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Dani
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:04:00 AM

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WHEN are you going to understand that while what you say is true, it involves changing OTHERS and is therefor impossible? The ONLY person you can EVER change is? YOU Life isn't fair, reality often BITES and I agree that those facts suck. And, your point is? I chose to REALIZE that reality is not something I CAN change and that I can only DEAL with. CAN changes be made? YES, but it won't happen TODAY.So for NOW I HAVE TO accept WHAT IS no matter how much it SUCKS! WORK towards these goals of changing mindsets? YES! BY ALL MEANS! But, that does NOT change TODAY'S reality nor does making myself NEEDLESS a victim or even a POTENTIAL victim of the animals we all KNOW live among us a reasonable alternative.


I hate talking like this in the Think Tank, or in general, but this is stupid.

This is a stupid post.

And still a cop out.

'If you don't wanna get raped, stop getting raped.' That's pretty much what you're saying.


Magical_felix
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:05:07 AM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
Just a random thought... (not directed at anyone specifically).

Imagine there was an endless rash (and new trend) of spree-killings that had been going on for the last two decades of strong females with guns and ammo, doing cross-country Thelma and Louise style killings of guys coming out of bars or hanging out at their frat houses or just studying on their college campuses. Maybe they're even beating them to within an inch of their lives (think Zoe Saldana types in Columbiana) and then you see their youtube vids and the girls are saying "yeah, this is what men get for fucking with us, raping us, hitting us, cheating on us, and treating us like sex toys with zero respect." and others saying "Yeah, damnit, my boyfriend dicked me around and now my child-bearing years are gone, so I'm gonna take down every smarmy alpha male or hot guy that I see!" Let's say this is what's constantly in the news.

And then you see all this inexplicable social media support from other girls saying how these women are heroes, and they're laughing about the violence, saying they wish they could do the exact same thing and that these men got what was coming to them - not for anything they did - but just for being part of the wrong gender.

And someone makes a thread on Lush about how awful this violence is and what women need to do to take down this sense of revenge, resentment and animosity towards men. That violence begets violence and it doesn't make it right or acceptable. But almost nobody actually says this.

People talk about guns instead - and how guys need to figure out how to protect themselves and sure, violence against men is bad, but that's just the way it is now - nothing we can really do to change that - so guys need to suck it up and get more ammo if they want to stay alive. Or better yet stop drinking, doing drugs, having wild sex-lives or being commitment phobes, cause you never know if the next girl you piss off is going to put a bullet in your head.

And then you see females posting things like "well... the fact that those guys coming out of the bar were drunk when they were gunned down... it's kind of like they were partly at fault for putting themselves in that situation in the first place," and "hey, the fact that men watch UFC, play video games and watch action movies - it kind of sends the wrong message to young impressionable women that they enjoy and accept violence, so really - it's like they're contributing to their own murder rate." *shrugs* "You guys need to make some real changes, cause this is the new normal, baby!"

It sounds insensitive and wrong to focus on the victims, doesn't it?

That's why women are disturbed by the sentiments in the media, youtube channels, twitter commentary, and thread posts when the Elliot Rodgers of the world happen. Because in this world, we tend to be natural conformists - we tend to be influenced by our peers, social media and our culture. The whole basis and theory of advertising and marketing is hinged on this ingrained trait! Do what you can do to stop promoting a culture of gender-violence and it can start in little ways - within your own social circles, your peer groups, your social media, the incidences of violence and intimidation you see everyday on the streets, at schools, in locker-rooms and in bars. The list I posted earlier hits on just a few ways 'guys' can make a difference - it's about what you project yourself and what you refuse to stand for. I would do the same if trends of gender-violence was reversed.


I suspect with the majority of lawmakers, politicians, owners of media outlets all being men that serious actions would be taken to put a spotlight on the behavior every single day and laws passed swiftly to attempt to prevent it.



Weavindreams
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:10:26 AM

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Dani wrote:


I hate talking like this in the Think Tank, or in general, but this is stupid.

This is a stupid post.


Oh so living in the REAL world, while working to change that reality is "Stupid"? At NO point did I say what you assert, thank you.I'd REALLY love to hear your definition of brilliant.

