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Buz
Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:15:03 PM

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Redneck. That is just another racist word. All the name calling is so intelligent.

keoloke
Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:22:13 PM

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Buz wrote:
No one ever has their mind changed by what is posted in this damn Tank, the constant bickering, insults and fighting really just deepens each individual's own point of views and causes permanent bitterness.


You're right Buz, but we exchange thoughts. Everyone depending on their own baggage of experience has a different opinion. We can all be wrong and right at the same time.

If our actions are fueled by a sincere thought to do better, than and only than we could probably agree.


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keoloke
Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:38:41 PM

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MrNudiePants wrote:


No, the object isn't to simply throw another gun in there and hope for the best. It's to add a good man, with all the tools he needs at his disposal, to stand watch in case the next nutjob with a gun (or pipebomb, or homemade poison gas canister) chooses HIS school to attack.


Mr. N/P you know it's not the answer. Let's not mention that it's not feasible since it would cost close to 7 Billions. He's going to pay?

Oh and while we're at it, parents could buy the new bullet proof backpacks (not a joke) all they have to do is to instruct the child to kneel and raise the backpack to their face and upperbody.


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niceguy89
Posted: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 2:06:37 AM

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Guns kill, that is why they were made. Guns that hold more rounds give the shooter (good or bad) a tactictal advantage. Gun crimes have been slowly going down while CHL's and CCW's have been going up. The good guys are winning! As long as there are guns there will be gun deaths. Educate and inform the good guys and the bad guys will countinue to shrink. We do not need more gun legislation. We need more human integrity and gun owner accountability. Stop giving up your rights out of ignorance and fear. Start learning what you can do to protect yourself. Guns are not the only solution.
keoloke
Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:52:31 PM

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2,243 Shooting Death (US) and counting Since Sandy Hook. It's only 98 days since.
Updated: 03/22/2013 11:29 pm EST


Link for the disturbing interactive death map unfolding before your eyes. Contain also the names of the deceased

It's an average of almost 23 peoples per day, so we will have another over 6000 gun related death by the end of the year.

Is it clear now why the bans are not passed?


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MrNudiePants
Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:53:50 PM

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keoloke wrote:


It's an average of almost 23 peoples per day, so we will have another over 6000 gun related death by the end of the year.

Is it clear now why the bans are not passed?



Is it because they won't actually do anything to prevent violence? Huh? Is it? Is it? Did I win?
CleverFox
Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:09:06 PM

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Posting armed guards in schools is not the answer. It costs too much money and do you want to have somebody in a flack jacket with a high power rifle patrolling the halls at your child's school? How do you know that this guy isn't some sort of pedophile and you just handed him the keys to the kingdom? So you have somebody with a side arm walking around the school instead? What happens when the bad guy or bad guys attack with high power rifles and wearing flack jackets? Will the good guy put on his white cowboy hat and take out 7 bad guys with 5 shots, hitting each bad guy right between the eyes before any of the bad guys get off a shot so there are no innocent bystanders?

You live in a Hollywood-Fantasy-Cowbay world that never really existed.
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Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:03:31 PM

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Ban bullets?
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Posted: Monday, March 25, 2013 1:19:37 AM

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MrNudiePants wrote:


If that's the case, why is it that the only weapons used to carry out the deadliest mass killing of civilians ever undertaken on American soil were box cutters? And the only weapons used in the second and third deadliest we're homemade bombs?


Because those aren't crimes of opportunity or planned events with easily obtainable materials. Why are there so few bombing incidents? Because it's difficult to get it right if you want a large death toll and you have to do a lot of heavy planning if you're gonna go thorugh with a hijacking of a plane or building a large bomb. Usually the shooting sprees are grabbing a gun they have in the closet or pop down to the local shop and buy it like it's a carton of milk and then go out shooting.

Also, you dragging in acts of terrorism in this debate shows that you struggle to come up with reasonable arguments for your view.
MrNudiePants
Posted: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:31:49 PM

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Butts County, GA —

Four people who tried to break into a home in Butts County on Wednesday got a little more than they bargained for.

Butts County Sheriff Gary Long tells WSB the four suspects apparently were interested in some marijuana believed to be in the house.

"It appears that there was a female and three black males. They put on bandanas across their face, they went to the back door to break into the house. The homeowner heard them, the female there. She comes around the corner and they're kicking the door to try and come in and she fires one shot," said Long.



