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freakycactus
Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:42:17 PM

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Tank134 wrote:
Rape Porn should be illegal we've accepted that.


Why should it be? If its rape porn then it is role play and involves consenting adults. If it is a video of abuse then that is something totally different and it should already be illegal.

Rape role play isn't something I understand or ever want to participate in but there are people who enjoy it, why shouldn't they be able to watch a video of consenting adults acting out a scene?

Tank134 wrote:
Cameron is, and always will be an ignorant twat


Couldn't agree with you more.

overmykneenow
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 12:37:55 AM

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I'm no expert on child protection but then neither is David Cameron and neither is the editor of the Daily Mail

The global charity Save The Children however are experts in this field. Here's their statement, made with a number of other child protection groups when similar legislation was proposed in Australia.

Save the Chiildren joint statement on internet censorship

Parenting should be left to parents not the tabloid press or politicians looking to appeal to the lowest common denominator




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Tank134
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 5:09:13 PM

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When I said 'rape porn' i should have been clearer. I meant sexual videos where at least one of the participants have not given consent. BDSM porn however is totally legal since it is between two, or more consenting adults
freakycactus
Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:59:29 AM

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Tank134 wrote:
When I said 'rape porn' i should have been clearer. I meant sexual videos where at least one of the participants have not given consent. BDSM porn however is totally legal since it is between two, or more consenting adults


So you're against rape and people recording it and other people watching it knowing what they are seeing? Good. So is the law.

The law around BDSM is shady and in many cases is against it despite the acts being consensual.

ByronLord
Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:02:26 AM

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The news media reports all have the same error in the reports. This is not a ban that WILL happen, it is proposals the government will make to parliament.

Cameron does not run the UK, parliament does. And Cameron's political party does not even have a majority in the house. It is very likely that the Liberals will have objections to the measures and there is a real chance that the proposals can be killed in committee as the unworkable aspects are exposed.

I met Cameron while we were at Oxford together. He was a member of the Bullingdon club which is a group of rich hooray Henrys who used to smash up restaurants and bars. I am not taking any lessons in morality or public decency from him. This is just a sop to the aging members of Cameron's party, most of whom are in their 70s and still haven't come to terms with the 60s revolution yet.

Shylass
Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:27:34 AM

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ByronLord wrote:
The news media reports all have the same error in the reports. This is not a ban that WILL happen, it is proposals the government will make to parliament.

Cameron does not run the UK, parliament does. And Cameron's political party does not even have a majority in the house. It is very likely that the Liberals will have objections to the measures and there is a real chance that the proposals can be killed in committee as the unworkable aspects are exposed.

I met Cameron while we were at Oxford together. He was a member of the Bullingdon club which is a group of rich hooray Henrys who used to smash up restaurants and bars. I am not taking any lessons in morality or public decency from him. This is just a sop to the aging members of Cameron's party, most of whom are in their 70s and still haven't come to terms with the 60s revolution yet.


Maybe if they spent less time screwing us and more time wanking themselves off (to porn), we'd all be happier. dancenude

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Mazza
Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:12:49 PM

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Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:30:53 PM

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Politics + bullshit. The Pm is not in the same class as most of us. He is a wanker, while we wank and have fun.

Pervs will always find a way, the rest of us just make do.
Milik_Redman
Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:32:06 PM

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sprite wrote:
Frankly, i'm curious how they intend to define "pornography". it could easily fall under a wide spectrum, including erotica.


In court cases in the US, this has often become the truly contentious point. To date, the court struggles to define where Art stops and porn begins.

A measure such as this is actually far stronger than anything the US has seen in decades. To me, it contains provisions that are draconian in affect. There are many who enjoy porn that will feel bullied into being fearful of asking their provider to unlock their IP's.

Amazingly, for the first time in a long time I can say I'm thankful that something like this could not (easily) happen here. The courts here would be tied up for years trying to sort out the subtle nuances of it. By the time they did, the offended politico would be out of office.
kylie_kained
Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:26:01 PM

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I use my service providers own Security why you may ask. It's very simple, each device connected via my router can then have seperate filters keeping family safe.
















Buz
Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:21:18 PM

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ByronLord answered the question I was going to ask about wouldn't it have to be legislated in Parliament.

If I were y'all in the UK, I'd raise hell with my Parliament representatives to make sure that measure was rejected.

Fight over oppressive and abusive government control relentlessly! Freedom is when the citizens have control over the government and oppression is when government has control over the people.

jb101
Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2013 4:21:07 PM

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I find this whole thing ludicrous! It's just not workable, so there's no need for knickers to be in a twist about it.

I'm in the U.K., and I have to access the net through some pretty draconian filters right now. It's not a situation that I chose to be in. When the filters were turned on, I could no longer access Lush. But there is no way that I can get them turned off. However, as you can see, I am signed in on Lush.

