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DirtyMartini
Posted: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:26:51 PM

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This was posted in my LSF Yahoo group earlier today...important stuff my friends...

Lois Winston via yahoogroups.com
1:57 PM (3 hours ago)

to undisclosed recipients

There's a petition on Change.org to get Amazon to change their policy regarding ebook returns/refunds. Right now too many people are buying ebooks, reading them within the 7 days allotted for returns, then returning them for a full refund. There are people who cheerfully brag about doing this and see nothing wrong with it. I and many others see it as another form of piracy. Whether you're traditionally published or indie published, this policy negatively affects authors' incomes. If you're interested in signing, here's the link:

Amazon Kindle e-Book Return Policy: Stop allowing refunds on e-Books after e-Books have been read.
http://www.change.org/petitions/amazon-kindle-e-book-return-policy-stop-allowing-refunds-on-e-books-after-e-books-have-been-read


And here's a tweet to help spread the word:
Pls RT Sign & spread the word: #Change.org petition against #Amazon #ebook return policy. http://ow.ly/jATIZ

Feel free to pass this post along to others.
Lois

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Amazon Kindle e-Book Return Policy: Stop allowing refunds on e-Books after e-Books have been read.



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Michael
Posted: Sunday, March 31, 2013 3:39:00 AM

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Thanks Alan,

I agree, and have added my support as well.
After 30 minutes reading an authors words, you have decided to read it all or cast it aside. Don't belittle an authors efforts, but allow the reader to return within 30 minutes. More than enough time...


nicola
Posted: Sunday, March 31, 2013 2:34:35 PM

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You can read a preview on Amazon. You can skim a book in a bookshop.

Making a poor purchasing decision is your fault. Asking for a refund, is pretty pathetic if you ask me.

I can read a book in a day, the 7 day refund ruling as it stands, is hopeless.
Liz
Posted: Sunday, March 31, 2013 2:52:41 PM

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nicola wrote:
You can read a preview on Amazon. You can skim a book in a bookshop.

Making a poor purchasing decision is your fault. Asking for a refund, is pretty pathetic if you ask me.

I can read a book in a day, the 7 day refund ruling as it stands, is hopeless.


Here here! 3601
Couldn't agree more.




Mazza
Posted: Sunday, March 31, 2013 2:59:14 PM

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Thanks DM!!
Frank
Posted: Sunday, March 31, 2013 3:16:26 PM

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So do Apple allow one to download a track or album and then return it?
I think not.
Amazon should cut the bullshit and work with reality.
Rules to protect consumers should be appropriate to the product on offer.
Be pious about taxes due before screwing an impotent supplier.

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Guest
Posted: Sunday, March 31, 2013 3:59:40 PM

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Holy Mac!! I had no idea that was even possible... I couldn't agree more with this petition! Great post!
AbigailThornton
Posted: Sunday, March 31, 2013 5:56:30 PM

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This argument has a fundamental flaw:

The kinds of people you're talking about - who do the 'read and refund' thing - almost certainly wouldn't buy your book in the first place if they couldn't return it. Forget about them, they are a waste of your time and effort.

Amazon aren't the enemy. They hate refunds too; just as much as us and just as much as every other shop. Don't forget that they lose their money on the sale too and refunds are a pain in their ass. It's a service that their customers want and it's a service that INCREASES overall sales. Amazon aren't stupid. The vast majority of their customers don't behave as described above and a lot of customers buy things with the safety net of being able to return them that they wouldn't otherwise buy.

If you don't want to see refunds, sell through Smashwords - once you get a sale there, it stays sold.

If you don't want to give your books away on Amazon through promotions, you're missing a trick by not publishing through Smashwords anyway - it doesn't take long (30 mins) to reformat an ebook for their 'meatgrinder' and the Smashwords keyword search is vastly superior to Amazon's, making your ebooks much easier to find (and thereby sell).

'Secret' to selling books? Write a great book that people want to read. Best marketing tool? Write another one.

Everything else is just pulling at threads and hoping.

Guest
Posted: Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:04:55 PM

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signed and tweeted.

always happy to help
DirtyMartini
Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:38:17 AM

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Here's something somewhat related...Caridad Piñeiro, who is a New York Times bestselling romance author, and just so happens to be an attorney as well, has been talking about this in my LSF Yahoo group as of late...basically the ruling is that you can't resell eBooks...this just came out in the Writing-World newsletter...

ReDigi Case Ruling - You Can't Resell Ebooks

If we and Publisher's Weekly have interpreted this properly, the ruling by federal judge Richard Sullivan has rejected the expansion of first sale to cover digital products such as ebooks and mp3 files. This is one area of law we all need to keep a close eye on.

In ReDigi Case, Court Forcefully Rejects Digital First Sale
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/digital/copyright/article/56632-in-redigi-case-court-rejects-digital-first-sale.html



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