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One of the suspects,Cornelius Williams, 19, a student at Jasper High School, was shot near the right eye. A second suspect, Frank Milligan, also 19, and also a Jasper High School student, was hit in the head with shrapnel. A third suspect, Louis Ross, 25, broke his leg when he jumped off the back porch trying to escape. The female suspect, Ashley Eiland, 29, who Long says had picked the boys up from high school, has been charged with criminal attempt to commit burglary.

When the three get out of the hospital, they'll be arrested.


Link-a-dink...
CleverFox
Posted: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:37:01 PM

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MrNudiePants wrote:


No, the object isn't to simply throw another gun in there and hope for the best. It's to add a good man, with all the tools he needs at his disposal, to stand watch in case the next nutjob with a gun (or pipebomb, or homemade poison gas canister) chooses HIS school to attack.


And it is so easy to tell the good guys from the bad guys because good guys wear white hats and bad guys wear black hats.
MrNudiePants
Posted: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:38:48 AM

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CleverFox wrote:


And it is so easy to tell the good guys from the bad guys because good guys wear white hats and bad guys wear black hats.


The school resource officer will know that the person (or persons) walking around shooting people is the threat, no matter how they're dressed, and will be properly trained to assess the threat and respond. The only other choice brings the phrase "fish in a barrel" to mind.
Magical_felix
Posted: Friday, March 29, 2013 11:30:36 AM

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MrNudiePants wrote:



Is it because they won't actually do anything to prevent violence? Huh? Is it? Is it? Did I win?


Yes nudiepants, you won... You won the idiot contest.

As for everyone else that seems to not understand statistics, please use your brains. When you say that there are more car related deaths than gun related deaths then point out that we should ban cars too like you are making some witty point... You're not. The reason there are more car related deaths is because there is simply more cars than guns. There are more knives, blunt objects and fists than guns too. The more guns there are, the more guns that will be fired. The notion that we would have a polite society if we were all trained to use and respect guns properly is a fantasy. Reduce the number of guns and the gun deaths will go down. Increase the number of guns and the gun deaths will go up.

100 people in a room with no guns. 100 people that are in no danger of getting shot. One of the people might get mad and fist fight a guy and the crowd can stop them.

100 people in a room with half of them having guns. 100 people in danger of being shot. One of them pulls a gun and starts shooting and another guy will pull his gun and start shooting at the guy shooting. That guy misses and hits another guy's wife and then that guy is shooting the guy trying to prevent the first guy shooting. Then another guy starts shooting all the other shooters because he doesn't know who the "good" guys are. Confusing right? Shooting and shooting and shooting.

keoloke
Posted: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:58:49 PM

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Well put Magic Felix.

Simple example about the 100 people that may just come true in real life. In Nelson GA (US) was just voted unanimously to approve the Family Protection Ordinance. In short.. the measure requires every head of household to own a gun and ammunition to "provide for the emergency management of the city" and to "provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants." Unless you do not want to or you're convict, but you better get one as most will.. they did vote!

If other town will follow suit we may just have people being shot in public squares and city blocks. It’s the OK Corral all over again… ehaaa

Also from the article:

_Earlier Monday, lawmakers in Oklahoma scuttled a bill that would have allowed public school districts to decide whether to let teachers be armed.

_ Spring City, Utah, passed an ordinance this year recommending that residents keep firearms, softening an initial proposal that aimed to require it.


I think I’m done with this topic.. it goes nowhere, and people will keep on dying.. yeees not because of guns but because of happy triggers. Ok so I just made lots of people happy.



Read The Above Unbelievable Article Here


p.s. I have received a private message about the "idiocy" of my post that stated that gun were invented to hunt for food not to kill peoples. Try to answer that.



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MrNudiePants
Posted: Friday, April 5, 2013 10:03:51 PM

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keoloke wrote:


If other town will follow suit we may just have people being shot in public squares and city blocks. It’s the OK Corral all over again… ehaaa




That's simply a preposterous notion. There are already other cities that have such laws on the books - Kennesaw, Georgia has had a statute requiring gun ownership in every household since 1982. The whole "OK Corral" and "blood will run in the streets" threats just aren't true. People don't turn into homicidal maniacs because of the presence of a firearm.

