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LadyX
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:32:36 PM

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Kitanica wrote:

unless something shows they were exploited and "victimized" I'm not saying she should be in trouble for what he did, but I'm saying she should be held accountable for her end of the situation. I don't know if party b asked for pictures of party a or party a gave pictures to party b of their own initiative but party a did contribute to an illicit act
and should be accountable for their share. That said I'm completely against the sex offender part of it, but all involved should be punished to a certain extent.


Other than the exploitation and victimization that comes from her own pics going viral without her consent, what more accountability would you like to see? She was no more a 'willing participant' in this than I'm a willing participant in getting groped in a crowded, dark club.
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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:47:17 PM

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LadyX wrote:


Other than the exploitation and victimization that comes from her own pics going viral without her consent, what more accountability would you like to see? She was no more a 'willing participant' in this than I'm a willing participant in getting groped in a crowded, dark club.


No, but you CANNOT excuse the girls for them participating in the act to begin with OR for them being exploited.

Did they ask for it? FUCK NO! Are they poor, innocent, hapless little victims?

No.

Don't you dare throw the "slut shaming" at me again for stating that either. It's called PERSONAL FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY, and they just got a huge, hard lesson in it. I am not saying it is their fault. I am not saying they deserve it, or asked for it. It happened. It's always going to happen. It's an OBVIOUS risk and it sucks to have to live with, just like going into a crowded dark room and getting groped. It sucks, but it's also REALITY.

End of story.

I'm amazed at how riled-up I've gotten over this, and I am truly amazed at how many of you are so ready to crucify the boy and are so stalwart in defending these "angels".

NONE OF THEM ARE BAD KIDS!



Kitanica
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:50:10 PM

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LadyX wrote:


Other than the exploitation and victimization that comes from her own pics going viral without her consent, what more accountability would you like to see? She was no more a 'willing participant' in this than I'm a willing participant in getting groped in a crowded, dark club.


It's more like you grow drugs and give them to someone else and then that person sells them and you claim it's not your fault for growing drugs and giving them to someone. Your at fault for growing, they're at fault for distributing. What if the photos didn't get distributed? What if it was only seen by him and he gets caught. Hes completely out of luck for having a keepsake of her affection?

going to a club isn't illegal, by law what she did was. Should she be punished to the full extent? No it should be a stern slap on the wrist telling her not to touch the stove again so she doesn't burn her hand until it's legal for her to do so as she pleases.
LadyX
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:57:13 PM

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No, but you CANNOT excuse the girls for...them being exploited.


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I am not saying it is their fault.


So, which is it? Pick a lane, because those contradict one another. If they're not at fault, then by definition, that excuses responsibility.

As for "throwing the slut shaming" at you; it's the vibe you were giving off with several of your comments. I don't put words in your mouth, I can only comment on how you come across with what you say.
Nikki703
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:05:30 PM

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Is anyone completely innocent here? NO. Technically they all broke the law.

But if you cant see that what the boy who posted the pics on the internet did was far worse than what the girls did, than I give up!!

It would be like saying the girl goes to a store and steals a box of matches. She gives them to her BF and his best friend. The Best Friend takes the matches and starts a fire. They all broke the law, the girl for stealing, the BF for accepting stolen property and the friend for starting a fire.

But are they all guilty of equal crimes? Should they all be punished equally? I guess maybe in your world, they should!!
Kitanica
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:10:10 PM

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Nikki703 wrote:
Is anyone completely innocent here? NO. Technically they all broke the law.

But if you cant see that what the boy who posted the pics on the internet did was far worse than what the girls did, than I give up!!

It would be like saying the girl goes to a store and steals a box of matches. She gives them to her BF and his best friend. The Best Friend takes the matches and starts a fire. They all broke the law, the girl for stealing, the BF for accepting stolen property and the friend for starting a fire.

But are they all guilty of equal crimes? Should they all be punished equally? I guess maybe in your world, they should!!