Weavindreams
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:16:54 AM

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Magical_felix wrote:


I can just imagine that lawyer... Or would you be representing yourself? laughing8


AMAZING and proof positive that your previous CLAIMS were bogus! You COULD and DID delve MUCH further back in the forums to dig out these quotes wherein I state that people often find themselves paying the price of their own stupidity (as if that is somehow derogatory) and yet when I asked about the posts wherein you CLAIM I called those two ADMITTED LIARS, "whores" (I called them the LIARS that have proven themselves to be!) THAT is "too much bother". Gee, Felix any more PROOF of your own lying, truth twisting nature you'd like to offer up? Speaking of "disgusting" what could be MORE so than an utter and self proven hypocrite? When you STOP engaging in the very behavior you profess to abhor perhaps you'll have SOME measure of credibility, between now and then...

Dani
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:18:01 AM

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Weavindreams wrote:


Oh so living in the REAL world, while working to change that reality is "Stupid"? I'd REALLY love to hear your definition of brilliant.


It doesn't take brilliance to offer a better solution than, 'The world is fucked up for you women. Not much you can do about it. Sucks for you.'

And if that's truly the best you can do, I totally understand and respect that. But maybe it's best you sit this one out, then.

So if the unarmed woman is assaulted, then it's her fault for being unarmed? Wow.


Weavindreams
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:30:43 AM

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Dani wrote:


It doesn't take brilliance to offer a better solution than, 'The world is fucked up for you women. Not much you can do about it. Sucks for you.'

And if that's truly the best you can do, I totally understand and respect that. But maybe it's best you sit this one out, then.


Wrong again but getting warmer. I SAID, the CURRENT reality DOES suck, but that the solution does NOT lie in creating yet MORE helpless victims! It lies in realizing what can and cannot be changed and working to change what we CAN!) in other words, the MINDSET that is the under lying CAUSE as you yourself point out! Further, it ALSO requires an understanding of the FACT that mindsets CANNOT be changed overnight.

Magical_felix
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:31:15 AM

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Weavindreams wrote:


these quotes wherein I state that people often find themselves paying the price of their own stupidity (as if that is somehow derogatory)


I decided not to pull up those quotes of you ranting and harrassing specific women because it wouldn't be fair to them to bring it up again and I hope they haven't read this thread so it doesn't remind them of the stress you caused them. (if they did I apologize to them - not you - but to them yes.)

"Paying the price for their own stupidity" - weavindreams.

You are saying it is the victim's fault. The quotes I posted by you can not be misinterpreted or twisted or skewed in any way. They are your direct words blaming the victim for allowing someone to take advantage of them. You say that if she didn't want her pornographic pictures up on the internet she shouldn't have trusted her boyfriend to take them. You don't say that it was wrong that her boyfriend posted them. You don't say that it's wrong many men can't be trusted to not victimize a women. You say it's wrong that a woman trusted a man and allowed herself to be victimize.

Here, I'll post them again so you reread your own words. I am not twisting any of them.

Magical_felix wrote:
This is what you said about men posting pornographic videos of women on the internet without them knowing.

Weavindreams wrote:
Folks, ANY consenting adult SHOULD reasonably know better than to LEAVE photos or video of them doing ANYTHING they wouldn't want the world to see in the hands of a "former" lover. Sorry, but I have neither sympathy nor pity for the terminally stupid.


Weavindreams wrote:
Pardon me if I'm not all weepy eyed because someone got stupid and left something behind they should REASONABLY have known NOT TOO!


Weavindreams wrote:
The ONLY thing they were victims OF was their own stupidity. So, lock up the person they idiotically left with photos or videos they SHOULD have known better than to leave behind and then pissed off that person off by screwing around on them or screwing them over in some way.


The third quote by you that I bolded is especially telling of your mentality.

I hope no woman is ever left at your mercy in the real world.







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Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:35:15 AM

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Magical_felix wrote:


The third quote by you that I bolded is especially telling of your mentality.

I hope no woman is ever left at your mercy in the real world.





Oh I see so NOW you're saying that WOMEN are NOT adults but children? And as such are NOT responsible for THEIR OWN DECISIONS? Hmm THAT IS an interesting mindset.

And, FYI; MANY women have had their safety and protection left in my hands in my capacity as a bouncer, and as a Security Officer (I was MOST diligent in performing my duties, unlike several others who were too busy FLIRTING to DO THE JOB AT HAND!) WHY do YOU remind me of THOSE guys?


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Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:38:03 AM

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Weavindreams wrote:


WHEN are you going to understand that while what you say is true, it involves changing OTHERS and is therefor impossible? The ONLY person you can EVER change is? YOU Life isn't fair, reality often BITES and I agree that those facts suck. And, your point is? I chose to REALIZE that reality is not something I CAN change and that I can only DEAL with. CAN changes be made? YES, but it won't happen TODAY.So for NOW I HAVE TO accept WHAT IS no matter how much it SUCKS! WORK towards these goals of changing mindsets? YES! BY ALL MEANS! But, that does NOT change TODAY'S reality nor does making myself NEEDLESS a victim or even a POTENTIAL victim of the animals we all KNOW live among us a reasonable alternative.