Stick to the truth. It keeps the debate much saner, and clearer.
keoloke
Posted: Monday, April 8, 2013 7:18:06 PM

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Kitanica wrote:
well guns were invented as fireworks as far as I know. At least that's were the gunpowder was used... the Chinese pioneered it and the technology spread.


Well he says that they were invented to get food. You say the Chinese... fine, the point was made to who is to blame?

The internet was invented by the government for use military use. If "today" I use the internet to lure kids or for other illegal activities. The military or the government is NOT to blame.

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keoloke
Posted: Monday, April 8, 2013 7:32:05 PM

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MrNudiePants wrote:


That's simply a preposterous notion. There are already other cities that have such laws on the books - Kennesaw, Georgia has had a statute requiring gun ownership in every household since 1982. The whole "OK Corral" and "blood will run in the streets" threats just aren't true. People don't turn into homicidal maniacs because of the presence of a firearm.

Stick to the truth. It keeps the debate much saner, and clearer.


Mr ND

I don't feel the comment has anything out of common sense. Every word that there is a fact, not an opinion. You do know what is the OK Corral, that is why I have included. The exaggeration to a fact to make a point. Actually back than it was honorable, since they would stand in the street and fire at each other.. not at a group of unarmed people.. possibly underage too.

So many info, again facts into the comment and you have only picked the OK Corral.

If you do not believe (as all the facts mentioned) that more guns will mean more deaths, it's fine. We do not need to continue this. They are way too many comments that prove the futility of these conversations.

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MrNudiePants
Posted: Monday, April 8, 2013 10:05:26 PM

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keoloke wrote:


Mr ND

I don't feel the comment has anything out of common sense. Every word that there is a fact, not an opinion. You do know what is the OK Corral, that is why I have included. The exaggeration to a fact to make a point. Actually back than it was honorable, since they would stand in the street and fire at each other.. not at a group of unarmed people.. possibly underage too.

So many info, again facts into the comment and you have only picked the OK Corral.

If you do not believe (as all the facts mentioned) that more guns will mean more deaths, it's fine. We do not need to continue this. They are way too many comments that prove the futility of these conversations.


Hey, you're the one that brought the "OK Corral" into the discussion, pal. Feel free to bow out any time you choose. You're stating that because Nelson, GA passed a law saying that every head of house in the town must own a firearm, suddenly it will be "the OK Corral all over again..."

Here's a challenge for you:

Find us any jurisdiction in America that passed more lenient gun use laws where the passage of those laws resulted in any kind of dramatic upswing in the crime rate. Any jurisdiction at all. You made the statement that more guns equals more deaths. Back that up with facts, not wishful thinking. Fact is, people will be people, no matter how you arm them (or disarm them).

Here's an interesting take:

Quote:
That means that, based on these statistics, you are more than twice as likely to be a victim of knife crime in the UK as you are to be a victim of gun crime in the US.


Does that mean that you're safer in the US than you are in the UK? Maybe, maybe not. More depends on your own personal habits than on any statistical analysis.

Is banning guns a possible answer? Maybe, maybe not. Reports from Great Britain are inclusive. This report is from mid-June, 2010.


Quote:
The latest figures show knife deaths have almost doubled in the last 30 years.
The total is up 58 on two years ago and 80 more than in the last year of Tory rule.
There are also 60 non-fatal knife crimes daily, with 22,000 recorded in the year.
But the number of people charged in London has more than halved over four years.
Tories got details using freedom of information laws.


Since then, the British government has reported that overall knife crime rates have fallen. They've also changed the way these crimes are reported. Not only that, but since many of the perpetrators are in prison, it just goes to figure that the overall crime rate may very well be lower... at least until the criminals are released again.

You believe what you choose - I'm not here to force ANYONE to own a gun. All I'm saying is that in America, law-abiding Americans have the Constitutional right to choose for themselves whether to own a gun or not.
ByronLord
Posted: Monday, April 8, 2013 10:27:21 PM

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MrNudiePants wrote:

Here's a challenge for you:

Find us any jurisdiction in America that passed more lenient gun use laws where the passage of those laws resulted in any kind of dramatic upswing in the crime rate. Any jurisdiction at all. You made the statement that more guns equals more deaths. Back that up with facts, not wishful thinking. Fact is, people will be people, no matter how you arm them (or disarm them).


