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Liz
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 4:13:42 AM

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Okay, I might be reaching, but here goes. Would it be possible to see the percentage of votes to views and the percentage of comments to views? I think that these percentages tell a story.

“What story,” you might ask. Here it is...Based upon my setting ‘only members can vote on my stories’, here’s my take. Views alone are great; however, I want to know the percentage of individuals moved enough to vote and comment on the story or poem.

Here’s an example.

My story Brown has 13,618 views with 81 votes. Now the numbers sound great; however, when I examine the percentage of people who viewed it against those moved to vote, it tells a different picture. .59% of people felt moved enough to vote. (Not so pretty.)

Here’s another example.

My poem Daily Head - A Sonnet has 1200 views with 90 votes. This yields a vote to view percentage of 7.5%. My poem moved more people to vote than my story.

Thanks for the consideration.


I don't think you're ever going to get any sort of meaningful statistic like this. To do so, you'd have to filter your story views to just those by Lush members. Not sure that would be possible.

Some of those 'views' are likely to be search engines crawling the site, or other such automated bots. You also have to consider that a huge chunk of this site's web traffic is through the mobile version of the site.

Would these figures really be representative? I don't think so.

My 2 cents





Liz
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 4:17:35 AM

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For the security-minded, how about an option to enable two-factor authentication for login?

There are some existing apps which it could probably be integrated into, e.g. Authy.

https://www.authy.com



Guest
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:45:23 AM

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Often in a chat room I see someone interesting, but when I move to her bio I can't get back to the chat room. And even though it shows me in the room if the are at a maximum occupancy I am still unable to get back , very frustration!
Liz
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:58:03 AM

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Plunger wrote:
Often in a chat room I see someone interesting, but when I move to her bio I can't get back to the chat room. And even though it shows me in the room if the are at a maximum occupancy I am still unable to get back , very frustration!


Why don't you open their profile in a new browser tab and stay in the chatroom?



noll
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:10:28 AM

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Liz wrote:
Why don't you open their profile in a new browser tab and stay in the chatroom?


Sure, but if he's still considered to be in the chat room he should be able to get back in of course. Ohterwise it's a bug and you could have a crowded room full of people who can't get in Think

Liz
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:15:17 AM

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BiMale73 wrote:

Sure, but if he's still considered to be in the chat room he should be able to get back in of course. Ohterwise it's a bug and you could have a crowded room full of people who can't get in Think


When you navigate out of a chatroom to another page on the site, you leave the chatroom. That's how it's set up.

Perhaps it was programmed this way because not everyone uses the little exit feature. If it kept you logged in, the rooms would quickly fill to capacity with redundant sessions.



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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:59:01 AM

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Liz wrote:


I don't think you're ever going to get any sort of meaningful statistic like this. To do so, you'd have to filter your story views to just those by Lush members. Not sure that would be possible.

Some of those 'views' are likely to be search engines crawling the site, or other such automated bots. You also have to consider that a huge chunk of this site's web traffic is through the mobile version of the site.

Would these figures really be representative? I don't think so.

My 2 cents



Wow, that's interesting, Liz. So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that this site awards stories for automated bot and crawling search engine activity?

If this is the case, then what's the point of counting views? (Just curious)

And by the way, I simply made a suggestion. I did preface it by saying that I thought I was reaching. But the information coming out of the discussion is pretty darn interesting. Thank you, Liz.

Liz
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 7:56:43 AM

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Possibly wrote:

Wow, that's interesting, Liz. So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that this site awards stories for automated bot and crawling search engine activity?

If this is the case, then what's the point of counting views? (Just curious)

And by the way, I simply made a suggestion. I did preface it by saying that I thought I was reaching. But the information coming out of the discussion is pretty darn interesting. Thank you, Liz.


I think you've missed my point somewhat regarding the stats.

If I've understood your original post correctly, you would like to work out what percentage of people reading your stories are actually commenting. You've also stated that you have your stories set to only allow comments from registered Lush members. In order for these stats to make any sense, you would need to disallow all 'views' on your stories where commenting was either not possible (non-registered members and mobile site viewers), or not applicable (automated hits from bots or search engine spiders). If you don't, you'll will have polluted your calculation and will never have any kind of representative sample.

As for the bots/spiders, I'm sure in the grand scheme of things that their impact on the figures is miniscule.



noll
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:08:45 AM

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Liz wrote:
When you navigate out of a chatroom to another page on the site, you leave the chatroom. That's how it's set up.


That makes sense, but if I understand Plunger's post correctly, then the site says he's still in the chat room (I guess under the "Who's online?" link on the chat index page) when he's not and can't get in.
Perhaps it's a cache issue.

noll
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:13:52 AM

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Possibly wrote:
Wow, that's interesting, Liz. So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that this site awards stories for automated bot and crawling search engine activity?


It's not possible to filter out all bots/crawlers. Some well known ones may be easy to detect, but many aren't. It's just the reality of web visitor analytics.