You're aiding and abetting rapes, and acts of violence, and patriarchal and misogynistic society, by your attitudes, by your assumptions about women, and by your apathy in the face of evil. Is that what your time in the armed forces taught you? To shrug when confronted with evil? It's what you're doing now. You're shrugging at a world that allows this to happen to women, and you're asking women to shrug too. Outrageous, but also sort of a pitiful lack of intellect as well as empathy.


Poor guy, you don't even know how fucked up your worldview is.
Magical_felix
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:43:19 AM

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Weavindreams wrote:


Oh I see so NOW you're saying that WOMEN are NOT adults but children? And as such are NOT responsible for THEIR OWN DECISIONS? Hmm THAT IS an interesting mindset.


The fact that you interpreted my words that way is more telling of your mentality than mind. Getting raped is never someone's decision.

Weavindreams wrote:

(I was MOST diligent in performing my duties, unlike several others who were too busy FLIRTING to DO THE JOB AT HAND!) WHY do YOU remind me of THOSE guys?


Because you were probably jealous of the guys that knew how to flirt with women properly and you focused on them and the women that ignored you and left you holding your cock.



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Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:44:04 AM

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You're aiding and abetting rapes, and acts of violence, and patriarchal and misogynistic society, by your attitudes, by your assumptions about women, and by your apathy in the face of evil. Is that what your time in the armed forces taught you? To shrug when confronted with evil? It's what you're doing now. You're shrugging at a world that allows this to happen to women, and you're asking women to shrug too. Outrageous, but also sort of a pitiful lack of intellect as well as empathy.


Poor guy, you don't even know how fucked up your worldview is.


Go read the above post then try again. I don't CHOSE to live in a fantasy world, I accept that there ARE things that cannot be changed and others that will require TIME AND WORK to change. I DO NOT deceive myself into thinking that some politician can wave their hand and magically pass legislation that will transform the two legged animals walking amongst us into law abiding angels. Yet MY world view is "fucked up"? Really?

The funnier part being that the vast majority of my life's work has been protecting the weak and innocent FROM said predators.

Magical_felix
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:48:49 AM

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Weavindreams wrote:


Go read the above post then try again. I don't CHOSE to live in a fantasy world


Oh, so you are touching on mental health now... You don't chose to be mentally ill. Well, I can accept that.



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Weavindreams wrote:


Go read the above post then try again. I don't CHOSE to live in a fantasy world, I accept that there ARE things that cannot be changed and others that will require TIME AND WORK to change. I DO NOT deceive myself into thinking that some politician can wave their hand and magically pass legislation that will transform the two legged animals walking amongst us into law abiding angels. Yet MY world view is "fucked up"? Really?

The funnier part being that the vast majority of my life's work has been protecting the weak and innocent FROM said predators.


You're not really impressing anyone and nobody cares about your life's work. Your worldview is still extremely warped and counter-intuitive. There are certainly things people can do that can and will solve a lot of these issues, but people like you are preventing that from ever happening.

By the way, CAPITALISING random WORDS for NO reason is REALLY annoying and I think I speak for EVERYONE else in THIS thread when I SAY that you should STOP, it DOESN'T get your POINT across any better than TYPING NORMALLY.
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Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:52:05 AM

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Magical_felix wrote:


Because you were probably jealous of the guys that knew how to flirt with women properly and you focused on them and the women that ignored you and left you holding your cock.


Word twisting at it's finest but why should I EXPECT any better from you. You post quotes and when I respond to THOSE you bring up rape. A pathetic joke, that's ALL you truly are. No, THE JOB was to PROTECT people, NOT try to get laid. But, as your dick seems to be the only working part of your anatomy ( the BRAIN isn't functioning and any semblance of integrity, or recognition of RESPONSIBILTY are BOTH clearly MISSING what else could I expect in the way of a response?).

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Weavindreams wrote:


Go read the above post then try again. I don't CHOSE to live in a fantasy world, I accept that there ARE things that cannot be changed and others that will require TIME AND WORK to change. I DO NOT deceive myself into thinking that some politician can wave their hand and magically pass legislation that will transform the two legged animals walking amongst us into law abiding angels. Yet MY world view is "fucked up"? Really?

The funnier part being that the vast majority of my life's work has been protecting the weak and innocent FROM said predators.