It is very, very easy to circumvent this type of filtering.
Ryario_Darkstar
Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:53:50 PM

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Just one comment: I thought the bs that happening here in the states was f-ed but the UK seems to be getting it worse goes to show politics don't work anywhere

Before you raise your pitch forks, and yell at me, Im at the point were I have no faith in politics whatsoever and shit like this doesn't surprise me at all, It seem the people who actually want to help fix things can't get in because there not in someones pocket....sigh.... kinda of a relief its not just here in the us but just about everywhere there are politics. Makes me wonder what are the qualifications to get into politics

1. Go to an over priced school
2. look down on the common man.
3. get mad at everyone who thinks differently than you.
---side note being louder means your right...

enough poking fun but you get my point
nicola
Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013 1:27:48 AM

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I don't believe lushstories.com is classified as porn, and I don't believe the UK gov't believes that either.

Our stats bear that out:

July: United Kingdom 11.19%

August: United Kingdom 11.20%

They will be going for the big tubes and obvious pay for porn sites. We're a free erotic story site, hardly in the same ballpark. My 2 cents



Shylass
Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013 1:48:08 AM

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jb101 wrote:
I find this whole thing ludicrous! It's just not workable, so there's no need for knickers to be in a twist about it.

I'm in the U.K., and I have to access the net through some pretty draconian filters right now. It's not a situation that I chose to be in. When the filters were turned on, I could no longer access Lush. But there is no way that I can get them turned off. However, as you can see, I am signed in on Lush.

It is very, very easy to circumvent this type of filtering.


It's easy if you know how or can afford a phone contract that allows it.



nicola wrote:
I don't believe lushstories.com is classified as porn, and I don't believe the UK gov't believes that either.

Our stats bear that out:

July: United Kingdom 11.19%

August: United Kingdom 11.20%

They will be going for the big tubes and obvious pay for porn sites. We're a free erotic story site, hardly in the same ballpark. My 2 cents





According to Cafe Nero's free wifi (The Cloud), it is porn, "of an adult nature", and denies access.

Did you read how "Hamlet" was recently banned from the British library network because of violence?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23680689

If this does go through, we'll find a lot of things like that, even nursing sites with graphic medical photos, will be blocked. I know, as a family member put the kid lock on our wifi. Took me ages to get them to turn it back off. The thing is, these sites can be unblocked by request and the provider researching it, but that requires reports and waiting, or being the one in control of the account.

My biggest issue with this is that I just don't see how it will solve any sort of problem other than to make law-abiding adults feel like they're doing something wrong just because they're looking at the human body or writing words that make people (hopefully) want some Happy Time. Next they'll be requiring some sort of fingerprint coding whenever Channel 4 shows a weird documentary where a lass gets her knickers off and rubs herself against the Eiffel Tower, or something (don't bother watching it; it was really boring). Or something.





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nicola
Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013 2:47:28 AM

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Can you explain then why it's had zero impact whatsoever on our site stats?

Has this "ban" been rolled out nationally in the UK, or was it a pilot scheme in some areas only?

I'm hoping the former.
nicola
Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013 2:58:13 AM

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I just used a proxy server to pretend I was in the UK, and accessed this site with nothing stopping me whatsoever.

The whole thing is quite frankly, ridiculous.
ByronLord
Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013 3:59:22 AM

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nicola wrote:
Can you explain then why it's had zero impact whatsoever on our site stats?

Has this "ban" been rolled out nationally in the UK, or was it a pilot scheme in some areas only?

I'm hoping the former.


Here is what it seems to boil down to.

Cameron knows he does not have the votes in parliament to put through a censorship bill. The LibDems would never support it and Labour would vote against just to spite the Tories and make them look stupid.

So what he did was to cut a deal with 'the major ISPs' to turn on porn filtering 'by default'. Which it seems like they have only agreed to do for new accounts and they have simply changed the setting of a checkbox in the signup screen to on.

Only there seems to be some doubt as to what the ISPs have actually agreed to do and which ones have agreed to do it.

I would not expect the proxy server folk to sign up for Cameron's porn filtering since their business is giving people access to more stuff, not less. All those UK only dogging feeds and the live feed off swingscorpe.

Shylass
Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013 3:25:25 PM

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nicola wrote:
Can you explain then why it's had zero impact whatsoever on our site stats?

Has this "ban" been rolled out nationally in the UK, or was it a pilot scheme in some areas only?

I'm hoping the former.


No, it hasn't happened yet, but they're making it sound like it will for definite. Cameron wants it to happen nation-wide, and is telling us that the main service providers have agreed to it, apparently.

The original article says this:


Quote:
Most households in the UK will have pornography blocked by their internet provider unless they choose to receive it, David Cameron has announced.

The new measures will apply to both existing and new customers.

In his speech, Mr Cameron said family-friendly filters would be automatically selected for all new customers by the end of the year - although they could choose to switch them off.

Customers who do not click on either option - accepting or declining - will have filters activated by default, Tory MP Claire Perry, Mr Cameron's adviser on the sexualisation and commercialisation of childhood, told the BBC.

The UK's biggest internet service providers have agreed to the filters scheme meaning it should cover 95% of homes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076

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Posted: Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:22:02 AM

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It's ok, Ive got enough porn to keep us all going.
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