AltaBrwnSgr
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:17:20 AM

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Liz wrote:


I think you've missed my point somewhat regarding the stats.

If I've understood your original post correctly, you would like to work out what percentage of people reading your stories are actually commenting. You've also stated that you have your stories set to only allow comments from registered Lush members. In order for these stats to make any sense, you would need to disallow all 'views' on your stories where commenting was either not possible (non-registered members and mobile site viewers), or not applicable (automated hits from bots or search engine spiders). If you don't, you'll will have polluted your calculation and will never have any kind of representative sample.

As for the bots/spiders, I'm sure in the grand scheme of things that their impact on the figures is miniscule.


No, I understand your point quite well. Just to clarify, I turned on the setting 'only members can vote on my story'.

And no, I think there's a little confusion with my 'suggestion'. I'd like to see two percentages on the story:

1. Votes-to-views to show how many people are moved to vote.
2. Comments-to-views to show how many people are moved to comment.

I simply used two examples of 'votes-to-views' to show the percentage outcomes. I am not looking for a vote-to-comment percentage.

Question: What is the definition of a view? Is it how many times someone 'reads' the story? Or is it how many times the page's been hit?

Liz
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:19:49 AM

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BiMale73 wrote:

That makes sense, but if I understand Plunger's post correctly, then the site says he's still in the chat room (I guess under the "Who's online?" link on the chat index page) when he's not and can't get in.
Perhaps it's a cache issue.


I tested this myself and it logged me out fine. Not sure why it would still show him in the room if he navigates out.

Possibly a cache issue.

Opening any other pages in a new tab solves his problem though :)



AltaBrwnSgr
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:24:41 AM

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BiMale73 wrote:


It's not possible to filter out all bots/crawlers. Some well known ones may be easy to detect, but many aren't. It's just the reality of web visitor analytics.


Thanks for the information!

Liz
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:27:47 AM

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No, I understand your point quite well. Just to clarify, I turned on the setting 'only members can vote on my story'.

And no, I think there's a little confusion with my 'suggestion'. I'd like to see two percentages on the story:

1. Votes-to-views to show how many people are moved to vote.
2. Comments-to-views to show how many people are moved to comment.

I simply used two examples of 'votes-to-views' to show the percentage outcomes. I am not looking for a vote-to-comment percentage.

Question: What is the definition of a view? Is it how many times someone 'reads' the story? Or is it how many times the page's been hit?


It doesn't matter, the same principal applies. You would still need to eliminate all 'views' that were unable to vote, in order for any stat to tell you anything.

Let's say you had 1,000 views on a story, but only 100 of those were from people actually capable of voting on it. Let's also say that all 100 people who clicked on it, read it and scored on it. Your 'votes-to-views' stat should be 100%, but in reality it would show only 10%. That's because it is still taking into account all the people that viewed the story from the mobile site, from the android app, etc...

In answer to your question, it would obviously be page hits (most likely unique) because a computer is never going to know if a story was actually read or not.



AltaBrwnSgr
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:35:03 AM

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Liz wrote:


It doesn't matter, the same principal applies. You would still need to eliminate all 'views' that were unable to vote in order for any stat to tell you anything.

Let's say you had 1,000 views on a story, but only 100 of those were from people actually capable of voting on it. Let's also say that all 100 people who clicked on it, read it and scored on it. Your 'votes-to-views' stat should be 100%, but in reality it would show only 10%. That's because it is still taking into account all the people that viewed the story from the mobile site, from the android app, etc...

In answer to your question, it would obviously be page hits (most likely unique) because a computer is never going to know if a story was actually read or not.


I understand. So, I ask again,

Possibly wrote:

So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that this site awards stories for automated bot and crawling search engine activity?


Liz
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:38:08 AM

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I understand. So, I ask again,


I believe both myself and BiMale73 have covered this for you.

The impact of any automated hits is likely minuscule, and I'm sure impossible to filter out of the server stats.



AltaBrwnSgr
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:44:05 AM

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Liz wrote:


I believe both myself and BiMale73 have covered this for you.

The impact of any automated hits is likely minuscule, and I'm sure impossible to filter out of the server stats.


Lol. Okay, Liz. Thank you. He didn't say that the hits were minuscule, but I got my answer. Thanks again.

noll
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Lol. Okay, Liz. Thank you. He didn't say that the hits were minuscule, but I got my answer. Thanks again.


Even that can be hard to measure. But in case of Lush, with its many users, it's safe to say that it is indeed miniscule. For my own unmaintained website the majority of visits probably are bots and crawlers Embarassed

AltaBrwnSgr
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BiMale73 wrote:


Even that can be hard to measure. But in case of Lush, with its many users, it's safe to say that it is indeed miniscule. For my own unmaintained website the majority of visits probably are bots and crawlers Embarassed


Thanks for the clarification!

Liz, and BiMale73, thanks for the healthy discussion. I learned a lot!

TxPrincess
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Liz wrote:


I tested this myself and it logged me out fine. Not sure why it would still show him in the room if he navigates out.