Thankyou, I never said she's guilty of equal crimes, but she is guilty.
Andee
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:11:45 PM

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Classic example of dumb and dumber ... what teenage girl in her right mind these days would trust any boy with her reputation?

"If you knew what you were doing you would probably be bored."

TexasSon
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:17:09 PM

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LadyX wrote:






So, which is it? Pick a lane, because those contradict one another. If they're not at fault, then by defition, that excuses responsibility.

As for "throwing the slut shaming" at you; it's the vibe you were giving off with several of your comments. I don't put words in your mouth, I can only comment on how you come across with what you say.


Pick a lane? Those statements don't contract each other. There is grey there... there's LOTS of grey there because we don't know the exact circumstances. We don't know what was actually going through any of their heads in that moment. You stated it's not their fault the pictures were captured and posted on the boy's Instagram - I agree. That is certainly not their fault. That is not what they intended.

...but they are not blameless for it even happening. It's a KNOWN RISK and they took that risk.

As far as my "vibe"... I was caught-up in butting heads with someone that was SO sanctimonious about his shit it boggled the mind. He was the ULTIMATE "sideline parent" and used that term to justify... not a damn fucking thing.

My "vibe"? How about YOU do a little research. Read the poster's profiles, stories, comments on & to others, review their Friend's List, Followings, even... INTERVIEWS and then come back and tell me what my "vibe" is. Out of your 10 stories, your own RELUCTANCE story about a girl who allowed herself to be coerced by her boyfriend for fucking rent money, and then found herself doing bumps of coke and getting gangbanged is your 4th highest rated and voted story.

...and you wanna carry the "poor victim" banner for these girls that posed provocatively, committed the INITIAL CRIME of pornographic images of minors, then distributed those pictures themselves?

Yeah, your story's about an adult woman and they're "kids" - someone said it on here though: do adult things, take adult responsibility.

...but in your mind, the mind of a woman that proclaims to be turned off by "closed- mindedness..", you immediately think that's just "slut shaming" and judge me for being an asshole for even DARING to say that the girls are not victims.

How about the minors that manage to get on here? How about them that "innocently" see the blatant cock shots your "husband" Bastard Son posts of himself..?.. Is he to be held responsible for scarring their impressionable minds?

Is he an exploitative, manipulative motherfucker that took advantage of the ease & access the internet provides to the entire fucking world, and wrongfully exposed those kids to his cock against their will?

No. That's a retarded argument.



TexasSon
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:22:20 PM

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Nikki703 wrote:
Is anyone completely innocent here? NO. Technically they all broke the law.

But if you cant see that what the boy who posted the pics on the internet did was far worse than what the girls did, than I give up!!

It would be like saying the girl goes to a store and steals a box of matches. She gives them to her BF and his best friend. The Best Friend takes the matches and starts a fire. They all broke the law, the girl for stealing, the BF for accepting stolen property and the friend for starting a fire.

But are they all guilty of equal crimes? Should they all be punished equally? I guess maybe in your world, they should!!


You give up? I can't believe I'm still beating my head against the wall here!

That's a FANTASTIC analogy though!

I don't think anyone said they committed equal crimes! I only rallied against the incredible condemnation of the boy, and the obsessive defense of the girls and their victimization.

Magical_Felix first dropped the "slut shaming" and it was a horrible comparison to the point that I, and others were making.



Nikki703
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:23:57 PM

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Kitanica wrote:


Thankyou, I never said she's guilty of equal crimes, but she is guilty.


Yes, she is guilty. But like I said earlier, what she did was just irresponsible, what he did was malicious. Both guilty but what he did was far worse.

Apples and Rotten Oranges!
LadyX
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:31:37 PM

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TexasSon wrote:


Pick a lane? Those statements don't contract each other. There is grey there... there's LOTS of grey there because we don't know the exact circumstances. We don't know what was actually going through any of their heads in that moment. You stated it's not their fault the pictures were captured and posted on the boy's Instagram - I agree. That is certainly not their fault. That is not what they intended.