I can read the above post 15 times, it still looks the same to me, chief.

Who has suggested that politicians can magically change anything? Who suggested anything can happen overnight? Of course it takes time and work. Some of us are proposing what that work is consisting of, and what do you say about it?

(shrug) "you can't change people, you can only stop being a victim."

That's not a fantasy world, that's apathy in the face of evil and indifference to others' struggles.
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Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:53:39 AM

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You're not really impressing anyone and nobody cares about your life's work.


Being ex-military (if it's even true and to what extant who knows) Isn't a get out of jail free card for being asshole. An ex-anything isn't a get out of jail free card for being asshole.

And oh wow he was a security guard... He walked around a strip mall ready to blow a whistle at kids on skate boards. Oh man.



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Magical_felix wrote:


Oh, so you are touching on mental health now... You don't chose to be mentally ill. Well, I can accept that.

More word twisting... surprise.

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You're not really impressing anyone and nobody cares about your life's work. Your worldview is still extremely warped and counter-intuitive. There are certainly things people can do that can and will solve a lot of these issues, but people like you are preventing that from ever happening.

By the way, CAPITALISING random WORDS for NO reason is REALLY annoying and I think I speak for EVERYONE else in THIS thread when I SAY that you should STOP, it DOESN'T get your POINT across any better than TYPING NORMALLY.


It may be annoying but he's just following the Standard Style Guide for Mansplaining®
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Weavindreams wrote:

More word twisting... surprise.


Weavindreams wrote:


Oh I see so NOW you're saying that WOMEN are NOT adults but children? And as such are NOT responsible for THEIR OWN DECISIONS? Hmm THAT IS an interesting mindset.


The fact that you interpreted my words that way is more telling of your mentality than mine. Getting raped is never someone's decision.


You ignored this part of my post. You want to clear up what you meant or are you standing by your statement that women should be responsible for their own decisions when they are abused, raped, harassed, made to feel fearful etc?



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Magical_felix wrote:


Being ex-military (if it's even true and to what extant who knows) Isn't a get out of jail free card for being asshole. An ex-anything isn't a get out of jail free card for being asshole.

And oh wow he was a security guard... He walked around a strip mall ready to blow a whistle at kids on skate boards. Oh man.

Wrong Mr Defamation, I patrolled the grounds of a state run veteran's home and was responsible for the safety and security of over 600 residents and the nursing personnel on duty in the numerous buildings spread over nearly 300 acres from midnight until 0800 hrs. To include an on grounds museum with millions of dollars worth of items on display. But, discredit away... My military time was spent in combat and the lst year as a Brig Guard ASSHOLE what whore house were you hanging out while I was doing that?

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Magical_felix wrote:


The fact that you interpreted my words that way is more telling of your mentality than mind. Getting raped is never someone's decision.

You ignored this part of my post. You want to clear up what you meant or are you standing by your statement that women should be responsible for their own decisions when they are abused, raped, harassed, made to feel fearful etc?


Glad you brought this out into the light. I also eagerly await the response.
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LadyX wrote:


It may be annoying but he's just following the Standard Style Guide for Mansplaining®

No I'm explaining my PERSPECTIVE while being slandered by a small minded, belittling jerk so obsessed with this agenda that he utilizes every dishonest means of "discussion" known to man while being aided and abetted in so doing by a few individuals who would prefer to bitch and moan rather than take ANY responsibility for their own safety and security. All, in the purely childish belief that "Big Brother" should be responsible for every aspect of their lives and some how legislate a perfect world for them to live in!

Felix you master of word twisting, YOU brought in those quotes and it was to THOSE that I was responding as you well KNEW when you CHOSE to once again engage in the obfuscation that seems to be your SECOND favorite pass time. You didn't mention RAPE there nor did I.

Oh and to Lady X WHERE did I say Anything about shrugging it off? I said to do what the CURRENT, EXTENT CIRCUMSTANCES MAKE NECESSARY! If you and others here chose to make yourselves targets that is your prerogative, I'd rather not! Nor, do I want YOU or anyone else making that decision FOR ME!

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Weavindreams wrote:

No I'm explaining my PERSPECTIVE while being slandered by a small minded, belittling jerk so obsessed with this agenda that he utilizes every dishonest means of "discussion" known to man while being aided and abetted in so doing by a few individuals who would prefer to bitch and moan rather than take ANY responsibility for their own safety and security. All, in the purely childish belief that "Big Brother" should be responsible for every aspect of their lives and some how legislate a perfect world for them to live in!
.


ok. Having said that, can you clarify the following for us please?