Possibly a cache issue.

Opening any other pages in a new tab solves his problem though :)


This happens alot on mobile devises and in the instance that the room got full as you were entering.....for example if there is 24 member in there and 2 try at the same time, the count moves to 26 you are in there (well it says so) and you have a blue chat room that looks half loaded and you can do or see nothing. you have to refresh and basically wait till the people leave.

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TxPrincess wrote:
This happens alot on mobile devises and in the instance that the room got full as you were entering.....for example if there is 24 member in there and 2 try at the same time, the count moves to 26 you are in there (well it says so) and you have a blue chat room that looks half loaded and you can do or see nothing. you have to refresh and basically wait till the people leave.


Sounds like a race condition.

fantasylady
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I had a quick scroll through the previous sixty nine pages and couldn't see this query.

Would it be possible to be able to open another tab (or window) from Lush, like the one that opens when you add to your reading queue?

This is really useful if you open a message from someone and want to see their profile at the same time without losing the mail.

Of course we can still open two tabs from our browsers, but it is time comsuming and I don't always remember.

Thanks

Abi
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Jayne33 wrote:


I've just noticed it as well and really like the idea. It's a great way to be able to say thank you for commenting.


I have to respectfully disagree. I think it's a lazy way to say thank you for a comment. If someone takes the time to not only read a story but also leave a thoughtful comment, I think a little more effort than a mouse click is in order - a brief message, a profile page post, even a black box. I suppose we all have our own ideas about what constitutes good manners, and I realize that I'm probably in the minority on this one, but when I receive my own words back by way of thanks I can't help wondering why the sender even bothered. I don't always get around to it as quickly as I should, and I'm sure I've dropped the ball a few times, but I do feel it's important to let my readers know I appreciate them. I've met some interesting people in the process. By the way, the Timeline makes it really easy to keep track of those kinds of things when I do fall behind. Anyway, just my two cents.
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fantasylady wrote:
Would it be possible to be able to open another tab (or window) from Lush, like the one that opens when you add to your reading queue?

This is really useful if you open a message from someone and want to see their profile at the same time without losing the mail.

Of course we can still open two tabs from our browsers, but it is time comsuming and I don't always remember.


Open link in a new tab:
Windows: CTRL + click on link
OS X: CMD + click on link
Or you can use the option in the context menu (right click on link)

The thing is: sometimes you will want this, other times not, some users want this, others not. Given the options above, each user can open any link the way (s)he wants.

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Tashtego wrote:


I have to respectfully disagree. I think it's a lazy way to say thank you for a comment. If someone takes the time to not only read a story but also leave a thoughtful comment, I think a little more effort than a mouse click is in order - a brief message, a profile page post, even a black box. I suppose we all have our own ideas about what constitutes good manners, and I realize that I'm probably in the minority on this one, but when I receive my own words back by way of thanks I can't help wondering why the sender even bothered. I don't always get around to it as quickly as I should, and I'm sure I've dropped the ball a few times, but I do feel it's important to let my readers know I appreciate them. I've met some interesting people in the process. By the way, the Timeline makes it really easy to keep track of those kinds of things when I do fall behind. Anyway, just my two cents.



I probably wasn't very clear with my last post, so I can understand you disagreeing with me. What I should have said is I think it's a great way for authors who didn't thank readers to start doing so and making it easier for them.

If you've ever scored, or commented on one of my stories you will know that I take a lot of time to search for a picture that captures the feel of my story and turn it into a thank you note. I also private message every reader that isn't on my friends list and take the time to thank them personally. I also do this for any new followers.

I understand that this isn't for everyone and most don't have the time to go to such lengths to show appreciation for their readers. That is why I think the new option is a great addition.



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fantasylady
Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:30:41 AM

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BiMale73 wrote:


Open link in a new tab:
Windows: CTRL + click on link
OS X: CMD + click on link
Or you can use the option in the context menu (right click on link)

The thing is: sometimes you will want this, other times not, some users want this, others not. Given the options above, each user can open any link the way (s)he wants.


Hi BiMale73,

Please excuse my ignorance, but what link should I click on and where is it?

Thanks

Abi
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fantasylady wrote:

Hi BiMale73,

Please excuse my ignorance, but what link should I click on and where is it?

Thanks

Abi


You can use those keyboard shortcuts on any link that you would like to open in a new tab.

For instance, if you are looking at this page and wished to check your messages without closing this page down, you can hold down on your keyboard either CTRL or CMD (depending on your operating system) and then click the message icon on the top bar.

This will work with any link.



fantasylady
Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2014 4:13:21 AM

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Liz wrote:


You can use those keyboard shortcuts on any link that you would like to open in a new tab.

For instance, if you are looking at this page and wished to check your messages without closing this page down, you can hold down on your keyboard either CTRL or CMD (depending on your operating system) and then click the message icon on the top bar.

This will work with any link.


Wow! Thank you
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fantasylady wrote:
Wow! Thank you


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