Here is a challenge for you:

Why does the US have a gun murder rate over a hundred times that of the UK where all guns other than actual sporting guns (shotguns) are now completely banned?

Why is the US non-gun murder rate almost exactly that of Europe?

It turns out that the US is not actually a more violent society than Europe. It is just the ready access to guns that means far more tense situations end up as murders.

MrNudiePants
Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:23:01 PM

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ByronLord wrote:


Here is a challenge for you:

Why does the US have a gun murder rate over a hundred times that of the UK where all guns other than actual sporting guns (shotguns) are now completely banned?

Why is the US non-gun murder rate almost exactly that of Europe?

It turns out that the US is not actually a more violent society than Europe. It is just the ready access to guns that means far more tense situations end up as murders.


First off, it doesn't. The US does NOT have a murder rate "over a hundred times that of the UK". Saying it does is just a lie. Second, if all guns are banned in the UK, how is it that they have any firearm-related murders at all? Could it be that gun-control laws don't work? Third, here are some actual facts:

The total US murder rate is 4.8 per 100,000, while over-all, a good number to use for Europe is 3.5. Not even close.

The US gun-related murder rate is 3.2 per 100,000. Take that away from the 4.8, and you're left with 1.6 per 100,000. Again, not even close.

Lastly, comparing The United States demographics to any other area of the world may have made sense in the latter part of the 18th century, when most Americans were so closely removed from their origins as to still hold cultural mores and ideals from their homeland. making that same comparison now, two and a half centuries later, is foolishly comparing apples to Chevrolets. We now have little in common with European standards, habits, education levels, and lifestyles. Making any comparison like that has no choice but to be completely erroneous.

It's not the guns that make people violent - it's something in the people themselves. Take away the guns, and you'll get knife attacks like what just occurred at the Lone Star Community College.

All the "solutions" being bandied about are akin to lining America with soft, bouncy rubber mats, taking away every utensil but a spork, and destroying every tool more dangerous than a Nerf gun. Find a way to fix the people, and you won't have to child-proof the world.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:36:08 PM

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Yes, well, it seems none of those stabbed died. Imagine what he could've done with firearms.

It may have been horrific.



Or should we just forget that in the interest of gun owner penis envy?
MrNudiePants
Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:49:39 PM

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Highwayman wrote:
Yes, well, it seems none of those stabbed died. Imagine what he could've done with firearms.

It may have been horrific.

Or should we just forget that in the interest of gun owner penis envy?


Yeah, 'cause he was using a fucking box cutter.

Imagine what he could've done with an improvised explosive device?



Or should we just forget that in the interest of placating an overly-vocal, hoplophobic minority?
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Placed my fully loaded colt ar-15 on my lawn chair facing the street the other day. It laid there for 8 hours. People walking by looked, the mail man looked confused. After siting there for 8 hours I picked it up, pulled the clip out. Not a single shot fired, at this point I am thinking either I have the worlds laziest gun, or it's people who shoot people. Well that's my rant, I got to run. I hear spoons are making people fat.
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Overly vocal, or just using common sense argument against melodrama and nonlinear thought? Not sure what the scrabble points would be for hoplophobic, but cudos on that one.

Those who would use such explosive devices are usually carrying guns so that others "respect their authoratay!" Find a way to fix people? Not gonna happen, but guess what, no matter how looney anyone here is, there are no guns, just cap lock arguments, huffing and puffing, and little digs. When we are unarmed we all count on our wits and style.

BTW, sitting around with a loaded weapon for no reason is just stupid. What reaction would you want from anyone when seeing a person sitting silently with a gun close by. You guys are as mixed as your suppositions.

How many does that one score I wonder?

PS: You might wanna watch out for blue balls since you didn't unload.
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Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2013 7:36:57 PM

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MrNudiePants wrote:


The school resource officer will know that the person (or persons) walking around shooting people is the threat, no matter how they're dressed, and will be properly trained to assess the threat and respond. The only other choice brings the phrase "fish in a barrel" to mind.


Yes and I am sure that every school in the USA will be able to find the money to hire and train a school resource officer to properly asses the threat and respond since every school in the USA is just over flowing with money and teachers are just paid so well that adding another non-teaching staff member won't cause any sort of money drain at all!