...but they are not blameless for it even happening. It's a KNOWN RISK and they took that risk.

As far as my "vibe"... I was caught-up in butting heads with someone that was SO sanctimonious about his shit it boggled the mind. He was the ULTIMATE "sideline parent" and used that term to justify... not a damn fucking thing.

My "vibe"? How about YOU do a little research. Read the poster's profiles, stories, comments on & to others, review their Friend's List, Followings, even... INTERVIEWS and then come back and tell me what my "vibe" is. Out of your 10 stories, your own RELUCTANCE story about a girl who allowed herself to be coerced by her boyfriend for fucking rent money, and then found herself doing bumps of coke and getting gangbanged is your 4th highest rated and voted story.

...and you wanna carry the "poor victim" banner for these girls that posed provocatively, committed the INITIAL CRIME of pornographic images of minors, then distributed those pictures themselves?

Yeah, your story's about an adult woman and they're "kids" - someone said it on here though: do adult things, take adult responsibility.

...but in your mind, the mind of a woman that proclaims to be turned off by "closed- mindedness..", you immediately think that's just "slut shaming" and judge me for being an asshole for even DARING to say that the girls are not victims.

How about the minors that manage to get on here? How about them that "innocently" see the blatant cock shots your "husband" Bastard Son posts of himself..?.. Is he to be held responsible for scarring their impressionable minds?

Is he an exploitative, manipulative motherfucker that took advantage of the ease & access the internet provides to the entire fucking world, and wrongfully exposed those kids to his cock against their will?

No. That's a retarded argument.


LOL. Now you're finally entertaining, what took so long? I like how people's forum activity, stories, and pretend lush spouses factors into this for you. It's way more fun than taking it all at face value, I'll give you that.

I was talking about comments you made in this thread. I obviously don't know you, I'm simply commenting on how you're coming off within this conversation. Granted, you were butting heads with a specific person, but the comments were still yours.

Would you like to talk about retarded arguments? That you would take anyone's fiction work at face value LOL. Do you believe Stephen King, or Quentin Tarantino, becomes malevolent and kills people? Do you conversely believe them to have no moral compass, sense of right-and-wrong, or the required gravitas to speak up for children, their own or otherwise? You're surely not this dumb, that you really believe that writing something means condoning the actions within, right? That's so simple, and you've shown yourself at times to be sufficiently witty, that it just can't be the case. Or forum posts? LOL. You're grasping for straws, Texas-man.

If you want to take the 'body of our lush work' and use that to judge people with it, then be my guest. I suppose dumber things do happen around here, though probably not that many. But to put that hat on myself for a moment: you're the one with a side hobby of outing those who are using random pics and claiming them to be authentic. You of all people know that who we say we are isn't necessarily who we 'really' are as well. So given this wisdom of yours, you'd really take a lush profile at face value? Would you be surprised to know that I don't even know the guy named Bastard, but just thought his username was awesome and signed him up to "marry" me? Do you also believe in the Easter Bunny?

You're a funny man, Texas Son. Please tell me this is you "butting heads" with me, and thus not being yourself. Or, carry on, because this just got fun.

TexasSon
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:38:58 PM

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Nikki703 wrote:


Yes, she is guilty. But like I said earlier, what she did was just irresponsible, what he did was malicious. Both guilty but what he did was far worse.

Apples and Rotten Oranges!


See... I just can't get there. I just don't believe the actual "malicious" intent. Was it dirty & rotten? YES! Untrustworthy? Yes. Taking advantage? Yes.

Purposefully, evil intended, and "malicious"..?.. I can't get there. I don't know THAT kid, but he's a kid too! Kids are dumb. Kids are MEAN. Kids do not think.

