human Centipede isnt even remotely scary, its just shit

If anyone likes horror comedy, I couldnt recommend "Tucker and Dale vs Evil" more highly. It really is superb. The first fifteen minutes or so give the impression its going to be the worst movie you've ever seen, but then its just changes and becomes great. An little known classic.


Kitanica
Posted: Friday, April 05, 2013 9:29:02 PM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 4/16/2011
Posts: 881
Location: The Sprawl, United States
Has anyone seen evil dead yet?

I agree for rec but I wouldn't call it shit your pants scary, but it's definitely one of if not the best found footage movies, I don't usually go by reviews but rotten tomatoes doesn't throw around 96%'s to horror movies to often. The America remake was absolutely atrocious, substituting the original origin for rabies is sad at best. I'd like to think zombies would never happen because the CDC would be all over it like white on rice as they were in rec lol
Guest
Posted: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:20:36 PM

Rank: Lurker

Joined: 12/1/2006
Posts: 659,440
I watched Evil Dead last night .... It did a good job trying to stay true to the 80s style horror, gore, over the top bloody violence but lacked the bits of humour Bruce Campbell brought to the original. Remaking any cult classic is going to be tough job, I think good originals should stay just that. I also watched the trailer for the remake of Carrie .... which leaves little to be desired.
Foreign horror is really the way to go, High Tension was brilliant! Another great french horror film was Martyrs ... 2 really good korean flicks were The tale of two sisters and I saw the devil ... some parts looked alittle too real. And some might disagree but Let the right one in ( swedish version ) was pretty good for a vampire horror .. if there is such a thing.
Kitanica
Posted: Monday, April 08, 2013 11:08:01 PM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 4/16/2011
Posts: 881
Location: The Sprawl, United States
I preferred the american remake, it was a bit more horror/scary than the original. The Swedish one seemed to be more about the relationship-emotions of the two. neither were as good as I hoped but a decent pair of movies
Kitanica
Posted: Monday, April 08, 2013 11:21:40 PM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 4/16/2011
Posts: 881
Location: The Sprawl, United States
Looks like rob zombie has something. Lords of Salem. Oh boy (sarcasm)
TheCrimsonKing
Posted: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 4:26:40 AM

Rank: Advanced Wordsmith

Joined: 5/1/2012
Posts: 66
Location: Kentucky, United States
there are plenty of good horror films out there. You just have to sift through all the crap. Insidious was a very well done movie. The Descent, 1408, Let Me in(or the original swedish film), REC 1 and 2, 30 days of night, Midnight Meat Train, Sinister. Those are just a few recent films that come to mind.
Guest
Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013 7:56:53 PM

Rank: Lurker

Joined: 12/1/2006
Posts: 659,440
I'm a horror junkie.My favs are Henry:Portrait Of A Serial killer,Evil Dead,F13,A Nightmare On Elm Street,Texas Chainsaw Massacre,Halloween...you know,the basic four ...Freddy,Jason,Michael,Leatherface...as for new horror movies Hatchet is pretty good(2006),Kane Hodder is wonderful in it.I love Kane Hodder and Bruce Campbell.You might want to also check out Bubba Ho Tep.I like horror with a splash of dry humor in it and I think that is why the 70's and 80's horror was so good because of that.There are other movies I like that are thrillers and suspense.Sorry but I just loved "The Ring".There are only two movies that ever scared the hell out of me,The Beast Within,and The Ring.I must interject on one thing however...a rating of R does not promise a better horror movie.Remember a little ole movie named "Poltergiest".I saw it when I was 8 years old on vhs and at the time it had a PG rating because PG-13 did not come along till two years later.A movie does not have to show blood to scare you.I think a mind fuck is more intense then a few buckets of red dyed karo syrup anyday.However the Karo syrup will alway's have a special place in my heart
paul_moadib
Posted: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:44:24 PM

Rank: Forum Guru

Joined: 3/31/2013
Posts: 576
Location: Docking bay 94
Perhaps not entirely.

I think a lot of traditional horror themes are being over-exploited, zombies being the obvious craze at the moment but there are loads of lower-budget movies being made to counter-balance the weaker remakes and the teen-marketed "jump-scare" genre.

Some decent movies of the last few years, at least IMO:

- Red, White & Blue
- The Dead
- Grave Encounters
- Chained
- Sinister
Guest
Posted: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:12:10 PM

Rank: Lurker

Joined: 12/1/2006
Posts: 659,440
I can't believe I'm gonna do this, but...

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HORROR GENRE.

Hear me out...true, horror seems to be on a downturn, but that's movies in general - not just horror. I've read through this thread and many people are commenting on how cheaply made movies are now. That's true, but horror has always been cheaply made. You will never find a horror movie with an Iron Man like budget - especially in this economy. I agree pg13 horror should be banned. It fits the "Two things that don't go together make a good band name" rule. There are good movies out there but they are harder to find in this online generation, much like music. If you are waiting for the mainstream to make something worthy then I suggest looking into cryo-chambers cause it's gonna be awhile.

If there is one thing I wish the industry would do, it would be marketing better and more honestly. I know a lot of people were pumped for "Cabin in the Woods" only to be disappointed it was a comedy. If the industry would have marketed it as a fun romp through horror icons (what it really was, an ode to the genre), it would have fared better.

"The Exorcist" is still the scariest, but "In the Mouth of Madness" is an under-rated classic.
Users browsing this topic
Guest 


Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Main Forum RSS : RSS

Powered by Yet Another Forum.net version 1.9.1.6 (NET v4.0) - 11/14/2007
Copyright © 2003-2006 Yet Another Forum.net. All rights reserved.