(SARCASM!)
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/politics/senate-guns-vote/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

The figure of 90% is probably an exaggeration when talking about what percentage of Americans support background checks on guns purchased at gun shows and online. Nevertheless, shame on those who can't even support the same checks that already exist for guns bought in stores. Funny how the NRA used to support the background checks that these motherfuckers now lied and twisted facts to help defeat.

Fuck this country sometimes, seriously. Slippery-slope, big-brother, my ass. This makes no sense.

I'll now await the cavalcade of shirtless crazies to use the word "jackboots" somewhere in their response.
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Focus on about 100 death people and ignore tousands and millions of civil deaths caused from US military in wars. Lets talk about relations.


P.S. Not saying any life is worthless, but there should be some reasonable priorities.
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fesselnd wrote:
Focus on about 100 death people and ignore tousands and millions of civil deaths caused from US military in wars.


You can focus on that if you'd like; it seems like a worthwhile subject. I recommend you start a new thread if you'd like to discuss it. But this one is about gun control policy, which is also a dire situation.
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fesselnd wrote:
Focus on about 100 death people and ignore tousands and millions of civil deaths caused from US military in wars. Lets talk about relations.


P.S. Not saying any life is worthless, but there should be some reasonable priorities.


Well the 100 deaths was updated (as in the title) to Dec 21, 2012

as about a month ago (Mar 22, 2013 8:03 pm EST) we're at 2,244 more people. Shy of 25 per day.

p.s. Would that be a reasonable priority?

========================================================================================


Regarding to the gun control (or not)

I just received this email:

Dear ......

The Senate just voted against gun reform.

If all Democrats voted "yes," we would have gotten 60 votes and defeated Republican obstruction. But 4 Democrats voted with the NRA -- against 91% of the public who support background checks on gun sales.

It's outrageous. But the fight isn't over. Another vote will be scheduled.

We're increasing the pressure by running full-page ads in the states of Democratic senators who voted no -- to shame them and feature the voices of local gun owners who demand their senators reverse course and support reform.




Thanks for being a bold progressive.

-- Stephanie Taylor, Adam Green, Amanda Johnson, Anton Medvedev, and the PCCC team

P.S. The Democrats who voted against reform are Max Baucus (D-MT), Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Mark Begich (D-AK).

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fesselnd
Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:48:03 AM

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keoloke wrote:


Well the 100 deaths was updated (as in the title) to Dec 21, 2012

as about a month ago (Mar 22, 2013 8:03 pm EST) we're at 2,244 more people. Shy of 25 per day.

p.s. Would that be a reasonable priority?



Because what you guys are doing is symptome-fighting and not cause-fighting. Guns dont kill people. People who use guns kill people. But they could use knifes, selfmade bombs, etc.

The point is that people - who want to harm other people physicially - will always get their weapon for it. Illegally or selfmade if necessary. So when you ban guns you will only harm the people who have them for self-defence.

As an example about the Batman-Shooting. If there is no one in the cinema where the shooting starts all you can do is run away. If one of the people got an gun for self-defence he could liquidate the shooter before he could do more harm.




Instead of working on the actualy cause linked into society you found your scapegoat, push out some tears and thats it. But scapegoating never solved problems.



Just a few examples:


- Since 9/11 you got more and more police and safeties in your country. Yet the number of terristic acts and gun-rampages is increasing. -> The higher "safety" isnt working, yet you give up freedom because of it

- You have violence in every media. Your people are exposed to violence each day. Think thats healthy? Common Sense tells me its not.

- Your goverment is in constant war and therefor an bad rolemodel. Around 120.000 Civil deaths alone in the Iraq-war since 2003. And thats just direct deaths. Not even involved indirect deaths of the destroy infrastructure.

- Of all the school-rampages it is proven that more than 95% of the shooters were on constant pharmaceutical drugs. No one blames medics though who can later your personality.

- Increasing proverty is forcing desperate people to become criminal.

- Your prison-system is an whole lobby earning money with laws.

- Instead of educating the people to solidarity and cooperation your whole system forces egoism.

- 80-90% of your medias is owned by 6 companies (GE, News-Corp, Disney, Viacom, Time Warner & CBS) and you still think you get neutral news coverage.






Now think about if scapegoating on guns really is the right way to fix things or if you start opening your eyes and search objectively for the cause of the problems and dont get hyper and emotional about the symptoms (terroristic acts)
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