...and that's the thing: he didn't think. Which suggests to me, that he didn't THINK, plot, and plan rubbing his grubby little hands together while chortling out a maniacal laugh as he EASILY screencaptured their pics and instantly, easily, casually (maybe) posted them to his Instagram account.

Did he set-up an specific email list and say HEY! LOOKIT THESE WHORES! It didn't say, but I'm sure it would have been reported if he did.

Did he specifically text the pics out? Same conjecture as above... all it said he did was something that's almost an automatic thing to do! It's so simple and easy to do! Chances are he did post it and later thought: OH SHIT!

...but probably not.

Be a boy for one second, please... You're full of stupid hormones, you have more power in the palm of your hand than any generation before you has ever had, and you don't even THINK about the consequences of it or the potential ramifications of anything you do with it - hell, of anything you do anyway! Who ever did at 15-20 even?

...and some girls blow-up your phone with some fucking hot pics! SURPRISE! (maybe not surprise, but whatever - even if he did cajole/coerce them, he couldn't have KNOWN they'd actually do it)..

...and yeah, your brain completely shuts down, your cock goes completely up, and before you know it: screencapture, save, post! 1-2-3

That's not malicious. That's not plotted or planned. That's just reacting.

..and it is most definitely also taking advantage and breaking trust, yes.



Buz
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District Attorneys seem to pick and choose whether or not they prosecute teens as underage minors or as adults depends upon the politics of getting re-elected. Many of the latest medical studies say that the human brain is not fully mature until the age of 25, so how much more immature are the decisions of people 17 and under? Ruining someone for life for silly stupid teenage decisions seems ridiculous and barbaric.

TexasSon
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:46:17 PM

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LadyX wrote:


You're a funny man, Texas Son. Please tell me this is you "butting heads" with me, and thus not being yourself. Or, carry on, because this just got fun.



...well yeah, that's the whole point: I've always said that it's all just fun & games!

No, I don't believe really a fucking thing on anyone's profile. I actually do not use this site as some alter-ego escapist therapy or whatever. I'm pretty much always me, I don't have the energy, care, or maybe capacity to be anyone else.

As far as content on someone's profile being a reflection of themselves..?.. yeah, I do kinda buy into that. It shows an interest. It shows a side of you. It shows maybe jack-shit, but it's certainly more than attacking a guy on an online forum thread and going off of a singular "vibe".

You're popular on here. Respected. For whatever that's even worth. I could give a shit. Generally, I think I always get along with people. I have fun. I think I typically provide fun. Cause no harm or frustration.

When someone accuses me of being some sort of Rapist Defender though..?..

Yeah....

Fuck.

All.

Of you.



LadyX
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:54:28 PM

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TexasSon wrote:


When someone accuses me of being some sort of Rapist Defender though..?..



He definitely deserved the f-bomb for that one. Even I, purveyor of slut-shaming labels, wouldn't go that far. But, as has been said before: things in the Think Tank sometimes get heated, people get out of line, and then we all cool off move on. If you just can't let it go, its best to work it out privately with whomever got so far under your skin, or just not continue posting. The latter is the suggestion when I see things like,

Quote:


Yeah....

Fuck.

All.

Of you.


And a good day to you too, sir. Don't take one flare up so seriously, or, choose your participation carefully, for your blood pressure's sake.

3601 <--- (red wine helps too)
Kitanica
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:58:10 PM

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Nikki703 wrote:


Yes, she is guilty. But like I said earlier, what she did was just irresponsible, what he did was malicious. Both guilty but what he did was far worse.

Apples and Rotten Oranges!


I agree to some extent but I have to add a little. It's not "just irresponsible" yes it's irresponsible but she also broke the law, to a lesser extent yes, but her actions are still serious. He didn't take photos of her while she was tied up. She took the photos of herself and could have said no at any time. She didn't. Shes at fault for what she did but thats entirely separate from what he did. Like I said she grew the drugs he sold them. Shes therefore guilty for growing drugs. she's not guilty for selling them. he's guilty for selling them, not guilty for growing them. selling them to the different people is more serious than growing a little bit for recreational use yes. But selling drugs doesn't indemnify her separate action of growing them. That's on her. I agree with what you said I just wanted to clarify it's my opinion that it's a slightly overripe apple, and a rotten orange.

what I'm trying to say Apple sounds like completely innocent which I don't agree with, but minus the apple and the "just" yes I agree.