Weavindreams wrote:


Oh I see so NOW you're saying that WOMEN are NOT adults but children? And as such are NOT responsible for THEIR OWN DECISIONS? Hmm THAT IS an interesting mindset.
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Go look at the quotes dear Felix chose to bring in here from MANY months ago on the subject of pics and vids... THAT was what I was talking about (and HE wells KNOWS IT!) In short, while posting those without permission IS deplorable, the CHOICE to BE photographed in that situation and then TRUST that they would NOT find their way onto the internet was made by? The adult females who made adult (if faulty) decisions. So, to hold them entirely blameless for their own poor judgment and it's consequences is to label women as children incapable of making such decisions.

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Go look at the quotes dear Felix chose to bring in here from MANY months ago on the subject of pics and vids... THAT was what I was talking about (and HE wells KNOWS IT!)


What you don't get is that the same logic applies here. Your argument was that you don't have sympathy for those who give others private photos and memorabilia that later get used against their will. That it's their fault for being stupid and slutty, therefore stupid sluts get what they deserve? Am I doing justice to your point of view here? If not, please explain.
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What you don't get is that the same logic applies here. Your argument was that you don't have sympathy for those who give others private photos and memorabilia that later get used against their will. That it's their fault for being stupid and slutty, therefore stupid sluts get what they deserve? Am I doing justice to your point of view here? If not, please explain.


Look UP. They are not entirely to blame but in this instance their own poor choices WERE a contributing factor ( A LARGE contributing factor in this instance. ) And hence, YES they DO share the blame...for THEIR own actions and faulty decisions NOT for the subsequent actions taken.

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Weavindreams wrote:


Go look at the quotes dear Felix chose to bring in here from MANY months ago on the subject of pics and vids... THAT was what I was talking about (and HE wells KNOWS IT!)


Yes but throughout this thread you have mentioned how women should be responsible for their own decisions. Decisions they made that resulted in them getting abused, raped, harassed, made to feel fearful etc. You have stated that if they had guns this wouldn't happen. You blame them for not making proper decisions like arming themselves or staying sober for them getting raped. You are basically telling them it's their fault for taking a knife to a gun fight. A gun fight that they didn't ask to be a part of.



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Yes but throughout this thread you have mentioned how women should be responsible for their own decisions. Decisions they made that resulted in them getting abused, raped, harassed, made to feel fearful etc. You have stated that if they had guns this wouldn't happen. You blame them for not making proper decisions like arming themselves or staying sober for them getting raped. You are basically telling them it's their fault for taking a knife to a gun fight. A gun fight that they didn't ask to be a part of.


Bullshit extrapolation (gee, more dishonest tactics hmm surprise) I have said that IF they chose to set themselves up as defenseless targets, that is their RIGHT. And it is MY RIGHT NOT TO! Two entirely different meanings.

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Look UP. They are not entirely to blame but in this instance their own poor choices WERE a contributing factor ( A LARGE contributing factor in this instance. ) And hence, YES they DO share the blame...for THEIR own actions and faulty decisions NOT for the subsequent actions taken.


Thanks for clearing that up; this makes you part of the problem. I'm glad to hear that you've spent time protecting the defenseless in some form or another. In this case, you're shrugging with apathy. You hate that she got assaulted I'm sure, but because she didn't carry a weapon, wore sexy clothes, and drank liquor, she can take her complaints someplace else. Maybe next time she can make herself less of a target, right? Boys will be boys!

Typical retrograde misogyny: obsession with the sexuality of the victim, indifference toward the violence itself. You've made this clear. The biggest favor you could do for yourself would be to have some self-awareness. Namely, that you only selectively concern yourself with the vulnerable.


Weavindreams wrote:

) I have said that IF they chose to set themselves up as defenseless targets, that is their RIGHT. And it is MY RIGHT NOT TO! Two entirely different meanings.


Women have the right to be raped. Freedom in 2014 America: savor it.
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Weavindreams wrote:
I have said that IF they chose to set themselves up as defenseless targets, that is their RIGHT. And it is MY RIGHT NOT TO! Two entirely different meanings.


This is the same as saying that instead of buying an umbrella and a raincoat and maybe some boots for the rain, to just run between the raindrops instead.

Or just to stay inside and avoid the elements altogether.

You've said it enough times, no need to repeat it. Guys are gonna rape regardless. So we should just accept the inevitable and govern ourselves accordingly. Message received.

I just hope that someday you don't have a doctor diagnose you with something life threatening and instead of offering possible cures/solutions, he just tells you that death is inevitable. Accept it.


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