I don't think either should have their lives ruined, but I believe each should have a stern punishment befitting their own individual involvement so it doesn't happen again.

That's the last thing I wanted to say, so I'm done for now.
TexasSon
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:01:27 PM

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LadyX wrote:


And a good day to you too, sir. Don't take one flare up so seriously, or, choose your participation carefully, for your blood pressure's sake.

3601 <--- (red wine helps too)


I wish there were like, Tone Fonts that'd help convey our reactions!

I bartend. I habitually curse a lot. It takes more effort to NOT curse on here than anything. I guess that's why it seemed so over pressured because I rarely drop so many bombs of any sort.

That's why I try to use punctuation and spacing LIBERALLY. (...and apparently, caps!) To diffuse it all. It all works-out in my head that way!

I'm honestly calm, and absolutely making fun of myself in my head for participating this much. I think I posted more in this one forum than I all the other combined. Yay me!

...anyway, red wine? No ma'am - you're talking to a beer & bourbon guy! occasion5





LadyX
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:04:09 PM

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TexasSon wrote:


I wish there were like, Tone Fonts that'd help convey our reactions!

I bartend. I habitually curse a lot. It takes more effort to NOT curse on here than anything. I guess that's why it seemed so over pressured because I rarely drop so many bombs of any sort.

That's why I try to use punctuation and spacing LIBERALLY. (...and apparently, caps!) To diffuse it all. It all works-out in my head that way!

I'm honestly calm, and absolutely making fun of myself in my head for participating this much. I think I posted more in this one forum than I all the other combined. Yay me!

...anyway, red wine? No ma'am - you're talking to a beer & bourbon guy! occasion5



In that case, I'd like a Maker's, neat.
Nikki703
Posted: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:42:09 PM

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Kitanica wrote:


I agree to some extent but I have to add a little. It's not "just irresponsible" yes it's irresponsible but she also broke the law, to a lesser extent yes, but her actions are still serious. He didn't take photos of her while she was tied up. She took the photos of herself and could have said no at any time. She didn't. Shes at fault for what she did but thats entirely separate from what he did. Like I said she grew the drugs he sold them. Shes therefore guilty for growing drugs. she's not guilty for selling them. he's guilty for selling them, not guilty for growing them. selling them to the different people is more serious than growing a little bit for recreational use yes. But selling drugs doesn't indemnify her separate action of growing them. That's on her. I agree with what you said I just wanted to clarify it's my opinion that it's a slightly overripe apple, and a rotten orange.

what I'm trying to say Apple sounds like completely innocent which I don't agree with, but minus the apple and the "just" yes I agree.

I don't think either should have their lives ruined, but I believe each should have a stern punishment befitting their own individual involvement so it doesn't happen again.

That's the last thing I wanted to say, so I'm done for now.





I give up!! And ill take a Tequila.................leave the bottle!!
LOVES4PLAY
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For Gods sake they are only kids, so why burden them with a unwarranted title that would plague therm through out their lives..
sadly it is one hell of a price to pay so that some D.A. can boast about a higher conviction rating..
Yes what they did was stupid, but just when did being stupid become a life altering crime?
Magical_felix
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TexasSon wrote:
I bartend


I'll take a Goose martini with three olives. Stuff them with blue cheese. The good kind, you dumb, slut shaming, ignorant, simple motherfucker.



Kitanica
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Magical_felix wrote:


I'll take a Goose martini with three olives. Stuff them with blue cheese. The good kind, you dumb, slut shaming, ignorant, simple motherfucker.



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